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5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

No one is questioning whether Maduro is a bad guy that Venezuela and the world would be better off without.

So was Sadaam Hussein. So was Bashar Al-Assad.

We are questioning this regime's judgment in deposing him and its ability to produce a net good for Venezuela or anyone else in the aftermath.

I think those concerns are quite valid.

That’s very fair and also a concern of mine. I fought in one stupid war over this crap, Iraq) and have a nephew in the Marine Corps I’d rather not have over there.

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20 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I have zero doubt that 70% of the country will forget about the Epstein Files if gas drops below $1/gallon.

How fucked is Texas if gas drops below $1?

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11 hours ago, Anastasis said:

South American regime change operations have a long history of success without blowback. This is all going to turn out fine.

list of the US regime change efforts in Latin America over the years:

1846–1848 – Mexico

1898 – Cuba

1903 - Panama

1906–1909 - Cuba

1909 - Nicaragua

1912–1933 - Nicaragua

1913 -Mexico

1914 - Mexico

1915–1934 - Haiti

1916–1924 - Dominican Republic

1916–1917 - Mexico

1932 – El Salvador

1933–1940s – Cuba

1944 – Guatemala

1946 – Bolivia

1948 – Costa Rica

1952 – Cuba

1953–1954 – British Guiana

1954 – Guatemala

1960s: Cold War Escalation

1960–1961 – Cuba

1961 – Cuba

1961 – Dominican Republic

1962–1963 – Brazil

1963 – Dominican Republic

1963 – Ecuador

1963 – Honduras

1964 – Brazil

1964 – Bolivia

1965 – Dominican Republic

1966–1996 – Guatemala

1970s: Operation Condor Era

1970–1973 – Chile

1971 – Bolivia

1973 – Chile

1973 – Uruguay

1976 – Argentina

1976–1983 – Region-wide (Operation Condor)

1979 – Nicaragua

1980–1989 – Nicaragua

1980–1992 – El Salvador

1980s – Honduras

1980–1992 – Guatemala

1980s – Jamaica

1982 – Bolivia

1983 – Grenada

1989 – Panama

1991 – Haiti

1994 – Haiti

2002 – Venezuela

2004 – Haiti

2009 – Honduras

2019 – Bolivia

2017–present – Venezuela

2018–present – Nicaragua

Every U.S. president from 1901–present has been involved in Latin American regime change. The US remains an imperialist presence in Latin America.

1 minute ago, Updawg said:

How fucked is Texas if gas drops below $1?

trump fucked o/g his first term, he upped his game the second term

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

We have a pedophile,convicted felon, fascist at our helm. What should happen there?

Who is also responsible for the deaths of thousands as a result of cutting USAID. Killers are killers, right, @Hook'Em0608 ?

1 minute ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

No, I don’t have my head in my ass. Killers are killers. Motivation is irrelevant to their victims. Whether it’s to please their sky daddy or to suppress a populace it’s evil.

Forget the fact that the sole motivation for this coup is to further enrich Trump and his cronies, this is going to cost US taxpayers around a trillion dollars, and the only material change in Venezuela itself is the country’s wealth will flow to the US oligarchs rather than Russia and China.

3 minutes ago, Updawg said:

How fucked is Texas if gas drops below $1?

Turbo

5 hours ago, Chopper said:

Comparing Maduro to UBL is so unserious it nearly makes me puke.

I'm not onboard with a fascist doing fascist things, here or abroad.

K, take some Pepcid or something

16 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Some of us judge Al Capone by his murders and rackets, not the soup kitchens that he also funded. "Taking the good with the bad" will not include me supporting trump's illegal and immoral actions, no matter what benefits might come from them.

Venezuelans should just fuck off, got it.

1 minute ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

K, take some Pepcid or something

How many concussions have you suffered?

Why do you think magats are already talking about invading Mexico, Colombia, Greenland, etc etc?

8 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We have a pedophile,convicted felon, fascist at our helm. What should happen there?

Accountability, but apparently nobody is capable of bringing that anymore so here we are.

7 minutes ago, royiv said:

Who is also responsible for the deaths of thousands as a result of cutting USAID. Killers are killers, right, @Hook'Em0608 ?

Sure?

8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Forget the fact that the sole motivation for this coup is to further enrich Trump and his cronies, this is going to cost US taxpayers around a trillion dollars, and the only material change in Venezuela itself is the country’s wealth will flow to the US oligarchs rather than Russia and China.

I hope that isn’t true

Just now, Hook'Em0608 said:

I hope that isn’t true

This is a joke, right?

2 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I hope that isn’t true

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5 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

Venezuelans should just fuck off, got it.

Where the fuck did I say that? When this plays out the way these "adventures" always do, the Venezuelan people will bear the brunt of the human costs of their "liberation". Trump, and you, do not give one shit about the Venezuelan people.

