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41 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Sent our friends a message an hour ago and no response. Hope they aren’t dead.

I can't imagine being stuck on that boat

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54 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

I can't imagine being stuck on that boat

What if they died and their version of hell ended up being stuck on a cruise ship

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Is everyone who has been to China being tested at airports or just people who have been to Wuhan? There are now 1006 known cases in Zhejiang province, 1,018  cases in Guangdong province and 914 cases in Henan province.

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18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Is everyone who has been to China being tested at airports or just people who have been to Wuhan? There are now 1006 known cases in Zhejiang province, 1,018  cases in Guangdong province and 914 cases in Henan province.

No foreign nationals who have been to China are being admitted into the US (Chinese are foreign nationals)

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s not what he asked though. Not sure if wuhan or those other places are big tourism or business destinations for Americans. 

Any American who has been to Wuhan province are being quarantined for 14 days. Anyone who has been to a China is subject to health screenings

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27 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Any American who has been to Wuhan province are being quarantined for 14 days. Anyone who has been to a China is subject to health screenings

Dika Flicka 

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23 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Any American who has been to Wuhan province are being quarantined for 14 days. Anyone who has been to a China is subject to health screenings

Yeah, taking a temperature is not really a health screening. But aside from that, just because the US is doing it doesn't mean that Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand and the EU are doing it. And I doubt India, Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia are doing it. If it spreads significantly to any of those countries we are kind of fucked. We are on the verge of this becoming an international crisis. China has to get it under control.

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Singapore and Taiwan have flat blocked arrivals from China or entry from anyone who's been in China. They don't want anything to do with this cluster.

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My greatest fear is this spreading to a place like Syria, Afghanistan, Venezuela, or Nigeria and having to watch is devastate their populations without the benefit of medical care and facilities you can find in Europe, NA or most of the Pacific Rim countries.

 

Banning travel to and from China is a major step to limit the spread, but unfortunately now we have to be careful about travel from countries closely linked to China as well.

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So for everyone bashing China for transparency...  Florida doesn't want tourism effected ... lots of cruises, hotels, and theme parks on the line...  Seems like there is a case(s) here, but Florida won't say.

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Florida health officials say state law prevents them from telling the public about suspected cases of coronavirus, yet the state regularly revealed that information during the Zika crisis three years ago.

The state put out daily updates about the Zika virus, informing the public of suspected as well as confirmed cases. The law was the same then.

U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, who was Florida’s governor at the time, said Florida should be as transparent now with coronavirus as it was with Zika. Scott is urging the same transparency for federal officials.

Daniel Dawes, a lawyer and professor of complex health systems at Nova Southeastern University, said he too would like to see more openness with the coronavirus, which originated in China and now has spread to 28 countries.

 

“I understand [Florida health officials] not wanting to get folks too concerned or scared, but as a citizen, I want to know if there are pending cases out there,” Dawes said. “If there are more pending cases in one part of the state than the other, I want to know that. If a test doesn’t lead to positive, I want to know that, too. I think Florida owes it to its citizens to be open with information so they can protect themselves.”

 

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So CNN reporting another cruise ship, this one in NJ, with possible cases. This gets into the swamps of Florida and the streets of Newark we are fucked! 

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400 million people - more than the entire population of the USA - locked down over a flu virus that supposedly has only killed around 600 people.  Yeah, that makes sense.

Edited by bernorange

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5 minutes ago, bernorange said:

 

400 million people - more that the entire population of the USA - locked down over a flu virus that supposedly has only killed around 600 people.  Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, something isn't adding up here

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2 minutes ago, strangulation! said:

In a country that doesn’t value life that highly 

But they do love oppressing people.  So maybe this makes sense after all.

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6 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Yeah, something isn't adding up here


Doesn’t sound good, but when you rule in a totalitarian society, it’s more important to segregate and localize problems so people don’t connect and join in revolt. China will probably go with an “us” vs. “them” strategy with lockdowns so the people seem ‘weak’ not the government

 

...or maybe were all dead And don’t know it yet.

Edited by Doc Reeves

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3 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:


... when you rule in a totalitarian society, it’s more important to segregate and localize problems ..

You forgot "eliminate".

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Over the past couple of weeks, Chinese citizen journalists Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin have served as the world’s eyes and ears inside the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, the city of Wuhan. Broadcasting via their mobile phones, they’ve offered a glimpse of how dire things have been. Many of those videos have been posted to Twitter and reposted on YouTube.

Now one of them is missing.

Chen has been out of reach for more than 20 hours. Fang, who was silent much of Friday until a video posted in the evening, was previously detained briefly by authorities for his video of corpses in a hospital. When he filmed the dramatic moment people in hazmat suits broke down his apartment door to take him into quarantine, it sparked hundreds of comments urging the authorities to release him.

