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14 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I am very glad I do not have to see family during the holidays. My mother always votes Democrat. The rest of them voted MAGA in 2016. I have completely stayed away from my family outside of my mom. If any of them renounce that racist clown I'll be glad to be around them. If not they do not really exist to me.

I text one cousin only because I think he is better than being a Trumpkin. His older brother is a full-blown racist who somehow had three kids with an Hispanic woman before showing his I hate brown people side. My younger brother voted Dotard because he hated Hillary. I think he is redeemable because he now has a daughter and his perspective has changed. I guess I will see how he votes in 2020. He votes for Dotard again and we will never speak going forward and I am okay with that. 

How does your brother having a daughter change things? I’m guessing he still hates Hillary and the last 3 years he’s heard about people trying to remove the President he helped vote into office. All while there’s a good chance his standard of living has improved. I’m guessing he’s voting for Trump again. 

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3 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

How does your brother having a daughter change things? 

Just a guess here... but maybe it’s because having a daughter tends to make a man less likely to be a misogynistic asshole and misogynistic assholes are Trump’s base?

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6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Just a guess here... but maybe it’s because having a daughter tends to make a man less likely to be a misogynistic asshole and misogynistic assholes are Trump’s base?

So does he not love his wife?

And if he doesn't change, but still loves his daughter, does that mean he's still misogynistic?

Does Trump's base not have daughters? 

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12 hours ago, Iceman said:

the hyperbole over the Trump presidency is little more than a polar opposite of the folks who hated Obama at every turn.  

This is a dangerous line of thinking and is not based in reality.  The difference is Obama was never a threat to democracy, the right just didn't like his policies.  The right jumped into outright conspiracy theories head first, despite the fact they were all debunked.  The dotard is ABSOLUTELY without question a threat to democracy, both in his actions, his speech, and his base.  The "conspiracy theories" he has been accused of keep being proven correct, over and over and over, not to mention his corruption is just blatantly obvious. 

Obama and Trump are not the same situation in any way, no matter how badly you want them to be.

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4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

So does he not love his wife?

And if he doesn't change, but still loves his daughter, does that mean he's still misogynistic?

Does Trump's base not have daughters? 

Read my post again.  I said “tends to make a man less likely...”  I never said it’s not possible or even that there’s not a substantial portion of Trumpers who have daughters who nevertheless still manage to be misogynistic assholes.

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14 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I am very glad I do not have to see family during the holidays. My mother always votes Democrat. The rest of them voted MAGA in 2016. I have completely stayed away from my family outside of my mom. If any of them renounce that racist clown I'll be glad to be around them. If not they do not really exist to me.

I text one cousin only because I think he is better than being a Trumpkin. His older brother is a full-blown racist who somehow had three kids with an Hispanic woman before showing his I hate brown people side. My younger brother voted Dotard because he hated Hillary. I think he is redeemable because he now has a daughter and his perspective has changed. I guess I will see how he votes in 2020. He votes for Dotard again and we will never speak going forward and I am okay with that. 

Maybe your brother votes for Trump hoping that you'll never contact him again. That's what I'd do if you were my brother. 

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48 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Just a guess here... but maybe it’s because having a daughter tends to make a man less likely to be a misogynistic asshole and misogynistic assholes are Trump’s base?

But if he were a misogynistic asshole wouldn’t Upper Westside have already renounced all relations with the demon sibling?

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My mom spent the entire 15 min car ride over to my brother's house trying to convince me that I should listen to Micheal Berry. That "I'd really enjoy his perspective and point of view."

Sigh. That asshole ate her brain. Another victim of the grift. She will again vote against all of her own self interest and say "don't like Trump; but Hillary, what can you do!"

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Only one anti-gay and one pro-child abuse comment from my sister's boyfriend. So, that was pretty good behavior on his part.

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

My mom spent the entire 15 min car ride over to my brother's house trying to convince me that I should listen to Micheal Berry. That "I'd really enjoy his perspective and point of view."

Sigh. That asshole ate her brain. Another victim of the grift. She will again vote against all of her own self interest and say "don't like Trump; but Hillary, what can you do!"

Is he like Lars Larson for people in the PNW?

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11 hours ago, GRHorn said:

How does your brother having a daughter change things? I’m guessing he still hates Hillary and the last 3 years he’s heard about people trying to remove the President he helped vote into office. All while there’s a good chance his standard of living has improved. I’m guessing he’s voting for Trump again. 

Dotard being president was not a net gain for him monetarily. 

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Dotard being president was not a net gain for him monetarily. 