Folks like you are why people think that Marines like me eat crayons.

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During Trumps PC today he didn’t make a single mention of restoring democracy to Venezuela. He doesn’t give a single fuck about Venezuelans unless he can get something out of them.

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

How many concussions have you suffered?

Why do you think magats are already talking about invading Mexico, Colombia, Greenland, etc etc?

One too many

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Where the fuck did I say that? When this plays out the way these "adventures" always do, the Venezuelan people will bear the brunt of the human costs of their "liberation". Trump, and you, do not give one shit about the Venezuelan people.

Folks like you are why people think that Marines like me eat crayons.

You sure seem super supportive of them. You’re on here bleeding all over the internet about their oppressor being in a U.S. jail. Trump is a fucking tyrant and a liar. Maduro needed to go. Both can be true.

10 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I hope that isn’t true

Stop and think about it. You were in Iraq. Saddam was a bad guy, sure.

Are Iraqis better off? Is the world? Saddam is gone, that's about all you can say. Life in Iraq for most Iraqis still sucks.

Who "won" in that one?

1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

I banged a chick with a Honda emblem tattoo on the back of her neck on a Carnival cruise /csb

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Who "won" in that one?

Halliburton

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Who "won" in that one?

Halliburton

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Is this on the table? Because a few less floating Wal-Marts might be a good thing.

Sir, my in-laws would very likely be on that cruise. Go for it.

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Is this on the table? Because a few less floating Wal-Marts might be a good thing.

Sucks for Maduro he didn't fuck little kids. He'd been protected and celebrated.

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Hence, Cody Campbell and TTU NIL in shambles.

CC already has his money. He is a land guy primarily that has dabbled in development. It will not affect him, except he might not be as bro friendly with Trump.

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1 minute ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

One too many

You sure seem super supportive of them. You’re on here bleeding all over the internet about their oppressor being in a U.S. jail. Trump is a fucking tyrant and a liar. Maduro needed to go. Both can be true.

No, you spastic monumental fuck up, I am not bleeding all over about Maduro. He's out of power and unable to continue with his illegal and immoral oppression of his people. I'm ok with that. But the manner in which it was done is wrong.

I am refusing to back another illegal, immoral, stupid excuse to send young American men and women to die and be maimed while killing and maiming Venezuelans so that oil companies and American oligarchs can make money. Money which you and I will never see and will bring us no benefit whatsoever. Two wrongs don't make a right, dumbfuck.

I wish that I had understood this in time to not back sending you to Iraq, also for illegal and immoral reasons.

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Stop and think about it. You were in Iraq. Saddam was a bad guy, sure.

Are Iraqis better off? Is the world? Saddam is gone, that's about all you can say. Life in Iraq for most Iraqis still sucks.

Who "won" in that one?

Iraq was very complicated and democracy won’t work there. I was just a kid, the “adults” should have known that. Hell I was there and didn’t understand it until many many years later. I think democracy can work in Venezuela but that’s for them to decide. Which needs to happen soon. I don’t trust our admin to run anything. Some on here are looking so hard to attack “maga” they aren’t actually seeing what I’m saying. That Venezuela is in our hemisphere and conspiring with our enemies against our interest. Maduro being gone is a chance for that country to decide their future if Trump doesn’t fuck it up. I’m rooting for that outcome. I don’t care if it’s a feather in his cap, he’s done as a candidate. Our nightmare will soon be over and maybe one good thing occurs for the world during that time. This shouldn’t be a controversial take.

17 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Where the fuck did I say that? When this plays out the way these "adventures" always do, the Venezuelan people will bear the brunt of the human costs of their "liberation". Trump, and you, do not give one shit about the Venezuelan people.

Folks like you are why people think that Marines like me eat crayons.

Well they do.

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

More to come! PRESIDENT OF PEACE!!!

What could go wrong attacking a country that we share a large border with, that had a third of our population.

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4 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

Iraq was very complicated and democracy won’t work there. I was just a kid, the “adults” should have known that. Hell I was there and didn’t understand it until many many years later. I think democracy can work in Venezuela but that’s for them to decide. Which needs to happen soon. I don’t trust our admin to run anything. Some on here are looking so hard to attack “maga” they aren’t actually seeing what I’m saying. That Venezuela is in our hemisphere and conspiring with our enemies against our interest. Maduro being gone is a chance for that country to decide their future if Trump doesn’t fuck it up. I’m rooting for that outcome. I don’t care if it’s a feather in his cap, he’s done as a candidate. Our nightmare will soon be over and maybe one good thing occurs for the world during that time. This shouldn’t be a controversial take.

If i thought you had an iq much above 20 I'd ask you to explain how this is going to help the people of Venezuela at all. But I don't, so I won't.

