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[InkaUtexas 24820]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

 

Can we send someone to shut this fucker up? Where is Mr. Miyagi when we need him. 

[956 Worldwide 33957]

Russia is striking Kyiv, Lviv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro at morning rush hour. Massive air strikes, one of them on Schevchenko University. 

[956 Worldwide 33957]

This shows a view, this place a close to the university district, Schevchenko and Volodymyrska Street. Pure terror bombing and a display of Russian fury and impotence at the same time.  They’re losing on the battlefield and can only lash out at civilians. 
 

 

[tx 3 putt 74767]

15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Russia is striking Kyiv, Lviv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro at morning rush hour. Massive air strikes, one of them on Schevchenko University. 

They’re getting hammered 

 

 

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This is who the Russians are shooting at this morning. 
 

 

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7 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Yeah, this little bridge is a cute pedestrian path in a nice park with views of the city. Putin is a bitch ass.

 

Its infuriating that we won’t give them stuff to hit military targets in Russia.  High time to do that. 

[Johnny Chimpo 477]

Damn they are so fucked up. Terror bombing is correct. 

[956 Worldwide 33957]

This thread is worth a read, good insight into what Putin is likely trying to do. The implied threat of nuclear attack is especially important, as is the insight that Putin is demonstrating his own lack of moral restraint as a “strength”. 
 

 

[956 Worldwide 33957]

So, gathering my thoughts on what this means. 
 

First, this is the new commander of the “SMO,” Sergei Surovkin. He is commander of the aerospace forces and he led the intervention in Syria from 2017-2019.

 

It’s unsurprising one of his first moves was to resort to terror bombing.  The Russians did this all over Syria.  One thing to remember— in Syria, much of the destruction was done by tons of unguided gravity bombs dropped from a position of air superiority and with Syrian troops on the ground doing the nasty work. Surovkin has neither in Ukraine.

Second, this is at least as much of a domestic show of force as it was a message to Ukraine. Russia’s propagandists were howling and desperate for a show of strength and now they have one.  There can be no battlefield victories but they can terrify Ukrainian citizens and murder them in their daily lives.  These strikes will satisfy the bloodthirsty agitators for a while. 
 

Third, it reveals how badly Ukraine needs more air defense. That’s easier said that done. Put simply, the U.S. and our Allies have spent decades prepping to deliver the shock and awe, not defend against it. This isn’t our strongest suit. Ukraine likely has its air defenses set up to guard critical military infrastructure and so that’s a secondary reason for Russia to attack civilians. 
 

Finally, it’s worth remembering that for Russia and Putin escalation only means more murdering of civilians.  It does not mean a renewed effort to take and control territory or defeat the Ukrainian military. They can’t do that. 

[Scheiss Meister 8300]

Give Ukraine ATACMS now, and declare Russia a terrorist state.

[956 Worldwide 33957]

Good thread from an air defense specialist who talks more about what I touched on— the West isn’t in a place to deliver the air defense Ukraine needs, lots of their systems are deployed to protect the military, air defense in a big country is super hard. 
 

 

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Edited October 10, 2022 by RPM

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Zelenskyy is so good at this.  Lots of Vatnik rumors about him fleeing, hiding in a bunker in Western Ukraine. Here he is in the government quarter in Kyiv. 
 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11486]

Interesting way to escalate.  Different ways to be a terrorist stare without going nuclear. 

[immamac 41337]

Yeah I don't really understand at this point how we don't give them the terrorist state designation. They not only check all the boxes, but are now openly committing acts of terrorism and claiming they were intentional. 

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[Bateshorn 9475]

To me, this was the only play the Russians had.  It’s utterly ineffective from a military point of view, and will likely exacerbate their already badly depleted PGM problem, but Putin’s leadership was being openly questioned. 
 

I do agree it means we will need to find the resources to improve civilian air defense.  Which, to repeat the Babylon Bee article again: Loud cheering heard coming from Lockheed Martin board room.