Stupid people think correlation equals causation. Don’t try to correct them with logic. It just discombobulates them.

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Let's break it down like this then...who were POTUS' that markedly decreased their net worth while in office and who were those than saw a market increase while in office?  Let's focus on time in office and then maybe the immediate decade or so after leaving office.  Obviously those that lives for several decades afterwards will be outliers.  As will those that that only worked a few years after leaving office or died while in office.  

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Stupid people think correlation equals causation. Don’t try to correct them with logic. It just discombobulates them.

I remember we had a brief text conversation a few months back that included him saying "Killary." Now I know where that comes from as do you. I just ignored that. I am no Hillary fan, but I just had to not push too much.

His daughter has really changed him. He lives back in the town we grew up in. I really respect his work ethic and I respect the sacrifice he made to move back home when our mother had her first bout with cancer a few years back. She was diagnosed with a different cancer last September and he is still there being good to her. I really hope his daughter changed his view of things. 

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Bumping this for the more politically-related family dramas slowly unfolding across this great State of Texas.  The other thread is for more humorous venting, this one is the more for the shitshow of politics and holidays, a dangerous cocktail...particularly if there are no cocktails.  

Heading to Dripping Springs tonight after church for dinner with some extended family.  Current odds that my cousin brings up how sad she is for our country that Trump got impeached last week, during the Christmas Prayer, 3:1 and dropping rapidly.  We managed to avoid the Trump topic at Thanksgiving out there, but I doubt we get that lucky again.  I'm sure the shrine to the President they have above their dining table will loom even larger.  My other cousin is a flaming Democrat, and the sisters have managed to keep it civil somehow the last year or so.  Wild stuff.  My 91 year old uncle could give a shit about any of it anymore.  My cousin-in-law (is that a thing) has become more aligned with me over the years after being a rabid anti-semite for decades (he finally found out his wife and I have Jewish blood on our mother's sides, so best play nice).  Their eldest daughter seemed slightly more liberal to me a few years ago but now seems quite apolitical nowadays, just out of college and in the real world may do that to these youngsters.  Youngest daughter though is being dragged into Mom's Trump worship and I've been sternly warned by my wife to not even discuss with my little (2nd) cousin anything that could remotely construed as political or sociological or economic.  I can't even really talk to her about her freshman year at Texas Tech because her mom just butts in with how her liberal professors are all crazy but she loves her all-white sorority (I have to periodically remind my cousin though that her anti-Mexican rants are curious since you know...her mother was from Mexico). 

So yeah, obviously I won't bring up politics.  But it's the way Trumpers can bring back any topic to him somehow, either how much he is to be credited for that thing you just said, or how that thing you just said is obviously a slight in the President's direction.  That's what baffles me.  /rant

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Thanksgiving - the trumpers and clinton hanger-ons were eager for Sanders' blood. "That Bernie Sanders is a soze-shuh-list. You like that soze-shuh-list, doen-chu?" with smirks all around. 

"Why in fact I do. I am glad you are here - driving on public roads. That's socialism. And the Medicare Aunty loves so much- socialism. Public Schools - socialism. Fire and police? Socialism.

Trump, in fact supports all of those socialist programs. And, Uncle Mayo, Hillary supports the same socialist programs as Trump.  Now, anyone want any pecan pie?"  Ended that hubris for the rest of the day.

When a defense contractor's commercial for socialism appeared during football, the only sane one - a 14 year old Ariana Grande loving cousin - stared straight ahead and said "Ariana loves Bernie and so do I."  Smart kid. American politics.

I will make them all Bernie Sanders voters by the end of Christmas Dinner. I know they are coming with some fantastical ideas of how they will stick me - like, "oh no, no, no - Medicare isn't socialism. I paid for it!" No - you didn't. You paid into a socialized medical insurance fund, but you are able to take out far more than you take in. The risk is socialized. That's socialism. 

And before you insert foot into mouth - this is from the Mises Institute - a libertarian think tank that  understands well what is and is not socialism. Tangling with libertarians can be fun, if you understand the terminology and the economic system they desire, but they understand Medicare and SS are socialism and have the courage to say it:

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Few Dare Call it Socialism: Social Security and Medicare" 

Whatever one might say about liberals (i.e., leftists or progressives), one thing is certain: When it comes to socialism, they get it. They understand that welfare-state programs like Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. That’s fine by them because they love socialism.

. . .So, here you have a leftist making a very logical argument -  essentially saying, “Given that you conservatives love Medicare, which guarantees government health care for seniors, why not love it even more by expanding it to everyone?”

