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4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

It sounds like you know the answer but you just don't want to believe it. We are currently in the "first they came for" phase. 

First they came for protestors in Portland

Will you speak out now even though you're not a protestor in Portland or a permanent resident in Miami? Or will you wait until there's nobody left to speak out for you. 

And keep in mind that the author of that poem wasn't just a guy asking questions and wondering how bad things were, he was actually a Nazi supporter at first. He actually thought what was happening was okay when they were in the phase we're in now. 

The point is that history is repeating itself. If you truly want answers to what is happening they were literally already published 80 years ago, you just have to honestly want to find them. 

Except it's a bunch of wish.com morons who are following a playbook that isn't working instead of creating the playbook. 

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3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

What exactly is “speaking out”?  I think a lot of people, myself included, are “speaking out”.  That shit isn’t working, and the next step involves a lot more risk.

 

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Except it's a bunch of wish.com morons who are following a playbook that isn't working instead of creating the playbook. 

I am speaking directly to a poster who hasn't yet accepted what is happening. I'm not talking to anybody else. 

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28 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

I am not predicting protests will be met with violence, but do think that scenario would change minds. turnip’s comment about the Austin protest was in response to the COA waiving fees.

ICE activities are where the provocation occurs. So far, like the protests, the resistance has been overwhelmingly non-violent. I think this country knows Republicans want violence, and that violence would only give Republicans an excuse to declare martial law under the insurrection act.

 

The No Kings protests appear to be gaining momentum, though, so maybe Republicans will make a mistake.

 

*** FAUX-KING’S THUGS S*CK SATAN’S C*CK ***

They have talking points and this will be used to invoke the insurrection act

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26 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

They have talking points and this will be used to invoke the insurrection act

You might be right. Maybe the public will accept that exercising the first amendment is insurrection. There is recent precedent the courts would step in, though, if the facts and the rhetoric are wildly divergent.

Give credit to the Portland protestors. When images and videos like these are the record, the argument we are in the middle of an insurrection becomes laughable, because violence is a necessary component of the definition.

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Edit to note that Pepe has come full circle.

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7 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

You might be right. Maybe the public will accept that exercising the first amendment is insurrection. There is recent precedent the courts would step in, though, if the facts and the rhetoric are wildly divergent.

Give credit to the Portland protestors. When images and videos like these are the record, the argument we are in the middle of an insurrection becomes laughable, because violence is a necessary component of the definition.

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The Delta Tau Chis may have been on to something.  Fight stupidity with....stupidity.

 

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1 hour ago, Ojo Rojo said:

I forgot where I was, momentarily. This is no place for civil discourse.  To be clear, though, I'm not downplaying anything and I'm not a moron.  I'm legitimately asking how bad is this, really, because I'm struggling to grasp the severity of what is happening.  I know it looks and seems very, very bad.  It may, in fact, be very, very bad.  If so and I'm ignoring something, then list it out. It's possible this is all just reality TV of a fake fascist takeover with the sole purpose of enriching and giving power and position to those who will stoop low enough to play along. I think almost all of this is leadup and, as someone upthread said, a test to see just how far they can go.  Oct. 18th may be the day when shit pops off.  I'll be closely watching.

Funny, when I corrected you earlier you called me deranged.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Funny, when I corrected you earlier you called me deranged.

You didn't correct shit. And you are deranged.

Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

Nah dude you are downplaying it and you are one of the people in the house or like the neighbor whos wondering wtf is going on at the dinner table next door when you ask that and see that maybe theres a nazi and so everyone at the table with the Nazis is included in the how many Nazis are at a table with one Nazi and 7 others 8 Nazis. You are the Nazi because you dared to look and see what kind of nazi shit may or may not be happening instead of burning down your house and shooting at them through the window. 

Dude, are you drunk for the OU game already? If so, respek.

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1 hour ago, Ojo Rojo said:

I forgot where I was, momentarily. This is no place for civil discourse.  To be clear, though, I'm not downplaying anything and I'm not a moron.  I'm legitimately asking how bad is this, really, because I'm struggling to grasp the severity of what is happening.  I know it looks and seems very, very bad.  It may, in fact, be very, very bad.  If so and I'm ignoring something, then list it out. It's possible this is all just reality TV of a fake fascist takeover with the sole purpose of enriching and giving power and position to those who will stoop low enough to play along. I think almost all of this is leadup and, as someone upthread said, a test to see just how far they can go.  Oct. 18th may be the day when shit pops off.  I'll be closely watching.

👇 Is this you?

18 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

You are a deranged asshole.  I don't know what your problem is, but you can take your lunatic rants and shove them up your ass.

 👇 Your response to this was a personal insult. Not once did he insult you. You didn't like him vehemently disagreeing with you, spelling out his arguments with direct responses to each of your arguments.

19 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

What the fuck are you talking about? Texas National Guard troops are there right now.

That's probably still the case today. There's no guarantee it'll still be the case six months from now.

