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20 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I kinda feel for Dak this year. Cowboys are basically asking him to be perfect every week to have a chance to win. 

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Just after the game last night an acquaintance called me to complain about Dak's play. He also said he was "impressed" by "how well" the Cowboys defense played to "keep them in the game." There are some fans that will blame Dak for everything.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

Just after the game last night an acquaintance called me to complain about Dak's play. He also said he was "impressed" by "how well" the Cowboys defense played to "keep them in the game." There are some fans that will blame Dak for everything.

 

 

That guy should not be allowed to discuss football ever again. 

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The cowboys need to lose enough games in order to be able to draft Caleb Downs.  They need help everywhere on defense, but a safety who doesn't suck complete ass would be neat.

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10 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Dak played well last night. Extremely well. 

Dak has not always played this well over his career. Particularly in big moments 

Both things can be true. 

I will say Schott has the running game going decent.  Dak(ask with most QB's) needs that, and more than ever now, since his mobility is below average for an NFL QB now.  He's very good when he has that. Whether the O can drag this defense to anything more than 7 wins remains to be seen.

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9 hours ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You want a good quarterback. I want a great one. A great QB does not throw the fucking ball away when the game is on the line and all he's risking is a fucking sack and an easy three. Ever heard of scrambling? Some do it quite successfully. In fact Dak's had his moments with it. You don't go thru your progressions and throw it away. Maybe a quick scramble gives you an extra second or two for a receiver to open up. Maybe you see a line to the end zone. Just don't make any mistakes, and worst case scenario, you get the three. That's what championship QBs do.

Dak can't be relied upon to make the big play when it really counts.

 

He LITERALLY did that MULTIPLE times in that game. And against the Eagles and against the Giants.

What you want is fucking perfection, or a guy who can somehow make the dysfunctional Cowboys team a SB winner the last decade.  

NO QB is doing that. Not Brady. Not Mahome. Not prime Peyton Manning.  And damned sure no other QB in this league right now.

What I do believe is insert Dak on any SB contender the last decade and they'd still be just as good, if not better in some cases.

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3 hours ago, dcar00 said:

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As good as Romo was in those 8-8 years, he didn't truly become completely at ease with running an offense until 2014. He said so himself, that that was the year where it all "slowed down" for him. He really felt he knew what was going on at all times.

Dak is there now.  No that doesn't mean he's the elite of elites, but he's better than "just a good QB"

What he does for this team, at the podium, with all the fucking circus he has to deal with in the most high profile and unforgiving position in all of sports should be applauded. Not trashed.

1 hour ago, tokamak said:

SIAP, this is an insane stat

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Thanks a lot Offense...

53 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Dak played well last night. Extremely well. 

Dak has not always played this well over his career. Particularly in big moments 

Both things can be true. 

That's the rubs...he shows up FAR more than he doesn't and they lose for whatever reason. 

The issue is that most people think the only BIG moments are ones he fails in and ignores the big moments he does show up, like they weren't big.

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Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs. Never once losing to the team who went on to win the Super Bowl.  In those seven games he has averaged 280 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT. 
 

Like it or not @Drew those 7 games are the only big moments that really matter. 

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I do chuckle with the STFU Drew comments here, but Dak played as close to great as you can last night, especially considering no Ceedee. You can't expect Turpin to do that every night though. I think GB may have been more than a Micah away from a championship 

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4 hours ago, dcar00 said:

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Probably why they have such similar stats and effectiveness throughout their careers.  In short, Jerry has wasted about 2 decades of winning the QB lottery - UDFA and 4th round.  Think about if we hadn't lucked into both?  And we were marching never will's like Drew Hensen and Quincy Carter out there along with over the hill guys like Drew Bledsoe or Randall Cunningham's of once great players who were just trying to hang around the league.  We'd probably be starting Joe Flacco right now.

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Our issues right now (outside of the Jones virus) and that need to be addressed next year is that we have no game changers in the front 7 outside of Overshown. Hopefully he can be back to his old self by 26  I think this is still a 6-7 win team. Hopefully that puts us in play for someone like Ant Hill next year and a DE.  From what I saw it's was Donovan Ezeiruaku's best game. Hopefully that something you can build up on.  