There are ways to help but that would involve diplomacy and intelligence - ya know, the things the dotard budget cut.

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So what happens if Maduro gets acquitted? Do we send him back? Lots of opportunities for hilarity here.

Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

So what happens if Maduro gets acquitted? Do we send him back? Lots of opportunities for hilarity here.

Deport him to CECOT.

4 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

No, you spastic monumental fuck up, I am not bleeding all over about Maduro. He's out of power and unable to continue with his illegal and immoral oppression of his people. I'm ok with that. But the manner in which it was done is wrong.

I am refusing to back another illegal, immoral, stupid excuse to send young American men and women to die and be maimed while killing and maiming Venezuelans so that oil companies and American oligarchs can make money. Money which you and I will never see and will bring us no benefit whatsoever. Two wrongs don't make a right, dumbfuck.

I wish that I had understood this in time to not back sending you to Iraq, also for illegal and immoral reasons.

I didn’t realize I was talking to a congressman, don’t worry, I came out of Iraq just fine. Somebody called it though, I did get a pretty nasty concussion. Maybe that’s why I’m dumb enough to read anything on daily Texan or cloak room like once in a blue moon. I should stick to reading the recruiting thread. There is no room for debate anymore in this world. Only right think and wrong think defined by the majority. But thank you for your service anyway. In the real world we could probably have a beer and a good discussion because context is never truly understood in a sentence or two on the internet. Result is always dumb ass this or some insult because folks think they can size somebody up on a quick hot take.

48 minutes ago, royiv said:

This is a joke, right?

No, these are the brain dead morons that elevated us to our current status.

15 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I didn’t realize I was talking to a congressman, don’t worry, I came out of Iraq just fine. Somebody called it though, I did get a pretty nasty concussion. Maybe that’s why I’m dumb enough to read anything on daily Texan or cloak room like once in a blue moon. I should stick to reading the recruiting thread. There is no room for debate anymore in this world. Only right think and wrong think defined by the majority. But thank you for your service anyway. In the real world we could probably have a beer and a good discussion because context is never truly understood in a sentence or two on the internet. Result is always dumb ass this or some insult because folks think they can size somebody up on a quick hot take.

That’s a hot jumble of bullshit. Do you respect the constitution? Do you believe in the REAL rule of law, respect of liberty and all that shit this country was founded on? If not your service was just being a mercenary for a paycheck. Maybe you should re-examine the values you had before that concussion. Or maybe you’ve just always been a piece of shit without principles and are now free to fly your piece of shit flag. God knows there are plenty of pieces of shit to go along with with you. Maybe you aren’t a piece of shit, but you’re acting like one. I’ve had it with the “I served wah wah” people. You served in Iraq? Really? Did you? Maybe. We will take your word for that. Sorry for your loss”concussion “, asshole. Many more got worse. Was your “concussion “ worth it? Did you or the American people gain anything from it? You feel more free or liberated after killing or supporting killing a bunch of Iraqis and others? Was was it worth the brain damage you so obviously sustained?

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1 hour ago, Updawg said:

How fucked is Texas if gas drops below $1?

Aggy's NIL will definitely take a blow lol

This is the entire story:

“This incredible thing last night... We have to do it again [in other countries]. We can do it again, too. Nobody can stop us."

That’s it. We are about to go on an orgy of violent conquest. It doesn’t stop with Venezuela. Not even close. We’re just going to take places, countries, etc, because we want to.

The story of the US in this era is nothing more complicated than “Putin, but with lots more money and a much, much better military.” We are now officially everything Putin wants to be.

Maduro is shit. But legitimate countries don’t do this shit. And then threaten their neighbor and ally Mexico - MEXICO, FFS - with the same thing.

The only rock-solid guarantees here: 1) we’re going to do a lot more of this, with even LESS justification, 2) in the end, the Venezuelan people aren’t going to end up materially better off because this was NEVER about them, and 3) Trump will be massively personally enriched as a result.

11 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

That’s a hot jumble of bullshit. Do you respect the constitution? Do you believe in the REAL rule of law, respect of liberty and all that shit this country was founded on? If not your service was just being a mercenary for a paycheck. Maybe you should re-examine the values you had before that concussion. Or maybe you’ve just always been a piece of shit without principles and are now free to fly your piece of shit flag. God knows there are plenty of pieces of shit to go along with with you. Maybe you aren’t a piece of shit, but you’re acting like one. I’ve had it with the “I served wah wah” people. You served in Iraq? Really? Did you? Maybe. We will take your word for that. Sorry for your loss”concussion “, asshole. Many more got worse. Was your “concussion “ worth it? Did you or the American people gain anything from it?

