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2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don

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Not sure who else is watching Biden in his press conference, but so far he's been pretty fucking impressive. I realize it's such a low bar considering what we're used to, but the's given thoughtful, reasonable answers to everything. He's showing courtesy and respect to reporters. He's being clear and concise and outlying some of his policy. If this is the guy who shows up to a debate in regards to answering questions and doesn't get flustered, this is promising. 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not sure who else is watching Biden in his press conference, but so far he's been pretty fucking impressive. I realize it's such a low bar considering what we're used to, but the's given thoughtful, reasonable answers to everything. He's showing courtesy and respect to reporters. He's being clear and concise and outlying some of his policy. If this is the guy who shows up to a debate in regards to answering questions and doesn't get flustered, this is promising. 

This is what I keep saying. Trying to paint him as too senile will backfire bigly 

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57 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

This is an amazing tweet. You love to see it!

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I really think the “floundering” Joe Biden commentary is due to 10 people yelling at once on stage and no direction.

 The man ran for President in 88 08 and 20 when there’s numerous people on stage and has been mostly unimpressive. When it has been 1 on 1 with him, he’s done pretty well from what I can remember (08 with Palin and 12 with Ryan). By putting the bar so low, if he can just remember peoples name it’s going to be characterized as a win.

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bottom line, he absolutely is NOT senile/does not have dementia/isn't losing his cognitive ability. 

he's old. he's slower. that's it. 

that narrative is so dumb...AND THAT'S NOT EVEN COMPARING HIM WITH THE DEMENTED EVIL POS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. 

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I will never understand the strategy behind dotard trying to say Joe Biden is senile. He’s just pointing out what a senile piece of narcissist shit he in fact is. Not a winning strategy.

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18 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I will never understand the strategy behind dotard trying to say Joe Biden is senile. He’s just pointing out what a senile piece of narcissist shit he in fact is. Not a winning strategy.

Remind me when Trump has ever had a long-term winning strategy in any of his endeavors. He always fails in the end.

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8 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I mean, he is the president. 

And he is failing pretty hard at it.

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37 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I will never understand the strategy behind dotard trying to say Joe Biden is senile. He’s just pointing out what a senile piece of narcissist shit he in fact is. Not a winning strategy.

Projecting is what Trump does.  So, that's his strategy.

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Remind me when Trump has ever had a long-term winning strategy in any of his endeavors. He always fails in the end.
Well he did have that run of walking up and grabbing women by the pussy. Though as I type this I definitely don't call that a winning strategy, but I'm assuming that's how he met each of his three wives.


I'll keep brainstorming.

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1 hour ago, G650 said:

And he is failing pretty hard at it.

he's a really good president, you just don't like his personality.

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I will never understand the strategy behind dotard trying to say Joe Biden is senile. He’s just pointing out what a senile piece of narcissist shit he in fact is. Not a winning strategy.
It's much less self owning than "make America great again" coming from an incumbent.

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

he's a really good president, you just don't like his personality.

 A really, really good President who's personality is very, very good?

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18 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Y'all remember in 08 when McCain gave up on Michigan and lost it bigly?

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14 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I mean, he is the president. 

The #1 goal of a first-term President is re-election.  We'll see how it turns out.

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14 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I mean, he is the president. 

That’s true but it fits the pattern of his life. Arrogantly con his way into something he doesn’t understand, completely fuck it up, then move onto the next con.

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8 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

That’s true but it fits the pattern of his life. Arrogantly con his way into something he doesn’t understand, completely fuck it up, then move onto the next con.

100% chance that Donald Trump feels his life has been very successful. Now go argue with an idiot about it and see where you end up. 

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12 hours ago, Macanudo said:

 A really, really good President who's personality is very, very good?

*whose

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Rasmussen doing their weekly "whoa, throttle it back a bit" move.

After having Trump at 49% approval and a dead heat in the horse race (Biden +2) last Wednesday, they've moderated to 45% and Biden +6 today.

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4 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said:

The #1 goal of a first-term President is re-election.  We'll see how it turns out.

Well that's been his #1 because he doesn't know how to be a President. 

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2 hours ago, Storm the Field said:

Rasmussen doing their weekly "whoa, throttle it back a bit" move.

After having Trump at 49% approval and a dead heat in the horse race (Biden +2) last Wednesday, they've moderated to 45% and Biden +6 today.

If I had to bet on where the race ends up that would be my bet right now. That being said I could see it being 13 points before I could imagine Trump winning. 
that poll doesn’t seem egregious to me. 

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/north-carolina-deluge-of-absentee-ballot-requests-shows-why-trumps-terrified-of-mail-in-voting?ref=home?ref=home

 

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We are in the midst of a massive transition to mail-in voting, one that was accelerated by the coronavirus. In the bellwether state of North Carolina, where Republicans will hold part of this year’s pandemic-disrupted convention, requests for absentee ballots have soared among registered Democrats from 6,868 in 2016 to 46,856 in 2020 while registered Republicans are seeing a modest jump from 6,736 in 2016 to 9,229 in 2020. 

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Unaffiliated voters, who don’t align with either major political party, have also requested an unprecedented number of absentee ballots, leaping from 4,546 in 2016 to 30,912 in 2020. So from roughly even starting numbers in 2016, Democratic and Unaffiliated voters’ requests are both up about 580 percent, while Republicans are up just 37 percent.