It’s a good question! In other words, if you love socialism, why settle for just a little socialism? Why not go further and embrace more socialism?

For a conservative to be skewered by a liberal in that way has got to be painful. What does the conservative say in response? All he can say is, “No, I’m a small-socialism conservative, not a big socialism conservative.” That’s got to be embarrassing.

You see, the way conservatives have gotten around this problem for decades is by simply saying that Social Security and Medicare are part of America’s “free enterprise” system. The word “socialism” to describe these two programs has been absolutely verboten — stricken from the conservative vocabulary when it comes to Social Security and Medicare — because conservatives did not want to be perceived to be advocates of socialism. By not daring to use the world socialism to describe these two socialist programs, conservatives felt that they could just keep advocating “free enterprise” and socialism at the same time.

In fact, that’s one of the big reasons why conservatives have harbored a deep resentment against us libertarians. Long ago, we called them out on their devotion to socialism and they have never forgiven us. In my article yesterday I described this conservative phenomenon as the “life of the lie,” a life that culminated in 2016 with the presidential election of conservative leader Donald Trump.

 

https://mises.org/wire/few-dare-call-it-socialism-social-security-and-medicare

 

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4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

^

at this holiday season, I vote for alcohol and silence.  

Those two things rarely last long when combined in practice. 

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On December 1, 2019 at 1:19 PM, bolverk said:

True story: I have the Civil War chess set from the Franklin Mint - except the pieces are made of pewter. It was the best birthday present I ever got.

Have you seen this yet? The best part is that Pence is a queen. 

 

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I don't give a shit what any of my family members believe and avoid political talk when I can. When my mom/Dad and other family members on opposing sides start getting animated, I leave or just ignore.

I can't believe how anyone would HATE or just refuse to be around someone just because of who they vote for believe in politically.  Now if they're over the top, in your face, and can't open their mouths without spewing that shit? Sure.  But I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because IF it's brought up, she's super Trumpster supporter...She usually won't mention it until someone else does.

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I don't give a shit what any of my family members believe and avoid political talk when I can. When my mom/Dad and other family members on opposing sides start getting animated, I leave or just ignore.
I can't believe how anyone would HATE or just refuse to be around someone just because of who they vote for believe in politically.  Now if they're over the top, in your face, and can't open their mouths without spewing that shit? Sure.  But I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because IF it's brought up, she's super Trumpster supporter...She usually won't mention it until someone else does.
Must be nice to be above it all.

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Wife’s aunt wrapped all her gifts in official Trump wrapping paper. She’s scammed disability for years and is an oxy addict.
 

Dude. That’s the Trump base in a nutshell.

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14 hours ago, Lobo said:

I can't even really talk to her about her freshman year at Texas Tech because her mom just butts in with how her liberal professors are all crazy but she loves her all-white sorority

Did you at least mention to her that you’re thinking about renting a place down at Padre near the beach over spring break, and that she and her sorority were welcome to use it?

Asking for a friend.  

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1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

Wife’s aunt wrapped all her gifts in official Trump wrapping paper. She’s scammed disability for years and is an oxy addict.

Report her. 

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On 12/2/2019 at 12:08 PM, Born to Run said:

Micheal Berry.

That’s a shit stirring douche, fuck him

he need to go back trolling Montrose bars and get off the air 

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Sister and BIL that are heavy into the Cowboy Church (Sid Miller) and Trump have gone radio silent the last couple of months. Not sure if it's anger or shame.

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All this! what you all are talking about! carries over to church family as well. My wife and I are the blueberry in the tomato soup. As far as family - immediate are all moderate or liberal. Cousins, and outside circle are full blown Trumpers. Fox News lovers. But they would be Trumpers if Trump was Hitler, as long as he had an R by his name. Very hard to be around, so we avoid.

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I don't give a shit what any of my family members believe and avoid political talk when I can. When my mom/Dad and other family members on opposing sides start getting animated, I leave or just ignore.
I can't believe how anyone would HATE or just refuse to be around someone just because of who they vote for believe in politically.  Now if they're over the top, in your face, and can't open their mouths without spewing that shit? Sure.  But I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because IF it's brought up, she's super Trumpster supporter...She usually won't mention it until someone else does.

It isn’t hard to understand. A political difference that includes xenophobia and the suppression of others crosses the line for some of us.


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I don't give a shit what any of my family members believe and avoid political talk when I can. When my mom/Dad and other family members on opposing sides start getting animated, I leave or just ignore.
I can't believe how anyone would HATE or just refuse to be around someone just because of who they vote for believe in politically.  Now if they're over the top, in your face, and can't open their mouths without spewing that shit? Sure.  But I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because IF it's brought up, she's super Trumpster supporter...She usually won't mention it until someone else does.

