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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26024501/predicting-nba-superstar-moves-kd-kyrie-ad-kawhi

ESPN polled their NBA writers last week to see where they predicted the big name free agents land.  2/3rds of them had KD leaving Golden State (I tend to agree).  Yet, 75% still picked the Warriors to be the favorites at the beginning of next season.  That surprised the hell out of to me.  Yeah, we saw Steph, Klay, Dray, and a bunch of mostly junk reel off like 14 straight to end the season two years ago with KD out (after initially looking lost without him).  But Dray will be 3 years older by next season, and the junk is probably even junkier today, with no real avenues to add any pieces, even without KD's salary on the books.  Iggy is having a great year relative to what we've come to expect from his regular season (i.e. the rest before the playoffs), but good luck if they actually have to depend on him full time again.

I guess Golden State is the safe, known commodity today with all the uncertainty in Boston, Philly, LA, Toronto, CP3's health...shit, even Milwaukee is going to have to decide if they want to essentially max out their cap for Khris Middleton and Eric Bledsoe.  But I doubt they'll be the Vegas pick come October.  Among the favorites, sure, but not the odds-on favorite.

I think it's more about what you said.... it's a known commodity.  They're also working off a bunch of assumptions, that Philly can't get Butler to commit to re-sign (My lord that deal looks bad then).  That KD goes to the Knicks, who won't be ready.  Kyrie stays in Boston.  Kawhi goes to the Clippers, etc, etc.  Thereby no team is filled out and other teams get good but not great.  They have KD going to the Knicks with nobody else.  Hmmm....  At least with the W's, you know they'll have Green, Curry, and Klay and then however they replace KD (in a scenario where he leaves), but what other team do you know what they'll look like?  Utah, Houston and Denver?  Maybe Milwaukee but they have a ton of free agents up.  Toronto would be gutted.  Houston is getting old.  We have no idea on the Lakers beyond Boodie with those situations.  So, while those assumptions may turn out to be likely, if the Warriors are going to lose KD, that's like a best case scenario....

 

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I have not really watched closely yet this season but I have noticed that there seems to be a big swing in how LeBron is now covered. He is getting a lot of criticism, something that didn't really happen before.
Do any of you also see this shift?
Yup. The Lakers have a enormous amount of sports writers and media types as fans. The pissy passive aggressive comments from Lebron this season are nothing new for him, it's just that nobody really cared all that much when he was in Cleveland. LA sports people are calling him out, and he's under the most scrutiny of his career because he went to the biggest stage possible. He can't go on vacation for a few weeks, lob bombs on Twitter and come back like nothing was wrong. He will continue to get called out on his behavior so long as he stays in LA. There are too many voices to try to control there, and they don't feel obligated to keep him personally happy like the Cavs did.
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I like how people act like Lebron ruined the Lakers lmao. How many seasons below .500 and no playoffs have they endured? 5 or 6? Lebron had them in the top 4 of the West before his injury. But yes, it's all his fault. Let's overlook Magic trading away Russell and building a junk roster with no real future as constructed. 

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I like how people act like Lebron ruined the Lakers lmao. How many seasons below .500 and no playoffs have they endured? 5 or 6? Lebron had them in the top 4 of the West before his injury. But yes, it's all his fault. Let's overlook Magic trading away Russell and building a junk roster with no real future as constructed. 
That's a completely different conversation that no one is talking about. Lebron criticizes teammates for lack of effort, while clearly lacking it himself. He gets highlighted for this by the media and then changes his tune. Never happened in Cleveland
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5 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

I like how people act like Lebron ruined the Lakers lmao. How many seasons below .500 and no playoffs have they endured? 5 or 6? Lebron had them in the top 4 of the West before his injury. But yes, it's all his fault. Let's overlook Magic trading away Russell and building a junk roster with no real future as constructed. 

Are these "people" just the voices inside your head?

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Pretty stupid data set to use considering Kyrie has played more than just the last six games and the full season stats paint a different story entirely 

what's the fun in that?

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Reposting this. Can we stop redoing this argument every 3 pages.

lol, sorry bro, i was honestly just dropping that in there to stir the pot and revive the argument out of sheer boredom. i don't have a strong opinion on the issue either way because i don't follow them closely enough to have one. that said i have been on record for a long time as being one who doesn't understand the perpetual overrating of Kyrie/the people who swear he's a "great", or even top 10 player in the league. MEH. He's a very talented player, a super questionable teammate, and an enigma; and, i like watching you guys argue about him, lol. I wouldn't want any team i root for to employ him, that's for sure. 