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Russia has claimed and Ukraine agreed that a primary target of the strikes was energy infrastructure.  Here’s a map of what the Russians claim to hit.  It shows different large power generating facilities and the type.  This fits with being unable to hit vital military targets and a goal of maximum suffering. Other targets appear to just be civilian areas.  Zaporizhia has seen a lot of apartments bombed. 
 

 

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[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

I’ll say it again, that we are still asking Ukraine to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back is a disgrace…and that the reason is to try and deter bad behavior is laughable.

Bring all the sanctions, punish India and China, and give them every weapon system they want.

[Gatorubet 29391]

32 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I’ll say it again, that we are still asking Ukraine to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back is a disgrace…and that the reason is to try and deter bad behavior is laughable.

Bring all the sanctions, punish India and China, and give them every weapon system they want.

Slow your roll there pard.   No need to drive China closer to Putler.   They are dissing him right now and picking his pocket

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[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Slow your roll there pard.   No need to drive China closer to Putler. 

What would that look like? Putin is a dead man walking. They aren’t going to hitch themselves to that wagon IMO.

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[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, MillerEP said:

 

“I demand an explanation!”

History buffs, what did diplomacy look like with Germany during WW2? 

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[BehoId, The Underminer! 11486]

 

9 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

“I demand an explanation!”

History buffs, what did diplomacy look like with Germany during WW2? 

I think this is ordinary “don’t get it mixed, we aren’t on your side” sort of stuff.  Lots of ambassadors being called in by host states these days.  

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[Laxtonto 11764]

Am I the only one thinking we are about to see a much uglier side of this war over the winter?

So far Ukraine has done a solid job of sticking to targets of military value and those have been all on the Ukrainian side of the border. With this round of attacks, I am not sure how much longer they will be willing to stick  to targets in the Ukraine. Though they may not use cruise missiles that Russia is lobbing right now, they have been extremely effective with SOF raids and there are a ton of targets that are both close to the Ukraine and would cause an immense headache for them to target.

 

I understand that Putin is lashing out this way in an attempt to save face with his ground forces being impotent, but the interesting question will be how does Ukraine respond.

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[DigglerontheHoof 20449]

time for Russian civilians to get moved into the FO phase of the war. 

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22 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

“I demand an explanation!”

History buffs, what did diplomacy look like with Germany during WW2? 

The ambassador is going to get an earful.  It’s about the strongest measure a country like Moldova has to express serious displeasure outside of just kicking out staff. At the end of the day, it is Moldova which is not a NATO Ally and is partially occupied by Russia. 
 

Germany was officially at war with most nations and their ambassadors left.  In Britain, Halifax dragged the wire brush across the Nazi envoy a bunch of times leading up to 1939.  The Soviets, remember, were trying to get along and feast on Poland together. 

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[immamac 41337]

1 minute ago, MillerEP said:

 

Yeah I think this is crossing the line as they are threatening more and openly claiming civilians infrastructure and civilian casualties are their strategic goal. 

This seems like a really stupid knee jerk reaction to getting a strategic supply line taken away. Everything Russia seems to be doing only accelerates their implosion. It doesn't seem like they have had anything remotely resembling effective combat or missions in the last month. 

[atomheartbevo 88750]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I’ll say it again, that we are still asking Ukraine to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back is a disgrace…and that the reason is to try and deter bad behavior is laughable.

Bring all the sanctions, punish India and China, and give them every weapon system they want.

51 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Slow your roll there pard.   No need to drive China closer to Putler.   They are dissing him right now and picking his pocket

Putin is pushing China and India and everybody else away, and yeah, they are wanting to pick over the Russian corpse, and the sooner that happens, the better for them.

Designate them as terrorists, put it out there in the UN even if Russia can veto stuff.

This weekend, we literally saw Russian state propagandists on Russian state TV bragging about being the bad guys that the world said they were, and they bragged that they would rather be feared than laughed at.