What in the hell are you even talking about? How did you get any of that from the quoted post? Talk about a concussion…

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1 hour ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I hope that isn’t true

Based on this response it is crystal clear your naivety has greatly clouded your judgement. I used to be like you, about 20 years ago. I couldn’t conceive of such extreme levels of corruption in the US. But as I learned over the past 20 years, the corruption is 10x worse than it appears, and indisputable evidence shows that our current president is probably the single most corrupt president in our history. You really should spend some time examining that possibility.

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

That’s a hot jumble of bullshit. Do you respect the constitution? Do you believe in the REAL rule of law, respect of liberty and all that shit this country was founded on? If not your service was just being a mercenary for a paycheck. Maybe you should re-examine the values you had before that concussion. Or maybe you’ve just always been a piece of shit without principles and are now free to fly your piece of shit flag. God knows there are plenty of pieces of shit to go along with with you.

1 minute ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

What in the hell are you even talking about? How did you get any of that from the quoted post? Talk about a concussion…

Mea culpa. I’ve been browsing this thread and I thought upon reading on post I thought you were supporting this particular action. If not I apologize. I saw the CR reference. But you know, the “ oh no CR” basically means I’m a complete pussy and probably a facist because I have no plausible arguments and a tiny dick, or I like sucking off orange golf cheaters who do, right?

1 hour ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

No, I don’t have my head in my ass. Killers are killers. Motivation is irrelevant to their victims. Whether it’s to please their sky daddy or to suppress a populace it’s evil.

Or you know. Americans could pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop uhhh doing all the drugs at least or be less puritanical about them and severely cripple the black market for them

It’s actually the perfect encapsulation of our blame everybody else society when we create the demand that gives a lot of these killers the power they have.

In any case, bombing another country and kidnapping the unelected president, well, think what might have happened in 2024 with trump and the election he stole from Kamala. How would you feel if Macron unleashed his foreign legion and dragged trump through the roughs of Bedminster? Oh you would be outraged! That’s what we just did, ya dumb dumb Motherf’er

Since it's been made clear that the law doesn't matter anymore under this regime and everything is transactional nowadays, I'd like to ask a basic, pragmatic question after my royalty checks have already declined by about 30% over the past year, mainly due to the whole tariff bullshit.

How much farther can I expect these checks and my oil patch town’s economy to decline now that Venezuelan oil is about to flood the market?

1 hour ago, royiv said:

This is a joke, right?

I guess I should clarify, I hope we don’t spend a fucking trillion dollars there. That is not in our interest. Helping them achieve fair elections is. Helping them rebuild their oil fields is. Being our ally is, instead of Iran, Russia, and Cuba. China is almost our peer at this point, they are going to project influence anywhere they want. Nothing we can really do about it accept to be a better friend to our allies which currently we are not doing. We bully our allies.

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29 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I didn’t realize I was talking to a congressman, don’t worry, I came out of Iraq just fine. Somebody called it though, I did get a pretty nasty concussion. Maybe that’s why I’m dumb enough to read anything on daily Texan or cloak room like once in a blue moon. I should stick to reading the recruiting thread. There is no room for debate anymore in this world. Only right think and wrong think defined by the majority. But thank you for your service anyway. In the real world we could probably have a beer and a good discussion because context is never truly understood in a sentence or two on the internet. Result is always dumb ass this or some insult because folks think they can size somebody up on a quick hot take.

Ok, now that I have calmed down, I'll leave my part of this at this:

I'm not a congressman, but I voted for one who was all gung ho to get after Iraq. I was also gung ho to get in there and kick their asses. Since I voted for and supported him, I am partially responsible for his actions on Iraq. The voters bear the ultimate responsibility for those whom they choose to make policy and lead.

I figured out that this was a grave error even before Baghdad fell. I watched on the news as a Marine unit left a major Republican Guard base that they had just overrun. They didn't blow up or disable the arms and ammo they found there, and they didn't leave even a corporal's guard to watch over it. Just left it for someone else. I know this because a Marine officer that they were interviewing told the reporters and the watching world that they were doing so.

That someone else was the insurgents, and they made use of those arms and ammo on many young Americans. Maybe even you. I have felt awful about that since then, because I voted for and supported the invasion that was being so stupidly run. I soon came to see that it was stupid from the beginning, and that I shouldn't have supported it.

I appreciate you and your service more than you know, or probably believe. You did everything that was asked of you, and that is admirable and honorable. I'd love to have a beer with you and swap sea stories.

My point, so coarsely and inelegantly made, is that you should not have been asked to do that, and I share responsibility for the asking. I now refuse to ask it of anyone else for such flimsy reasons. I've seen too many times where terrible things were justified by hoped for good results, only to just be terrible.

You go have the best life possible. I wish you wisdom, prosperity, and peace. Semper Fidelis.

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