It’s no accident that their posts grew viral on American platforms. China’s internet watchdog has stepped up its policing efforts, announcing on Wednesday it would conduct “targeted supervision” on the largest social media platforms including Weibo, Tencent’s WeChat and ByteDance’s Douyin. The regulator has already frozen a raft of social media accounts, then stepped up online scrubbing to quiet a wave of confused outrage over the death of the doctor that first raised red flags about the disease.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-07/two-citizen-journalists-covering-virus-go-missing-in-china

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23 minutes ago, bernorange said:

 

400 million people - more than the entire population of the USA - locked down over a flu virus that supposedly has only killed around 600 people.  Yeah, that makes sense.

i need a citation on that 400m number...ive seen mid 30s, 40s and 50s reported before (so assume it is even about 75m now) - there is a HUGE gap between 75 million and 400 million.

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28 minutes ago, bernorange said:

 

400 million people - more than the entire population of the USA - locked down over a flu virus that supposedly has only killed around 600 people.  Yeah, that makes sense.

That 600 number is probably a lot higher. That twitter post a page back or so shows a guy proving the numbers being released are too perfect to be real 

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4 minutes ago, NoName said:

i need a citation on that 400m number...ive seen mid 30s, 40s and 50s reported before (so assume it is even about 75m now) - there is a HUGE gap between 75 million and 400 million.

Yeah, I don't know how she arrived at that.  Accoding to Wikipedia, the 2015 census showed 58.5 million people in Hubei province which is essentially all locked down now.  The twitter I referenced earlier adds another 14 million to that.  Still, assuming a number close to 75 million, it's still a bit outrageous if the official numbers about deaths is to be believed.

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3 minutes ago, bernorange said:

Yeah, I don't know how she arrived at that.  Accoding to Wikipedia, the 2015 census showed 58.5 million people in Hubei province which is essentially all locked down now.  The twitter I referenced earlier adds another 14 million to that.  Still, assuming a number close to 75 million, it's still a bit outrageous if the official numbers about deaths is to be believed.

Your catastrophe mongering is starting to reach fever pitch. 

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23 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

That 600 number is probably a lot higher. That twitter post a page back or so shows a guy proving the numbers being released are too perfect to be real 

2.1% is the new 3.50. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Loco said:

meanwhile 10,000 people have died in the US from the flu...  

Now imagine if the entire country of China wasn’t quarantined from the the US
 

 

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1 hour ago, bernorange said:

 

400 million people - more than the entire population of the USA - locked down over a flu virus that supposedly has only killed around 600 people.  Yeah, that makes sense.

I predicted this. And yes it does make sense. The disease has a significant mortality rate and very high morbidity (as in a whole lot of people require hospitalization and breathing assistance). If it isn't stopped now, it isn't going to be stopped. 

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12 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Now imagine if the entire country of China wasn’t quarantined from the the US
 

 

before or after the coronavirus already spread?

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Also look for Hangzhou and Ningbo and Wenzhou to be quarantined, soon.

Edited by Bevo

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1 hour ago, The People’s Elbow said:

Your catastrophe mongering is starting to reach fever pitch. 

Can  we get an IP check?  Username suggests red ChiComs or NBA.

Edited by clapclapclap
Nice try, Chairman Yao

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Chinese Authorities Say Someone Caught Coronavirus After Being Exposed for Just 15 Seconds

Several cases of rapid infection have been reported as China scrambles to contain the epidemic.

Feb 6 2020, 7:45am

 

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Authorities in China say that a coronavirus patient was infected after just 15 seconds of contact with a sick person.

Officials said that a 56-year-old man in the eastern province of Zhejiang was caught on surveillance cameras visiting a vegetable market late last month.

At the time the man had no symptoms, and had not come in contact with any infected people or traveled outside of his region during the previous 14 days. But he was seen standing next to a woman in a market stall for 15 seconds before departing again without buying anything.

The woman has since been shown to have had the virus at the time. Neither was wearing a mask. On Tuesday the man was diagnosed with coronavirus and quarantined.

The details of the infection were reported by the Jiangbei health commission in the coastal city of Ningbo in eastern China and reported by Chinese state media. It is unclear how the local health commission concluded that the market encounter was the source of the man’s infection.

A day later, officials in Zhejiang announced severe travel restrictions in Ningbo and three other cities in Zhejiang province — even though the region has yet to record a single death from the virus and is over 350 miles from the epicenter in Hubei, where 14 cities and 50 million people are in lockdown.

A second case of rapid infection was reported in Zhejiang on Wednesday.

A man in Hangzhou was reportedly infected after spending just 50 seconds with a confirmed patient at a hospital in the city when neither of them were wearing masks, based on surveillance camera footage reviewed by officials. Again, the man had no prior contact with infected patients and had not traveled outside the region, according to a report by Beijing Evening News.

Authorities in Zhejiang have shut down public transport, closed “unessential” public venues — and even banned funerals and weddings — in the cities of Ningbo, Wenzhou, Hangzhou, and Taizhou, which have a combined population of around 30 million.

Each household has also been issued a “passport” that allows just one person per home to go outside every two days to buy necessities.