Edited October 10, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 88750]

Just now, immamac said:

Everything Russia seems to be doing only accelerates their implosion. It doesn't seem like they have had anything remotely resembling effective combat or missions in the last month. 

Putin has no military background, but is trying to control the military, and he's fixated on scaring Ukrainian civilians rather than supporting his troops (who would probably love to see those 85 cruise missiles to be used against the Ukrainian military).

Not that the Ukrainian military needed it, but this is going to be a huge boost to them.

Whoever said Russia/Putin is impotent, it's spot on.  Putin is the asshole who is doing poorly at work and comes home and kicks the dog.

[atomheartbevo 88750]

44 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

“I demand an explanation!”

History buffs, what did diplomacy look like with Germany during WW2? 

Would be nice to help Moldova kick their Russians out, and it's a small number (albeit Moldova is a small country).  I'd like to think we have been talking to Moldova about all of this.

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the Russian woman was going somewhere.

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Putin has no military background, but is trying to control the military, and he's fixated on scaring Ukrainian civilians

Is his kgb training and experience driving his decisions?

[Hefeweizen 5210]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Is his kgb training and experience driving his decisions?

It informs his entire worldview.  
 

Short answer is yes.  And he has no one to tell him he is fucking up by doing this.  His only hint is China and India backing away, but even then he is viewing it through the lens of the US forcing them to through coercion.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

It’s absolutely insane how fucked Putin is. There is not a single “good” move for him left on the board. Not one. This war is already over, now we just wait to see what bad moves he makes before it ends.

I wish I better understood Russian sentiment. How much of the general population does this attack appease?

[immamac 41337]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

It’s absolutely insane how fucked Putin is. There is not a single “good” move for him left on the board. Not one. This war is already over, now we just wait to see what bad moves he makes before it ends.

I wish I better understood Russian sentiment. How much of the general population does this attack appease?

This is where we are. It's a game on how to keep him from using nukes before the coup. 

[atomheartbevo 88750]

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Is his kgb training and experience driving his decisions?

I think so. The KGB engaged in conspiracy after conspiracy, and supported lots and lots of terrorism, so it's only logical that somebody who came up in that atmosphere automatically assumes that the West is engaged in conspiracies against him (which, self-fulfilling prophecy on his part - he is driving everybody to conspire against him).

And don't forget, he came to power on the back of the Chechen stuff, and terror and false-flag operations and indiscriminate killing of civilians did wonders for "resolving" that crisis, and terror and false-flag operations and indiscriminate killing of civilians worked in Syria to keep Assad in power.

He would automatically assume that what worked in Chechnya and Syria would work for him against Ukraine, a nation that he doesn't see as a nation, but just another breakaway area like Chechnya or the rebellious parts of Syria.

[atomheartbevo 88750]

47 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

Am I the only one thinking we are about to see a much uglier side of this war over the winter?

So far Ukraine has done a solid job of sticking to targets of military value and those have been all on the Ukrainian side of the border. With this round of attacks, I am not sure how much longer they will be willing to stick  to targets in the Ukraine. Though they may not use cruise missiles that Russia is lobbing right now, they have been extremely effective with SOF raids and there are a ton of targets that are both close to the Ukraine and would cause an immense headache for them to target.

I understand that Putin is lashing out this way in an attempt to save face with his ground forces being impotent, but the interesting question will be how does Ukraine respond.

A part of me would love to see Ukraine lob some cruise missiles into Moscow and Saint Petersburg to drive the war home to those people, but I think the better strategy is to force Putin try and mobilize even more of an unwilling populace, and to get that designation of a terrorist state.  We're in October of his 3-day operation that started in February - all of the really pro-Putin/gung-ho types would have signed up to go fight long again, so let's see him mobilize even more people who don't want to be there, at a time where he can't even feed and equip the people he mobilized in the first wave.