It isn’t hard to understand. A political difference that includes xenophobia and the suppression of others crosses the line for some of us.


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19 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Wife’s aunt wrapped all her gifts in official Trump wrapping paper. She’s scammed disability for years and is an oxy addict.

 

This is the human version of a red state. 

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On 12/24/2019 at 9:46 PM, tx 3 putt said:

That’s a shit stirring douche, fuck him

he need to go back trolling Montrose bars and get off the air 

Studied law at UT iirc. 
 

Trolling Montrose bars, do tell. I assume back when he was a local politician? 

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On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 2:43 PM, Nivek said:


It isn’t hard to understand. A political difference that includes xenophobia and the suppression of others crosses the line for some of us.

 

Sure.  But, as I flat said, I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because she supports trump.  I clearly said if was over the top or she wouldn't shut up about it, It would make my visits even less frequent...but to say you'd cut off your family just because they don't follow the same political beliefs shows that you're probably not as tolerant as you wish they were.

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On 12/24/2019 at 8:04 PM, CooterBrown said:

Wife’s aunt wrapped all her gifts in official Trump wrapping paper. She’s scammed disability for years and is an oxy addict.

 

If she can still do that thing with her one good hand, post pics.  

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1 hour ago, Drew said:

Sure.  But, as I flat said, I'm not going to stop going to my moms house because she supports trump.  I clearly said if was over the top or she wouldn't shut up about it, It would make my visits even less frequent...but to say you'd cut off your family just because they don't follow the same political beliefs shows that you're probably not as tolerant as you wish they were.

If your mom was a child molester would you still go see her? Because this isn't like that at all. 

But your mom is still a racist dumb cunt it appears. 

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I have relatives who are Trump supporters.  I'm not going to shut them out, as long as they don't spend the holidays/family time bashing me personally.

I'm even cool with them making "People's Republic of Austin" jokes, because jokes on them, they are the ones taking socialist handouts.

Speaking of, I'm in East Texas right now, and while it's still early in the campaign season (j/k Donnie never stopped), I'm seeing a lot fewer visible signs of Trump support than I did back in mid/late 2016.  Either they are too embarrassed, or they are not as enthusiastic about Trump.

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59 minutes ago, Burt said:

It'll pick up come next spring. 

That's my thinking. It was funny to see a black man at the record store with a Trump 2020 hat on today.

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18 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

That's my thinking. It was funny to see a black man at the record store with a Trump 2020 hat on today.

Poor white trash has been voting against their better interest for going on 3 decades. A black man may as well do it, too.

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14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 Either they are too embarrassed, or they are not as enthusiastic about Trump.

In focus groups in the Midwest, people apparently would not admit to voting for the Dotard until someone finally broke the ice. Then one by one they all started admitting it. At the end, it was like 90% trumpkins. 
 

This is our concern dude. 

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

In focus groups in the Midwest, people apparently would not admit to voting for the Dotard until someone finally broke the ice. Then one by one they all started admitting it. At the end, it was like 90% trumpkins. 

This is our concern dude. 

They were enthusiastic in 2016 to show up and vote.  Hillary ain't on the ballot, and things haven't gone well for many since then.  Many couldn't be bothered to show up in 2018, no matter how many personal appearances Dotard made.

77,000 votes in three states which trended left.

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On December 28, 2019 at 11:34 AM, atomheartbevo said:

They were enthusiastic in 2016 to show up and vote.  Hillary ain't on the ballot, and things haven't gone well for many since then.  Many couldn't be bothered to show up in 2018, no matter how many personal appearances Dotard made.

77,000 votes in three states which trended left.

Trump wasn't on the ballot in 2018 either. I think it's reasonable to assume that impacted the turnout of Trump supporters too. I don't think it's safe to assume the same will be true in 2020. 

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Trump wasn't on the ballot in 2018 either. I think it's reasonable to assume that impacted the turnout of Trump supporters too. I don't think it's safe to assume the same will be true in 2020. 
Then that makes them either lazy or apathetic in 2018, which caused them to lose control of the House. How motivated are people going to be to get four more years of Trump making a mockery of the Oval Office? He had the luxury of being somewhat of an outsider and political unknown in 2016. His approval percentage has been at 41% since being elected and despite what his rallies portray, he's not bringing in new voters. He's a has been and a fraud, the GOP's best hope is to keep pumping full of Big Macs and Adderall.

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