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32 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs. Never once losing to the team who went on to win the Super Bowl.  In those seven games he has averaged 280 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT. 
 

Like it or not @Drew those 7 games are the only big moments that really matter. 

Only for football morons.  Football is a team game and while QBs are generally the most important positional group on the field, this isn't like a starting pitcher or hockey goalie situation where basically one great guy can carry teams.  Dak has had some good games and some poor games in the playoffs, but for the most part, it paints the picture of a good QB, who has played pretty well for the most part.  The Niners games maybe him being guilty of being below average and those were on the road against the #1 defense in the NFL one year and a top 3 in total defense in the NFL the other.  Hardly chumps.  In his losses, the defense averaged 31 points given up so basically he needed to score 32 points in his losses, that's higher than most #1 offenses in the regular season, so it also shows the level of defense being played particularly at home.  

You know who else averaged about 280 yards and 2 TDs and 1 INT in their playoff games (Dak at 92 QRtg) -- Tom Brady (279 yds, 1.8 TDs, .8 Ints with a 90 QRtg).  Am I arguing that Dak Prescott is as good as Tom Brady?  Of course not, not even a little, but it's always interesting contextually to understand how much winning championships or playoff or even regular season is a team success metric.  Football is probably the most team oriented major sport in the playoffs and while Dak had a chance in SF, he generally has had his defense fail him in the playoffs.  This year looks no better...... Jerrah has failed this fanbase and organization year after year after -- mostly with Romo and Dak playing QB, but make no mistake (not calling you out, general comment) winning ships isn't on one guy, that's elementary analysis.

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49 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

I do chuckle with the STFU Drew comments here, but Dak played as close to great as you can last night, especially considering no Ceedee. You can't expect Turpin to do that every night though. I think GB may have been more than a Micah away from a championship 

I thought once they settled down the o line did a helluva job last night against a strong Packer front 7.  They did that down 2 ol starters.  

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57 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Probably why they have such similar stats and effectiveness throughout their careers.  In short, Jerry has wasted about 2 decades of winning the QB lottery - UDFA and 4th round.  Think about if we hadn't lucked into both?  And we were marching never will's like Drew Hensen and Quincy Carter out there along with over the hill guys like Drew Bledsoe or Randall Cunningham's of once great players who were just trying to hang around the league.  We'd probably be starting Joe Flacco right now.

agreed.  I will say this though, in Dak's 10 years he's had 5 D's in the top 10 in points.  Romo's 10 years, exactly 1, #2 2009(they were usually mid teens or lower).  I realize points isn't the be all end all for a defense but it shows you generally what Romo was dealing with.  Dak's had to deal with it also but not nearly as much as Romo, IMO.

They both seem to lack the "truly clutch" gene where they can overcome Jerruh's stupidity as it relates to D.  they have had clutch moments but in the biggest games it just didn't happen.

for comparison, 1991-1999, Aikman had a top 5 D in points, 7 out of 9 years.

TLDR: Defense wins championships, Defense with very good offense beats the Bills 52-17.

 

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8 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs. Never once losing to the team who went on to win the Super Bowl.  In those seven games he has averaged 280 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT. 
 

Like it or not @Drew those 7 games are the only big moments that really matter. 

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For the absolute dogshit sandwhich that is Dallas. Dak played closed to perfect.  We have the number 1 offsensw and number 32 defense. We are fucked super fucked.  But it is what it is. Maybe we can draft a decent defense. Doubtful 

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8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Only for football morons.  Football is a team game and while QBs are generally the most important positional group on the field, this isn't like a starting pitcher or hockey goalie situation where basically one great guy can carry teams.  Dak has had some good games and some poor games in the playoffs, but for the most part, it paints the picture of a good QB, who has played pretty well for the most part.  The Niners games maybe him being guilty of being below average and those were on the road against the #1 defense in the NFL one year and a top 3 in total defense in the NFL the other.  Hardly chumps.  In his losses, the defense averaged 31 points given up so basically he needed to score 32 points in his losses, that's higher than most #1 offenses in the regular season, so it also shows the level of defense being played particularly at home.  