Chinese authorities, stinging from criticism that their delayed response to the outbreak allowed it to spread so quickly, have been taking drastic measures to try to contain the epidemic — but so far these measures are just not working.

On Thursday the death toll spiked again with 73 new cases, bringing the total to 565. Confirmed infections have now passed 28,000 — the youngest of whom is a newborn baby — with another 25,000 suspected cases.

But, a public health expert in London, who has been modeling infection rates in China, suggests that the official figures are publicizing only a small fraction of the overall infection rate because authorities there are focusing on only the severe infections.

“We think 10% or less of all infections in China are being detected at the current time,” Neil Ferguson, a professor at the faculty of medicine at Imperial College London, said in a video posted on YouTube. “The next step down is what is being detected overseas, there we think sensitivity is somewhat higher, but still we may be detecting only a quarter of all infections.”

Ferguson added that “we estimate that maybe up to 50,000 new infections a day occurring in China which is obviously much larger than the official case numbers. We think the epidemic is roughly doubling in size every five days.”

“It is hard to evaluate how effective controls are, but there is limited evidence of it slowing in China,” Ferguson said.

Ferguson said that the infection rate is likely to peak in Hubei province in about a month and in the whole of China a month or two after that.

READ: ‘Of course we're panicking:’ Here's what it’s like inside Wuhan’s coronavirus quarantine zone

Internationally, the virus continues to spread, with 216 cases confirmed in 24 countries, including deaths in Hong Kong and the Philippines.

On Thursday Saudi Arabia became the latest country to suspend travel to China, and at least nine countries are denying entry to travelers from the country — including the U.S.

KLM and Air France added their names to a list of at least 25 airlines that have suspended or reduced flights to and from China. However, given how porous international borders are, and how long it takes for symptoms of the coronavirus to appear, the threat remains.

“The rest of the world will see epidemics at various times after [the peak in China] depending on how many travelers have come to [the countries] in the past few weeks from China,” Ferguson said.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v747jx/chinese-authorities-say-it-takes-just-15-seconds-for-coronavirus-to-spread

 

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4 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Can  we get an IP check?  Username suggests red ChiComs or NBA.

TPE used to work with GGW, I think.

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

So CNN reporting another cruise ship, this one in NJ, with possible cases. This gets into the swamps of Florida and the streets of Newark we are fucked! 

Of course it's going to be the fucking 'cruisers' of the world responsible for spreading this shit everywhere.  Fitting.

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45 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Chinese Authorities Say Someone Caught Coronavirus After Being Exposed for Just 15 Seconds

So, what this tells most Surly posters is -- it CAN be sexually transmitted.

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21 January

Total at the end of the day: 329 cases, 6 deaths

7 February

There are currently 31,532 confirmed cases worldwide, including 639 fatalities.

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3 hours ago, strangulation! said:

In a country that doesn’t value life that highly 

What? You mean that the one child policy was a great humanitarian asset to the world?

Edited by workswithseed

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There are 428 Americans on the cruise ship docked in Japan.  If I was Trump, I would send a military ship to get those folks off that boat.  There has to be some US military base in the area where they could quarantine those folks and get them better care than being stuck on a cruise ship.

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6 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

There are 428 Americans on the cruise ship docked in Japan.  If I was Trump, I would send a military ship to get those folks off that boat.  There has to be some US military base in the area where they could quarantine those folks and get them better care than being stuck on a cruise ship.

As long as you bill them for it.  Also why risk exposing our military?   This is NOT ebola   Personal responsibility and what not.

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2 hours ago, Loco said:

meanwhile 10,000 people have died in the US from the flu...  

Yeah, but the flu is in full Tom Herman with the lead mode whereas Coronavirus is like 2nd half Mike Leach on a really good acid trip.

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1 minute ago, Loco said:

As long as you bill them for it.  Also why risk exposing our military?   This is NOT ebola   Personal responsibility and what not.

This.

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54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, what this tells most Surly posters is -- it CAN be sexually transmitted.

to multiple partners

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1 minute ago, Cajun said:

Yeah, but the flu is in full Tom Herman with the lead mode whereas Coronavirus is like 2nd half Mike Leach on a really good acid trip.

???  So you're saying we'll enjoy the coronavirus more?

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On 2/6/2020 at 10:27 AM, Pato del Muerto said:

No, fool. Helotes. 

Well, sheiiiiit, why didn't you say so?

John T Floore is a good friend of Ed Clements I'll bet!

Anywhere but Stone Oak is ok by me.

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14 minutes ago, Loco said:

???  So you're saying we'll enjoy the coronavirus more?

Depends what your definition of "enjoy" is.

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28 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Well, sheiiiiit, why didn't you say so?

John T Floore is a good friend of Ed Clements I'll bet!

Anywhere but Stone Oak is ok by me.

“John T. Floore’s Country Store and the John T. Floore’s audience!”

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9 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

“John T. Floore’s Country Store and the John T. Floore’s audience!”

I hate myself everytime I don't switch the station on old Ed.

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