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I agree that he is overrated. He doesn’t make my top ten players in the league but he is somewhere 11-15. Hes a consistent All-NBA caliber player. I’m like you in that if I was a GM I would try to build around someone else. I think he’s too ball dominant and I don’t think he’s learned to lead yet. However the idea that the Celtics are better without him is simply untrue and even a simple look at the numbers shows that.

Luckily for me I don’t have a team rooting interest so I get to enjoy the drama that he brings wherever he goes and never have to worry about it being my problem.

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It's been mentioned the last few pages but can we collectively drop the Trae Young is overrated or will be a flop nonsense?  As mentioned earlier, some of the posts on the old page about this didn't age well.

He may be a notch below Luka but it's not like that trade was a bust.  The Hawks are trash and they needed players.  They got their PG for the next decade and a first round draft pick out of it.  For the month of January, Trae averaged 23/9 while shooting 43% from three.  Much like his time at OU, he's getting those assists on a garbage team.

Luka's mom is hot so there's that.

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Lebron is about 10 games away from missing the playoffs.  If the Lakers are still 4 or 5 games from the 8th spot, Lebron may be given a phantom injury to go fishing early.  It's a debacle.  A loss to Phoenix?  That's gross in a must win scenario.  Their offseason may be more fun than this season was.... fo sho.

 

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6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Lebron is about 10 games away from missing the playoffs.  If the Lakers are still 4 or 5 games from the 8th spot, Lebron may be given a phantom injury to go fishing early.  It's a debacle.  A loss to Phoenix?  That's gross in a must win scenario.  Their offseason may be more fun than this season was.... fo sho.

 

That's a shame.

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And worse yet, the advanced stats show Lebron is clearly showing he is finally in decline.

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS DWS WS WS/48   OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
2003-04 19 CLE NBA SG 79 3122 18.3 .488 .145 .308 3.5 11.8 7.6 27.8 2.2 1.3 13.9 28.2   2.4 2.6 5.1 .078   2.2 -0.2 1.9 3.1
2004-05 20 CLE NBA SF 80 3388 25.7 .554 .183 .378 3.8 17.0 10.2 32.9 2.8 1.1 11.8 29.7   9.7 4.6 14.3 .203   6.9 1.5 8.3 8.8
2005-06 21 CLE NBA SF 79 3361 28.1 .568 .208 .447 2.6 17.1 9.8 32.8 2.0 1.5 10.7 33.6   12.0 4.3 16.3 .232   7.9 1.4 9.3 9.5
2006-07 22 CLE NBA SF 78 3190 24.5 .552 .191 .432 3.0 16.6 9.6 29.1 2.1 1.3 11.5 31.0   8.0 5.7 13.7 .206   5.4 2.0 7.4 7.6
2007-08 23 CLE NBA SF 75 3027 29.1 .568 .219 .470 4.9 17.8 11.1 37.3 2.4 2.1 11.4 33.5   10.7 4.6 15.2 .242   9.0 2.3 11.2 10.1
2008-09 24 CLE NBA SF 81 3054 31.7 .591 .238 .472 4.3 19.0 11.9 38.0 2.4 2.4 11.0 33.8   13.7 6.5 20.3 .318   9.4 3.6 13.0 11.6
2009-10 25 CLE NBA SF 76 2966 31.1 .604 .253 .506 3.0 18.5 11.1 41.8 2.2 2.0 12.3 33.5   13.3 5.2 18.5 .299   9.7 2.8 12.5 10.9
2010-11 26 MIA NBA SF 79 3063 27.3 .594 .188 .446 3.3 18.7 11.4 34.9 2.1 1.3 13.8 31.5   10.3 5.3 15.6 .244   6.5 2.1 8.6 8.2
2011-12 27 MIA NBA SF 62 2326 30.7 .605 .127 .429 5.0 19.7 12.6 33.6 2.6 1.7 13.3 32.0   10.0 4.5 14.5 .298   8.3 2.7 11.0 7.6
2012-13 28 MIA NBA PF 76 2877 31.6 .640 .188 .395 4.4 20.8 13.1 36.4 2.4 1.9 12.4 30.2   14.6 4.7 19.3 .322   9.2 2.4 11.6 9.8
2013-14 29 MIA NBA PF 77 2902 29.3 .649 .226 .432 3.6 18.9 11.5 32.0 2.2 0.8 14.4 31.0   12.3 3.7 15.9 .264   8.0 0.9 8.9 8.0
2014-15 30 CLE NBA SF 69 2493 25.9 .577 .265 .413 2.4 16.6 9.6 38.6 2.3 1.6 15.3 32.3   7.4 2.9 10.4 .199   6.2 1.2 7.4 5.9
2015-16 31 CLE NBA SF 76 2709 27.5 .588 .199 .347 4.7 18.8 11.8 36.0 2.0 1.5 13.2 31.4   9.6 4.0 13.6 .242   6.9 2.3 9.1 7.6
2016-17 32 CLE NBA SF 74 2794 27.0 .619 .254 .395 4.0 20.7 12.6 41.3 1.6 1.3 16.1 30.0   9.8 3.0 12.9 .221   6.8 1.6 8.4 7.3
2017-18 33 CLE NBA PF 82 3026 28.6 .621 .257 .336 3.7 22.3 13.1 44.4 1.9 2.0 16.1 31.6   11.0 3.0 14.0 .221   7.6 2.0 9.6 8.9
2018-19 34 LAL NBA SF 45 1598 25.7 .593 .307 .390 3.1 21.6 12.6 37.3 1.8 1.4 13.2 30.6   4.1 2.2 6.3 .189   6.0 1.8 7.8 3.9
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19 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

