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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

I took American novel before 1920 as an upper division English core curriculum class in the late 80s or early 90s. It was taught by a very masculine lesbian, and while we did read Melville’s Benito Cereno and of course Huck Finn, and I think one Jack London novel, everything else was from female authors like Edith Wharton, Kate Chopin, Willa Cather, Sarah Orne Jewett. etc. I never even thought about dropping it, much less complaining to anyone about her choice of representative reading (because I was not a titty baby snowflake, or moron)

I didn't take a lot of classes like that in the 2010s, because I was in CNS. But I took an American history class from the gilded age to Reagan and we read two books with different perspectives of American history and I found it quite insightful and I would have never read those two books without the class.  Even in my ethics class, I didn't see any religious people whining or crying because of a specific ethical framework that may favor their beliefs would probably not work for everyone in a diverse society.

In all of my schooling, I never felt like I was having someone's opinions pushed onto me. Even if they did, I'd like to believe I have the critical thinking skills for an university student to take my own stance on it.

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1 minute ago, txexlonghorn23 said:

In all of my schooling, I never felt like I was having someone's opinions pushed onto me.

This is almost never the case. It's just whiny ass snowflakes crying about having to hear opposing world views.

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22 minutes ago, txexlonghorn23 said:

In all of my schooling, I never felt like I was having someone's opinions pushed onto me.

No I clearly remember in molecular biology being told some BS about memory T cells “evolving” into a genetically distinct lineage from somatic cells. Pure d indoctrination IMO

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Lots of comments in this thread about how kids spend all their time online, have no face-to-face interactions, etc, and that's why they're intolerant of opposing viewpoints.   I'm not buying that premise for one second.  First, intolerance is nothing new, and if anything, the oldest members of our society are much more intolerant than the youth, just as it's always been.  We are an intolerant culture, and always have been.  If young people are doing it it's because they learned it from their elders.  One dipshit aggie kid who was clearly coached through her attack on a professor doesn't change this.    Kids spend significantly more time in an environment with people from diverse backgrounds, where they must learn to navigate challenging personalities and situations while discussing topics that are prone to being inflammatory, than the vast majority of adults do.   99% of adults are hiding in a bubble and rarely communicate with anyone face-to-face who isn't a coworker or a close friend, and that's only if they actually work outside of their home.  Even then, most companies tend to be filled with very similar people, because that's how hiring works.   Calling out the only segment of our society that actually has to deal with diversity daily rings hollow to me.

What's going on culturally with political correctness, cancel culture, whatever you want to call it, was not started by young people.  Some young people are influenced by intolerant adults, for sure.  The shouting down of speakers on college campuses rarely starts with a student movement.  This aggie nonsense was clearly not driven by that student, who could barely string a sentence together and thinks that the president has his own laws.  It's outsiders, whether parents, political activists, or just plain old shitheads, that stir up young people.  The mush brains that people under 25 are walking around with aren't coming up with a damn thing on their own outside of how to party and fuck, and even those things are being ruined by adult influence.

I do agree the Internet has made things worse, but there's a reason Facebook is the big gaping asshole of the Internet.  It's where all the old people are.

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Made the mistake of checking out the Texags thread on the firing, thinking there might be some pause about the long-term implications for the university of nakedly bending to political pressure and/or regret that the university president might get fired over a whiny snowflake.  Haha. No. Silly me. Everyone’s super excited about getting rid of all the libs (aka groomers) and instituting a Christian curriculum though.  Genuinely worse than I could have imagined.  

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4 minutes ago, EdTomBell said:

Made the mistake of checking out the Texags thread on the firing, thinking there might be some pause about the long-term implications for the university of nakedly bending to political pressure and/or regret that the university president might get fired over a whiny snowflake.  Haha. No. Silly me. Everyone’s super excited about getting rid of all the libs (aka groomers) and instituting a Christian curriculum though.  Genuinely worse than I could have imagined.  

Yup....I peeked over there yesterday.  It's a shit show.  The /r/aggies subreddit is more open minded though and they are having better conversations about it.

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7 minutes ago, EdTomBell said:

Made the mistake of checking out the Texags thread on the firing, thinking there might be some pause about the long-term implications for the university of nakedly bending to political pressure and/or regret that the university president might get fired over a whiny snowflake.  Haha. No. Silly me. Everyone’s super excited about getting rid of all the libs (aka groomers) and instituting a Christian curriculum though.  Genuinely worse than I could have imagined.  