It's four to six boats now. Yeah, this is the kind of thing that got us into WW1, but I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. It's just a fun little performance for TV, it's not like they're killing anyone who matters, right? Fucking lol at "someone should look into it."

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You have not one fucking clue how many citizens have been illegally arrested by ICE. You have no fucking idea how many people have been shot with various munitions by federal agents. 

How much longer are you going to downplay the severity of the harm he's doing and the danger he poses? You've been doing it since he was elected. What's it going to take to make you think "actually maybe I won't post like Neidermeyer"?

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13 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Dude, are you drunk for the OU game already? If so, respek.

Sarcasm. I think you are fine for asking, I think the overreaction is coming from people who want there to be extreme intolerance and outrage at anything that this administration does to move us towards tyranny or authoritarianism. That's a fine stance, but it's not a realistic stance.

Results matter more than feelings and the results are coming in daily and they are not good for the bad guys and while not great for the good guys overall not bad for the good guys. 

Jimmy Kimmel getting yoinked and then a bunch of idiots getting fucked into submission after the first overreaction - he's here to stay and not only that due to the Streisand effect had the biggest microphone in the world to talk about how important the first amendment in the US is. I watched the monologue, I've not watched Kimmel in who knows how long. My wife watched it, she's never watched. Everyone I know has seen it and agrees with it, vehemently.

It caused fractures even with the latched to the tit rank and files in the Republican Party. Miss me with this bullshit that the Kimmel thing didn't backfire in an incredibly bad way for the admin. 

It sucks that it happened, but we aren't WORSE for it after. 

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

👇 Is this you?

 👇 Your response to this was a personal insult. Not once did he insult you. You didn't like him vehemently disagreeing with you, spelling out his arguments with direct responses to each of your arguments.

We have history. Dude's got a hard on for me for some reason.

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2 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

I forgot where I was, momentarily. This is no place for civil discourse.  To be clear, though, I'm not downplaying anything and I'm not a moron.  I'm legitimately asking how bad is this, really, because I'm struggling to grasp the severity of what is happening.  I know it looks and seems very, very bad.  It may, in fact, be very, very bad.  If so and I'm ignoring something, then list it out. It's possible this is all just reality TV of a fake fascist takeover with the sole purpose of enriching and giving power and position to those who will stoop low enough to play along. I think almost all of this is leadup and, as someone upthread said, a test to see just how far they can go.  Oct. 18th may be the day when shit pops off.  I'll be closely watching.

I'd encourage you to take a look at what's known as NSPM-7, issued by the WH at the end of September, which indicates it's just getting started. It's a presidential directive to all federal policing agencies (FBI, NHS, DEA, Marshalls etc etc) about what to target in the upcoming years. A very fair interpretation is that they will be sorting through the names of Americans who fit a very wide profile but not anyone who's maga with the very same tracking tools - and from the very same office - as they track Muslim terrorists. 

 

 

First, here's The Onion, published Oct 7, with only a slightly sarcastic take on it but it should accurately give you the flavor: https://theonion.com/what-to-know-about-nspm-7/

On Sept. 25, President Trump issued a directive called National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 in which “anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity” were described as “common threads” of domestic terrorism. Here is everything you need to know about NSPM-7.

Q: What is NSPM-7?

A: A key term for future AP U.S. History students in the “Rise of Fascism” unit.

Q: How does the order define anti-American?

A: They can’t tell you. That would ruin the surprise.

Q: What is Trump’s plan for antifa?

A: He will create the organization, and then destroy it.

Q: Is this like that book Minority Report was based on?

A: We’d avoid referencing books from now on.

Q: Isn’t this a violation of the First Amendment?

A: That’s exactly the type of question the administration would love to talk to you about in a windowless room.

 

Here's some additional reading

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/secretive-watchlisting-center-executing

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-npsm-7-memo-crackdown-opposition-1235440530/

 

They are going to go after anyone they consider "the enemy within," as the president put it. They are effectively labeling speech and opposition to the government as terrorism and their efforts to root it out will be staffed by actual police using the highly capable tracking that has been used to track muslims deemed potential lone wolf terrorists.

Here's a bit of what Klippenstein published

 

NSPM-7 directs a new national strategy to “disrupt” any individual or groups “that foment political violence,” including “before they result in violent political acts.” 

In other words, they’re targeting pre-crime, to reference Minority Report.

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indicia” (indicators) of violence:

  • anti-Americanism,

  • anti-capitalism,

  • anti-Christianity,

  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,

  • extremism on migration,

  • extremism on race,

  • extremism on gender

  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,

  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and

  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

“The United States requires a national strategy to investigate and disrupt networks, entities, and organizations that foment political violence so that law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies before they result in violent political acts,” the directive states (emphasis mine).

A “pre-crime” endeavor, preventing attacks before they happen, is core to the post-9/11 concept of counterterrorism itself. No longer satisfied to investigate acts of terrorism after the fact to bring terrorists to justice, the Bush administration adopted preemption. Overseas, that led to aerial assassination by drones and “special operations” kill missions. Domestically, it led to a counter-terrorism campaign whose hallmark was excessive and illegal government surveillance and the use of undercover agents and “confidential human sources” to trap (and entrap) would-be terrorists.

