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DT/NT. Yup. I said it. 

They stuff the run game. They clog the middle. They reduce the time DB’s have to cover. They make it easier for LB’s to shoot gaps. They are important on every single play. They charge the entire complexion of a defense. 

Think back to some of the best Texas teams and they usually had strong NT/DT’s, often NFL quality. 

Now look at this year’s Texas team. Good NT/DT play, but not elite, NFL quality. And as a result, Texas isn’t elite.   

I’d put more NIL money on DT’s in the future if we aren’t getting the best available. 

Any other position worthy of mention?

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DT was my first thought as well; followed closely by center. Someone that can make the correct line calls and keep DTs out of the QB’s lap is critical to consistent offensive success.

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An interesting take, for sure.

This year, we lost 4 DL in the portal and brought in 5. Has anyone bothered to compare the stats of our losses vs additions? 

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An elite DT is high value but you can scheme better to make-up for them to stop the run. You can’t as easily find a scheme to make up for no pass rush or bad coverage without more weakness. An elite edge rusher who can get home when rushing 4 and shutdown corner who can take away an option means you can put more bodies on the run problem. 
 

So my vote is pass rusher, CB, then OT. Serviceable at DT will be OK. 

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I put the LT above a NG or DT. Probably an edge rusher over a NG or DT.  

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In the NFL it is QB, QB, QB, QB, LT

But in college it is QB, C, MLB aka all the brain positions that can tell other players where to line up.

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LT has a strong argument given it protects most QB’s. 

I used to think Edge, but they aren’t involved in a lot of plays, so I discounted that. 

Shutdown CB has an argument, but I can only think of maybe a dozen ever who were so good they shut down half the field. So, that’s trying to find a unicorn like Deion. 

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The reality of the modern game in both the NFL and college is you are going nowhere fast if you can't produce from the QB position. You can find teams with generational talents on the defensive line at both the DT and DE position (hello Myles Garrett) that don't win at the level that a good but not great QB would give you. So I would argue that the most important position after QB is not a position, but a unit: the offensive line. 

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Short while back, LT was mentioned as the highest paid NFL position. That says a lot, including importance and scarcity. We've done well there lately.

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The Cowboys operated with a "defensive tackle isnt that important" mentality for the last however many years since they went back to 4-3. Even when the defense was decent they would falter when it counted. 

Acquiring Quinnen Williams looks pretty good right now 

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7 minutes ago, naija said:

The reality of the modern game in both the NFL and college is you are going nowhere fast if you can't produce from the QB position. You can find teams with generational talents on the defensive line at both the DT and DE position (hello Myles Garrett) that don't win at the level that a good but not great QB would give you. So I would argue that the most important position after QB is not a position, but a unit: the offensive line. 

If we are going to talk unit’s I’d argue that a truly great OL is what I’d build my team around before even QB. Then QB and DL. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

An elite DT is high value but you can scheme better to make-up for them to stop the run. You can’t as easily find a scheme to make up for no pass rush or bad coverage without more weakness. An elite edge rusher who can get home when rushing 4 and shutdown corner who can take away an option means you can put more bodies on the run problem. 
 

So my vote is pass rusher, CB, then OT. Serviceable at DT will be OK. 

DT that can stop the run and rush the passer is a massive value. Only issue is a DT with passing rushing ability is a unicorn.  If you have a bad DTs your defense is just dead. Having athletic DTs and DT depth is the difference from the haves and have nots in college football. You can deal with outside pressure as QB but it is near impossible to deal with inside pressure, ask Arch and Stroh. 

I think CB is over-rated. Smart offenses will find the weak link in the secondary. Manny isn’t Deion, but teams choose to attack elsewhere consistently vs Texas 

Edge is up there, but you have to get to pass situations for that to matter. You can manufacture pressure with movement

LT is way more important in the NFL, than college 

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

DT/NT. Yup. I said it. 

They stuff the run game. They clog the middle. They reduce the time DB’s have to cover. They make it easier for LB’s to shoot gaps. They are important on every single play. They charge the entire complexion of a defense. 

Think back to some of the best Texas teams and they usually had strong NT/DT’s, often NFL quality. 

Now look at this year’s Texas team. Good NT/DT play, but not elite, NFL quality. And as a result, Texas isn’t elite.   

I’d put more NIL money on DT’s in the future if we aren’t getting the best available. 

Any other position worthy of mention?

It’s LT (or whichever protects the QB’s blind side) but for a 3-4 defense to work a stud NG is mandatory. 

Thats why Casey Hampton is in the Steelers Hall of Honor and on their all time team.

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3 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Yes, with the internet thing getting so big, it's all about the online.

I need to introduce him to my uncle that buys his new shorts on “The EBay”  at the next tailgate… and by “new shorts” I mean the last person on earth that still has a couple of boxes of OP corduroy shorts from the 80s. He had to get rid of that IROC though because he doesn’t see so well at night anymore.

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

DT/NT. Yup. I said it. 

They stuff the run game. They clog the middle. They reduce the time DB’s have to cover. They make it easier for LB’s to shoot gaps. They are important on every single play. They charge the entire complexion of a defense. 

Think back to some of the best Texas teams and they usually had strong NT/DT’s, often NFL quality. 

Now look at this year’s Texas team. Good NT/DT play, but not elite, NFL quality. And as a result, Texas isn’t elite.   

I’d put more NIL money on DT’s in the future if we aren’t getting the best available. 

Any other position worthy of mention?

I don’t you think you can go wrong here. CB, you can easily go away from them.  Wr can reasonably be taken away.

Your LBs are not doing a damn thing if they can’t flow freely.   With Texas this year, you’ve seen a great example of what interior pressure can do to a QB.  Aaron Donald and Chris Jones   You win upfront.  Georgia, Alabama have been very good here and notice the results.

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16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

If we are going to talk unit’s I’d argue that a truly great OL is what I’d build my team around before even QB. Then QB and DL. 

Would you like to coach the University of Texas?

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The interiors are the most important in college.  Play in and play out the game is won on who can either push their line forward on running plays and create/collapse a pocket on passing plays.

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A player like  Aaron Donald is of course invaluable and that’s why he may be the GOAT NFL defender. We also gotta define our terms: a truly bad interior DL that gets rolled is a tremendous liability that can’t get schemed out of. I am thinking more of the delta between good/really good/great and value. 
 

I think some are underselling the value of combining a pass rusher who can get home out of a base defense with a CB who can be left in man against WR1. They are impacting the game when they aren’t involved in plays. If you can do that you’re a long way towards eliminating game-breaking downfield plays on 1st and 2nd down and limiting what you have to scheme against. They are generating TOs and negative plays and making it easy to get off the field in 3rd down. They turn good offenses into pedestrian offenses by virtue of the plays that aren’t attempted.

And of course— if the other areas on the field are Browns-level inept, you still won’t win. But if the rest of the D is “good enough,” you’re scary. 

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1 hour ago, naija said:

The reality of the modern game in both the NFL and college is you are going nowhere fast if you can't produce from the QB position. You can find teams with generational talents on the defensive line at both the DT and DE position (hello Myles Garrett) that don't win at the level that a good but not great QB would give you. So I would argue that the most important position after QB is not a position, but a unit: the offensive line. 

You’re answering a different question. 

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