 

1 minute ago, speed817 said:

Yup....I peeked over there yesterday.  It's a shit show.  The /r/aggies subreddit is more open minded though and they are having better conversations about it.

i've middle school aged kids and i've already decided they can't go to aggy because of texags.  it is just such an indictment of their school that people can leave there and end up that uneducated.  i try to convince myself that it is just some fishbowl circlejerk not representative of the larger body but gotdam is it a lot of data points. 

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45 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is almost never the case. It's just whiny ass snowflakes crying about having to hear opposing world views.

Ugh, I miss the pre-social media days when you'd just scoff at your weird libertarian HS government teacher who also doubled as your driver's ed teacher.  Scoff, roll your eyes and tune out their weirdo shit. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Thread is a tad ironic given the violence an old person did today against someone who said things he didn't like.

That old dude was released and the suspect is still at large, according to the police

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Okay. Point still stands. Another non-Gen Z guy shot 2 Congress people in Minnesota that he was opposed to their beliefs, killing one. So while we decry the current generation and their intolerance, let's not forget who they're learning it from. 

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8 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

If a professor is told to teach evolution and not creation, but says fuck it, I’m teaching creation, then the professor is wrong. If they believe in creation, go find a school that allows that to be the content.

This school, in this course, says you can only teach 2 genders. Period. That’s it. Nothing more/less. The professor didn’t like/ageee with it. She can teach it and face consequences or she can find an institution that allows her to teach it.

The student, by all accounts, tools this through the appropriate channels. She was offered an A in the class. She didn’t want that. She wanted the content taught. The department continued to teach the content contrary to the school approved curriculum and has been fired.  

Gender is a social construct. There can be as many as a society would like to imagine. There are many cultures both now and in the past with three or more genders. This is a fact, it cannot be argued. 

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17 minutes ago, Bolero88 said:

Gender is a social construct. There can be as many as a society would like to imagine. There are many cultures both now and in the past with three or more genders. This is a fact, it cannot be argued. 

Our society had an election. As a result, at Texas A&M, there are only 2 genders. Period. It’s a fact. 

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6 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

The band and football team at my school refused to sing/play the schools song because they claimed it was racist. We don’t want their fee fees to get hurt. (Am I doing this right?). It’s crazy.

Racism has to do with power. Witch hunts over moral panics also have to do with power. Am I doing this right?

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Ok then.  I can clearly recall student protests from the left on various things that never amounted to anything, as well as the ones where student groups sponsoring controversial speakers canceled events.  I didn't recall any adverse administration action or certainly the federal government getting involved.
But I am old.  Shanty out front should have told you.
Nonetheless, that report indicates that external pressure from the right recently has accelerated, rather exponentially.
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Frank Erwin and Jay Hartzell seemed to survive just fine in spite of students opposing them.
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1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:

Our society had an election. As a result, at Texas A&M, there are only 2 genders. Period. It’s a fact. 

The world is much bigger, and better, than A&M. Thank God.  

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Have a spine? balls? You seem to have all of the answers and are so troubled by this (and many issues). Take all of the time and energy from these posts and go file a lawsuit and win some arguments. Otherwise, you are just a spineless, nutless poster like you claim others to be. Go do something.

Got it. You still don’t have even the basic courage to answer my question.
Answer it, snowflake coward. Can a teacher in Texas teach a novel that has a gay character?
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17 hours ago, mdmost said:

Okay. Point still stands. Another non-Gen Z guy shot 2 Congress people in Minnesota that he was opposed to their beliefs, killing one. So while we decry the current generation and their intolerance, let's not forget who they're learning it from. 

Well...new-shit-has-come-to-light-big-lebowski.

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15 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

Our society had an election. As a result, at Texas A&M, there are only 2 genders. Period. It’s a fact. 

Putting aside for a moment the idea that a president can issue binding orders on how many genders there are, since you seem to believe that is a valid executive function, you'd then agree that if a democratic president issued an EO that there are more than 2 genders, that is now the "law" and any attempts by conservative states to push back would be improper, and schools would be required to teach that?