Now, with Donald Trump’s directive retooling the counter-terror apparatus to go after Americans at home, this means monitoring political activity, or speech, as an investigative method to discover “radicalism.” (Contrary to other national security documents all during the post-Watergate era, NSPM-7 doesn’t even mention the First Amendment or the fundamental right of Americans to organize and protest.)

The focus on speech is evident throughout NSPM-7. The directive says that political violence is the result of “organized campaigns” that often begin (with the left) dehumanizing targets in “anonymous chat foras, in-person meetings, social media, and even educational institutions.”

To give a sense of how broad this formulation is, Trump’s earlier designation of Antifa as a domestic terrorist group was accompanied by a White House fact sheet singling out people who “celebrated” Luigi Mangione, the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last December. As I wrote at the time, this describes a lot of Americans!

 

 

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On 10/9/2025 at 8:50 AM, Captainant said:

Tell me you've never had to schedule a specialist appointment without telling me. American medicine through insurance companies is a worse experience by far. 

I don't know what your experience is with medicine here and medicine abroad but that statement is the complete opposite of my experience and the experiences of my family members.  And I'm one of the lucky ones - I'm English but have dual American citizenship.  So I have NHS when we go back and am also covered by our BCBS PPO plan.  

 

I was diagnosed with a rare disease 15 years ago that's seen me land in more doctors' offices than I care to remember, both here and abroad. The pathway to seeing a specialist here is simpler and so much faster than seeing a specialist in the UK. 

 

I would chalk it up to me having good luck here and bad luck there, but my family (who all still live in the UK) have worse stories about long wait times, convoluted processes, and inferior medical care. My BIL died under the knife during an outpatient surgery in London. 

 

You can talk about the role insurance plays here but when it comes to actual care  there's no better place in the world to be sick.

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2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

I don't know what your experience is with medicine here and medicine abroad but that statement is the complete opposite of my experience and the experiences of my family members.  And I'm one of the lucky ones - I'm English but have dual American citizenship.  So I have NHS when we go back and am also covered by our BCBS PPO plan.  

 

I was diagnosed with a rare disease 15 years ago that's seen me land in more doctors' offices than I care to remember, both here and abroad. The pathway to seeing a specialist here is simpler and so much faster than seeing a specialist in the UK. 

 

I would chalk it up to me having good luck here and bad luck there, but my family (who all still live in the UK) have worse stories about long wait times, convoluted processes, and inferior medical care. My BIL died under the knife during an outpatient surgery in London. 

 

You can talk about the role insurance plays here but when it comes to actual care  there's no better place in the world to be sick.

 

You can cite the British healthcare system as an argument against universal healthcare all day long, but you'd be citing the Western European country that does it the absolute worst. I've got personal experience with the French system (mostly private doctors, but with mostly public insurance), and it kicked all kinds of ass in my case.

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9 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

You can talk about the role insurance plays here but when it comes to actual care  there's no better place in the world to be sick.

*IF you have money and/or a health insurer willing to cooperate. See Luigi.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

The Delta Tau Chis may have been on to something.  Fight stupidity with....stupidity.

 

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I've said it before, I'll say it again....we wouldn't be in this fucking mess if Senator Blutarsky was still in office.

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21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

You can cite the British healthcare system as an argument against universal healthcare all day long, but you'd be citing the Western European country that does it the absolute worst. I've got personal experience with the French system (mostly private doctors, but with mostly public insurance), and it kicked all kinds of ass in my case.

I don't know much about their system in terms of care, but I do know the French have their own problems with public and private funding not unlike our system.  

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10 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

I don't know much about their system in terms of care, but I do know the French have their own problems with public and private funding not unlike our system.  

I will say this, at least the government is dealing with the funding problems instead of the people.

And, yes, I feel like the US does indeed have the best care, theoretically.  

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26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I will say this, at least the government is dealing with the funding problems instead of the people.

And, yes, I feel like the US does indeed have the best care, theoretically.  

among the best specialty care, specifically

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28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I will say this, at least the government is dealing with the funding problems instead of the people.

And, yes, I feel like the US does indeed have the best care, theoretically.  

I don't know if they are or not, I don't have any knowledge one way or the other.  Anecdotally, my wife's sister married into a French family - her father-in-law is a retired cardiologist and the past couple of times we've seen him he was vocal with his frustration about the haves (who have access to private health insurance) increasingly taking up the majority of his availability and crowding the have nots out. 

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9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

among the best specialty care, specifically

Very good point.

I recently learned that in the UK, most NHS doctors, which are GP/PCP types, and some broad specialists, are paid under $200k, typically well under.

But the real specialists are called "consultants" or "consultant physicians" and get paid mostly equivalently to their US counterparts, including by private pay.  There are a lot of rich fuckers in England.

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12 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Not when all those dirty foreign doctor criminals are deported.

And when medical schools can only teach treatments listed in the bible.



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