You know who else averaged about 280 yards and 2 TDs and 1 INT in their playoff games (Dak at 92 QRtg) -- Tom Brady (279 yds, 1.8 TDs, .8 Ints with a 90 QRtg).  Am I arguing that Dak Prescott is as good as Tom Brady?  Of course not, not even a little, but it's always interesting contextually to understand how much winning championships or playoff or even regular season is a team success metric.  Football is probably the most team oriented major sport in the playoffs and while Dak had a chance in SF, he generally has had his defense fail him in the playoffs.  This year looks no better...... Jerrah has failed this fanbase and organization year after year after -- mostly with Romo and Dak playing QB, but make no mistake (not calling you out, general comment) winning ships isn't on one guy, that's elementary analysis.

That's a lot of words to say Dak is fine, he's an above-average QB.  NFL history is littered with above-average QBs.  Some 250ish QBs have at least one playoff start. 162 QBs have at least one playoff win.  Dak is firmly in that company.  Whether you like it or not QBs of the modern era are generally judged by their success in guiding their team through the playoffs as both the QB and the de facto leader of the team.  

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22 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs. Never once losing to the team who went on to win the Super Bowl.  In those seven games he has averaged 280 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT. 
 

Like it or not @Drew those 7 games are the only big moments that really matter. 

"the only gams that matter" is so belittling. There are 17 games a year now and only 1 team wins the SB.  that's all anyone wants, and it's an impossible standard.

Also wins are a TEAM stat not a QB stat.  When you savants figure that out, you'll understand football better.

21 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Only for football morons.  Football is a team game and while QBs are generally the most important positional group on the field, this isn't like a starting pitcher or hockey goalie situation where basically one great guy can carry teams.  Dak has had some good games and some poor games in the playoffs, but for the most part, it paints the picture of a good QB, who has played pretty well for the most part.  The Niners games maybe him being guilty of being below average and those were on the road against the #1 defense in the NFL one year and a top 3 in total defense in the NFL the other.  Hardly chumps.  In his losses, the defense averaged 31 points given up so basically he needed to score 32 points in his losses, that's higher than most #1 offenses in the regular season, so it also shows the level of defense being played particularly at home.  

You know who else averaged about 280 yards and 2 TDs and 1 INT in their playoff games (Dak at 92 QRtg) -- Tom Brady (279 yds, 1.8 TDs, .8 Ints with a 90 QRtg).  Am I arguing that Dak Prescott is as good as Tom Brady?  Of course not, not even a little, but it's always interesting contextually to understand how much winning championships or playoff or even regular season is a team success metric.  Football is probably the most team oriented major sport in the playoffs and while Dak had a chance in SF, he generally has had his defense fail him in the playoffs.  This year looks no better...... Jerrah has failed this fanbase and organization year after year after -- mostly with Romo and Dak playing QB, but make no mistake (not calling you out, general comment) winning ships isn't on one guy, that's elementary analysis.

Exactly.  Not even I would say he's Brady, or Mahomes, or hell even Allen or Herbert(who probably is close to Dak than people will admit).  But he's good.

21 hours ago, dcar00 said:

agreed.  I will say this though, in Dak's 10 years he's had 5 D's in the top 10 in points.  Romo's 10 years, exactly 1, #2 2009(they were usually mid teens or lower).  I realize points isn't the be all end all for a defense but it shows you generally what Romo was dealing with.  Dak's had to deal with it also but not nearly as much as Romo, IMO.

They both seem to lack the "truly clutch" gene where they can overcome Jerruh's stupidity as it relates to D.  they have had clutch moments but in the biggest games it just didn't happen.

for comparison, 1991-1999, Aikman had a top 5 D in points, 7 out of 9 years.

TLDR: Defense wins championships, Defense with very good offense beats the Bills 52-17.

 

This is where context matters. All those "great" Micah defenses feasted on Bad teams, horrible QB's/OL's and couldn't do shit against real teams(49rs/Packers) and always looked worn down or mediocre come December every fucking year.