Utah & DM has played quite well over the post few weeks, in most part due to Mitchell's play...

That and Utah's schedule transitioning from the toughest first half of the season to easiest in the 2nd half. The reverse Lakers' effect.

But Utah is very good. They're going to be a tough out for anyone who has to play them in the postseason.

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1 hour ago, BigOrange1 said:

it's almost as if spitting hot takes in november (around 15-20 games into the season) isn't super smart.

but gotlieb is a hack and has been for the past several years.  he's desperately trying to become the next skip bayless.

Would you say he’s stealing Skip’s schtick?

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

That and Utah's schedule transitioning from the toughest first half of the season to easiest in the 2nd half. The reverse Lakers' effect.

But Utah is very good. They're going to be a tough out for anyone who has to play them in the postseason.

The Thunder agree (I think)...

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And thus continues the Warriors' annual tradition of loading up on washed centers when they ideally don't even want one on the court for half the game in the playoffs.

Not really much else out there to fill a roster spot, though. My biggest problem with the Cousins' signing is that it depleted their entire MLE, which could have been used to entice mid-season buyouts...but Faried looks to be the only one who will have any real impact (sorry Pau). Pretty weak buyout market this year.

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14 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And thus continues the Warriors' annual tradition of loading up on washed centers when they ideally don't even want one on the court for half the game in the playoffs.

Not really much else out there to fill a roster spot, though. My biggest problem with the Cousins' signing is that it depleted their entire MLE, which could have been used to entice mid-season buyouts...but Faried looks to be the only one who will have any real impact (sorry Pau). Pretty weak buyout market this year.

I think GSW will survive.

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Just now, Vic Mackey said:

I think GSW will survive.

Yeah, it was probably as simple as wanting to have a familiar face and veteran presence riding the end of the bench as opposed to some interchangeable rookie or D-league guy. No on-court analysis needed.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

And thus continues the Warriors' annual tradition of loading up on washed centers when they ideally don't even want one on the court for half the game in the playoffs.

Not really much else out there to fill a roster spot, though. My biggest problem with the Cousins' signing is that it depleted their entire MLE, which could have been used to entice mid-season buyouts...but Faried looks to be the only one who will have any real impact (sorry Pau). Pretty weak buyout market this year.

I’d much rather have Boogie than any buyout candidate

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34 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

injured.  he's missed the last 16 games.  they're 5-11 in those 16.

I'm case there's any doubt to his value. He may never impress anybody statistically, but he's a difference maker. Look no further than the dumpster fire that is UCLA in the years before and after he was there.

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2 hours ago, hundredTT said:

Watching this Lakers game is a joke. Luke Walton just looks depressed.

Well yeah, LeBron turned the team against him and is going to have him fired. If Walton wasn't so tight with Jeanie Buss he'd already be gone. LeBron threw in the towel and checked out, he knows the Lakers have 0 chance of making the playoffs. The Lakers went out and signed guys LeBron wanted like Rondo and Stephenson, but it'll all be on Luke Walton. That young core was extremely overrated as well. Kuzma/Ingram may become good players, but I don't see them becoming great players and Clownzo is borderline bust status.

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