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Do they have the equipment to provide a mobilized force?

I know we haven’t yet found the number of casualties that are unacceptable to Russia, but even with that callousness about life would they send people without clothes, food, arms, and expect them to make a difference?  A couple million armed with rakes and shovels might could work in the same way ants can kill a big animal.  Is that in the plans ahead of surrender?

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11 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do they have the equipment to provide a mobilized force?

I know we haven’t yet found the number of casualties that are unacceptable to Russia, but even with that callousness about life would they send people without clothes, food, arms, and expect them to make a difference?  A couple million armed with rakes and shovels might could work in the same way ants can kill a big animal.  Is that in the plans ahead of surrender?

In large numbers, it feels like we are reaching the point where the Russians will be stripping the hell out of their older stores, which they’ve already tapped into.  They have to have a certain amount of newer stuff on the border with China, and available in case any republics get antsy.  

Meanwhile, some OSINT geeks have quietly talked about the Ukrainians having a lot of newer Western hardware/vehicles that haven’t seen the battlefield yet, but that they know are in Ukraine. They are saying it’s enough to completely outfit some large mechanized infantry groups, as if they are keeping them in a reserve that can quickly move towards Kharkiv or Kherson to reinforce, or to be used to exploit breakthroughs in certain areas.  Others are thinking they are waiting for the thousands of Ukrainians training in the UK, etc. 

 
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16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Meanwhile, some OSINT geeks have quietly talked about the Ukrainians having a lot of newer Western hardware/vehicles that haven’t seen the battlefield yet, but that they know are in Ukraine. They are saying it’s enough to completely outfit some large mechanized infantry groups, as if they are keeping them in a reserve that can quickly move towards Kharkiv or Kherson to reinforce, or to be used to exploit breakthroughs in certain areas

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31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do they have the equipment to provide a mobilized force?

I know we haven’t yet found the number of casualties that are unacceptable to Russia, but even with that callousness about life would they send people without clothes, food, arms, and expect them to make a difference?  A couple million armed with rakes and shovels might could work in the same way ants can kill a big animal.  Is that in the plans ahead of surrender?

General mobilization is going to be a huge lift for a military that by all accounts can’t handle what they’re doing now. 
 

Theoretically, they can start calling up all males of military age, who should have been trained during mandatory service and who should have something they can do. Many of them will be useless, for example some have done their mandatory time in the submarine service. 
 

But getting them all to report and then integrating them into cohesive units and kitted out, then to the front and in the fight? And everyone at home is also pissed. And the counteroffensive is still ongoing. 
 

Ukraine has to think about securing their flanks and supply lines.  But Russia is far more fucked. The time to mobilize was before you’re losing this bad. 

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ukraine has to think about securing their flanks and supply lines.  But Russia is far more fucked. The time to mobilize was before you’re losing this bad. 

Ukraine will have taken rail hubs that Russian needs (and already has), as well as probably put a lot of Russian rail within artillery range by the time any kind of mobilization takes place, which means Russia would have to completely revamp their logistics chain to move ammo/supplies/people longer distances on wheeled or tracked vehicles rather than by rail.

More importantly, they’ll have to revamp those logistics chains at a time where sanctions are impacting their ability to generate a lot of new vehicles to replace the thousands that they’ve lost, and they’ll have to do it basically under Ukrainian artillery fire. And they’ll have to do it with a bunch of people who are not swimming in experience and/or institutional knowledge, and who don’t want to be there.

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Ukraine will have taken rail hubs that Russian needs (and already has), as well as probably put a lot of Russian rail within artillery range by the time any kind of mobilization takes place, which means Russia would have to completely revamp their logistics chain to move ammo/supplies/people longer distances on wheeled or tracked vehicles rather than by rail.

More importantly, they’ll have to revamp those logistics chains at a time where sanctions are impacting their ability to generate a lot of new vehicles to replace the thousands that they’ve lost, and they’ll have to do it basically under Ukrainian artillery fire. And they’ll have to do it with a bunch of people who are not swimming in experience and/or institutional knowledge, and who don’t want to be there.