We all saw it, all commented on it...but yet we still use the "he had a top 10 defense" without using the nuance of context. Plus his OL's have never been great since 2016.  Average to below average ever since, including now.

19 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I'd like to add that it is a fucking crime that Darren Woodson isn't in the Hall of Fame.

This is a fucking crime and should be corrected.

13 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

That's a lot of words to say Dak is fine, he's an above-average QB.  NFL history is littered with above-average QBs.  Some 250ish QBs have at least one playoff start. 162 QBs have at least one playoff win.  Dak is firmly in that company.  Whether you like it or not QBs of the modern era are generally judged by their success in guiding their team through the playoffs as both the QB and the de facto leader of the team.  

He's better than Above average and if you weren't so stuck in "durrr what's he one in the playoffs tho?!?!" and opened your eyes and turned off your bias agaisnt him you'd seen it.

He may not be "Elite" but he's damned good.

and yes, I think it's fucking stupid to degrade an entire QB's reputation to how well his TEAM does in the playoffs.

We ALL know the issue is the Front office, the owner...always has been.

Yet some of you still lay 30+ years at the feet of the QB like he can change their entire cursed fortunes.

I still say Tom Brady isn't winning a SB here.  Manning, Rodgers, fucking Montana.  Aikmen isn't winning a title the last 20 plus years either.

But It would be safe to say drop Dak on any well run franchise and they've win at least one, maybe more.  San Fran over Purdy maybe they have 1 or 2?  Eagles over Hurts(he has 1 but they should have at least 2 or 3, I think Dak would have), Pittsburgh? Baltimore? Rams?  He wins with all those coaches and team without question in my mind.

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21 hours ago, dcar00 said:

agreed.  I will say this though, in Dak's 10 years he's had 5 D's in the top 10 in points.  Romo's 10 years, exactly 1, #2 2009(they were usually mid teens or lower).  I realize points isn't the be all end all for a defense but it shows you generally what Romo was dealing with.  Dak's had to deal with it also but not nearly as much as Romo, IMO.

They both seem to lack the "truly clutch" gene where they can overcome Jerruh's stupidity as it relates to D.  they have had clutch moments but in the biggest games it just didn't happen.

for comparison, 1991-1999, Aikman had a top 5 D in points, 7 out of 9 years.

TLDR: Defense wins championships, Defense with very good offense beats the Bills 52-17.

 

Those Romo defenses were exactly what so many say about Dak and Romo. Feast on bad teams during the season and fold when it matters. Those defenses were dogshit in the playoffs. All of our defenses since '95 have been dogshit in the playoffs.

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Those Romo defenses were exactly what so many say about Dak and Romo. Feast on bad teams during the season and fold when it matters. Those defenses were dogshit in the playoffs. All of our defenses since '95 have been dogshit in the playoffs.

it is still in comparison to all other D's in the league who also "feast on bad teams".  you and Drew act like it is just the Cowboys who "feast on bad teams". when Dak has a running game he's a top 10 QB in the league pretty consistently.  

Dak and Romo were and are QB's you can get to a Super Bowl with but you need a consistently very good D to get there because they tend to have a WTF game every so often.  they aren't going to Aaron Rodgers you to a super bowl win. check 2011 Green bay #1 in offensive points/#3 in yards, Defense #19 in points/#32 in yards.

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1 hour ago, Drew said:

 

I still say Tom Brady isn't winning a SB here.  Manning, Rodgers, fucking Montana.  Aikmen isn't winning a title the last 20 plus years either.

But It would be safe to say drop Dak on any well run franchise and they've win at least one, maybe more.  San Fran over Purdy maybe they have 1 or 2?  Eagles over Hurts(he has 1 but they should have at least 2 or 3, I think Dak would have), Pittsburgh? Baltimore? Rams?  He wins with all those coaches and team without question in my mind.

come on.  Prime Brady, Rodgers, Montana at least win a super bowl(and probably win) the last 20+ years here. not sure on Aikman/Manning but i'd say a 60-70% shot. They win because they were some of the most clutch QB's in the history of the sport.  Romo/Dak not so clutch.

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