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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Putting aside for a moment the idea that a president can issue binding orders on how many genders there are, since you seem to believe that is a valid executive function, you'd then agree that if a democratic president issued an EO that there are more than 2 genders, you would agree that that is now the "law" and any attempts by conservative states to push back would be improper, and schools would be required to teach that?

The EO says any institution accepting money from Federal government/State government has to follow the content of the EO.  Texas A&M falls into this.  This professor challenged this by pushing her view about genders.  There is a consequence to that.  If you think the employees of Texas A&M don't have to follow the EO, simply file a lawsuit in state or federal court and make the same arguments you are making here on Surly.  Posting them here isn't going to get you what you want.

The last President created the DEI EO and our society didn't agree with it. Specifically, the majority of Texas and Americans didn't accept it.  As someone pointed out earlier things like genders are determined by society.  Society (US and Texas) had a vote and this is what was decided.

The professor doesn't have to agree with it.  They can teach where their views/beliefs are aligned.   

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17 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

The EO says any institution accepting money from Federal government/State government has to follow the content of the EO.  Texas A&M falls into this.  This professor challenged this by pushing her view about genders.  There is a consequence to that.  If you think the employees of Texas A&M don't have to follow the EO, simply file a lawsuit in state or federal court and make the same arguments you are making here on Surly.  Posting them here isn't going to get you what you want.

The last President created the DEI EO and our society didn't agree with it. Specifically, the majority of Texas and Americans didn't accept it.  As someone pointed out earlier things like genders are determined by society.  Society (US and Texas) had a vote and this is what was decided.

The professor doesn't have to agree with it.  They can teach where their views/beliefs are aligned.   

Conservatism in a nutshell.

Rules for thee, not for me. Hilarious 

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22 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Conservatism in a nutshell.

Rules for thee, not for me. Hilarious 

Biden issued an EO mandating federal employees get a vaccine, whether the individual agreed with it or not. The consequence of not getting a vaccine was being fired.

Instead of coming on surly to complain they took their arguments to court and won and were reinstated. Politically, they did so in elections as well.

I don’t know what is hilarious about that, but conservatives have to live by the rules too. It wasn’t easy or painless to stand up for what they believe in, but they followed the rules and did. 

Foosters, you can do it too. Simply partner up with some likeminded folks or go alone, file a lawsuit, and get this changed.

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34 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Biden issued an EO mandating federal employees get a vaccine, whether the individual agreed with it or not. The consequence of not getting a vaccine was being fired.

Instead of coming on surly to complain they took their arguments to court and won and were reinstated. Politically, they did so in elections as well.

I don’t know what is hilarious about that, but conservatives have to live by the rules too. It wasn’t easy or painless to stand up for what they believe in, but they followed the rules and did. 

Foosters, you can do it too. Simply partner up with some likeminded folks or go alone, file a lawsuit, and get this changed.

Conservatives didn't go on the internet to complain? They just kept their heads down and quietly went to work on fighting the injustice?

A federal EO limited to federal employees is equivalent to an EO telling public school teachers what they can say in a classroom?

If you don't see the hilarity in the absurdity of your statements, I can't help you there.

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17 hours ago, Bolero88 said:

Gender is a social construct. There can be as many as a society would like to imagine. There are many cultures both now and in the past with three or more genders. This is a fact, it cannot be argued. 

thank you. said correctly, succinctly and perfectly.

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I'm less interested in this generation's perceived intolerance and more in what seems to be a generational embrace of "control and order" at an age range where typically the cohort is generally all about "freedom and fighting the man".  The preceding generations have issued a blueprint that they start pretty "liberal" and they end pretty "conservative" as they age....hell the Baby Boomers were hippies and free love and all that back in the 60s.  

I gotta think the control they grew up with from devices monitoring them as they slept as babies, helicopter parent syndrome, where all their battles were fought for them, the control of phones and reduced ventures into the outside world, the control they themselves have to exhibit when they do go into the outside world because something (a phone) is watching them, recording them all the time and mistakes of my generation's youth stayed local while theirs can be put on display for all the world to see, etc all have some part to play in why "control" feels more comfortable to this age group. 

That embrace probably only deepens with the Alphas.

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I’m tolerant of everyone but the Dutch. 😉 
 

I know that most of you mean well. 
 

but I swear to God y’all make marginalized groups or minorities sound like aggy for fuck’s sake. 

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