I mean, we saw how quickly US/ARVN operational efficiency devolved during Vietnamization.  I can't imagine it will go any better, and I would think much worse, for the Russians.

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The degree to which we have degraded the Russian Army and Air Force, at the expense of exactly 0 American lives and only a rounding error in the federal budget, is amazing.
Our military has taken a lot of shit over the past 20 years, because fundamentally it was asked to do something it's not good at.  We're not the Soviets; we're not very good at installing friendly governments and then crushing a populace to keep that government in charge.  And somehow people took that to mean that the American military isn't that great.
This is showing that not only are we that great; we're even better than that.  The United States armed forces doesn't just have the best equipment; it has the best logistics, the best tactics, the best intelligence, and the best technology in the world.  And it's not even close.
People were running around talking about a multipolar world, and the ascendency of Russia and China.  Aint no motherfucking multipolar anything.  And anybody who thought differently was fooling themselves.  There is one single hyperpower.  And that's it.  The only times anyone could reasonably fool himself into thinking otherwise is when the hyperpower decides to trip over its own dick.
But there's no dick-tripping right now.  And this is a helluva message to send to countries like China and Iran.

Agreed and something to keep in mind when people bitch about the defense budget. Yes, it is necessary.
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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Need to submit this to the Corridor Crew or one of the other YouTube channels where VFX artists point out the flaws in CGI.

Aside from the Russian military, has any group emerged with more reputational damage than the much feared Chechen fighters? Shouldn’t really be a surprise, as in the process of pacification and Kadyrovzatin most of their real killers got whacked, left, or joined the bad side in the war on terror.  An effective fighting force is one a dictator has to worry about. 
 

Or just got old.  Not a lot of badasses from the first Chechen War still in fighting shape.These assholes are good at civilian atrocities and not much else.

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Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Aside from the Russian military, has any group emerged with more reputational damage than the much feared Chechen fighters? Shouldn’t really be a surprise, as in the process of pacification and Kadyrovzatin most of their real killers got whacked, left, or joined the bad side in the war on terror.  An effective fighting force is one a dictator has to worry about. 
 

Or just got old.  Not a lot of badasses from the first Chechen War still in fighting shape.These assholes are good at civilian atrocities and not much else.

What's the old line about Dictators?  You can either have a strong military, or be in charge, but you can't do both.

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Aside from the Russian military, has any group emerged with more reputational damage than the much feared Chechen fighters? Shouldn’t really be a surprise, as in the process of pacification and Kadyrovzatin most of their real killers got whacked, left, or joined the bad side in the war on terror.  An effective fighting force is one a dictator has to worry about. 
 

Or just got old.  Not a lot of badasses from the first Chechen War still in fighting shape.These assholes are good at civilian atrocities and not much else.

Civilian atrocities and attritional/artillery warfare are faring poorly against combined arms/maneuver warfare.  This is definitely not their parent’s Soviet forces.

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

But getting them all to report and then integrating them into cohesive units and kitted out, then to the front and in the fight? And everyone at home is also pissed. And the counteroffensive is still ongoing. 

I could see them being politically useful as theater extras-- park them all along the Ukrainian border to "defend against the West" then when the West doesn't invade, claim steady, heroic leadership.

It's the kind of lie an 8-year-old would think of. They seem to like those.

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Translation:

-don’t know, where

-where you were moving to?

-near the izyum somewhere

-Attacked or run from us?

-Don’t know. regrouping

-where u from?

-Kazan Tatar?

-What the heck you do here you not russian?

-Idiot

-?

-I am idiot. Was sent here

-Rank?

-sailor, torpedoes

-WTF doing here?

-Was prepared for a week and sent here I’m from baltic fleet ammunition warehouse

-where are yours?

-Gone somewhere

-You are lucky dude. There a lot of yours lay here dead

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