 

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“For the state, this is really unheard of,” says Michael Bitzer, a political science professor at Catawba college in Salisbury, North Carolina. “Typically, in a presidential year, 5 percent of the vote total is mail-in, and usually Republicans tend to dominate, and it turns into votes. It’s very much a Republican advantage while early voting is slightly more Democratic.” 

 

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While Democrats have ramped up voter registration, this grassroots surge appears to have been spurred by the virus and widespread discontent over President Trump’s failure to curb its spread rather than party efforts. 

With Trump regularly maligning mail-in voting, the state GOP has tried to insulate local elected officials from his ire. A recent mailing to registered Republicans features Trump tweeting, “Absentee Ballots are fine because you have to go through a precise process to get your voting privilege," while blocking out the second half of the tweet where he says, “Not so with Mail-ins. Rigged Election!!! 20% fraudulent ballots?” 

North Carolina allows any voter to request a mail-in absentee ballot, with the state Board of Election noting that “No special circumstance or reason is needed” for doing so. In the last two presidential elections, 2012 and 2016, over half of mail-in ballots were from registered Republicans, says Bitzer, who founded the Old North State Politics blog, which is tracking the number of absentee ballot requests.  He told the Daily Beast, “The surge of unaffiliated voters is something very new, but just because they’re unaffiliated doesn’t mean they’re not partisan. They just don’t like the (party) label, which is true of younger voters.”   

North Carolina sends out mail-in ballots on Sept. 4 to those who requested them. Early voting begins Oct. 15, three weeks before the election. “This is all kind of uncharted territory for North Carolina,” Bitzer says. “Is this voter intensity among Democrats who have their minds made up and don’t care what happens in October and November?  Or is it another group of voters worried about COVID who wanted the security of public health safety?” 

Also, how quickly will they return their mail-in ballot? Will they wait until the last minute, testing the capacity of local officials to deal with the deluge?  

“Trump is trying to sow seeds of doubt about the election, which is a typical authoritarian tactic—everybody and everything is corrupt all the time,” says Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow in the Governance Studies program at the Brookings Institution. “But local officials are not paying attention to Trump. He’s not the only one on the ballot, and at the state and local level, they’re good at harvesting mail-in votes.” 

Kamarck told The Daily Beast that the good news is that we’re in the midst of a massive transformation to mail-in voting, while “the bad news is stuff happens,” except she used a more graphic word and that’s what Trump will highlight. To combat the president’s exaggeration and misinformation, Kamarck urges a massive campaign to educate the public that a deluge of write-in votes means that the election results will not be known by Election Day night, or the morning after. 

It could take a week or even a month to tally the results in a close election as it has in New York where just 648 in-person votes separate Rep. Carolyn Maloney, a 14-term Democrat, from her challenger, 36-year-old Indian-American Siraj Patel, as of Tuesday, while 65,000 mail-in ballots are still being counted. Patei challenged a rule that mail-in ballots must have been postmarked by election day. Turns out the post office doesn’t always postmark third class mail, adding to the confusion. It took weeks for a winner to be declared in other contests in the state.

“My view if a ballot shows up and it’s without a postmark, it should be counted,” says Kamarck, but rules vary from state to state, adding to the confusion. Some states count ballots received up to 5 days after election day if they’re postmarked by election day. California counts ballots received up to 10 days after election day. 

The U.S. Constitution gives states the power to conduct elections, “and in a weird way you don’t want this federalized,” says Kamarck. “If we had one massive system, it would be easier for the Russians to screw it up.”  

States had a dry run in the primaries, “and they know where their choke points are,” says Kamarck. In Maryland, for example, a lot of people didn’t get the ballots they requested, and they went to in-person sites, which led to long waits. The lesson for election officials, says Kamarck, is that they can’t assume a surge in mail-in ballots will mean less in-person voting.  

That may be true in an upscale suburb, but not in a city like Baltimore. “If you’re poor, you move a lot. People just didn’t get their ballots. There are socio-economic aspects, and then there’s the stuff-happens aspect.” 

Oregon has been voting by mail for two decades, so voters there are acclimated. But there is a dirty little secret about voting in general, and mail-in voting in particular, that will get heightened scrutiny in this year’s election. Not every vote is counted unless a race is close. Once a pattern is established, and one candidate has an insurmountable lead, the counting ends.   

Trump and his allies might want to challenge every vote if his challenger doesn’t have a commanding enough margin to put any questions to rest. After evidence emerged of Russian interference in the 2016 election, 22 states began work to create a paper trail because of the fear that electronic transmission of votes could be easily hacked. 

What should we expect on Nov. 3 after the polls close? If there is a political landslide, we may still have a provisional winner that evening. If not, Kamarck envisions “a great big room under heavy guard in the state capitol (in battleground states) where people are counting actual paper ballots. It’s going to take a long time, but it’s going to give you a pretty secure result. Igor and Boris will have a hard time getting in that room.” 

And Donald too, though it won’t stop him from trying to create a scenario where he has weeks to talk about how the system was rigged against him and he actually won even before the people’s votes have actually been counted and no matter what that count shows.

 

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8 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Trump will later tweet: "Fake news! We are so confident in our position in Michigan that we are re-directing our resources to expand the map!"

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37 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/north-carolina-deluge-of-absentee-ballot-requests-shows-why-trumps-terrified-of-mail-in-voting?ref=home?ref=home

 

 

 

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While Democrats have ramped up voter registration, this grassroots surge appears to have been spurred by the virus and widespread discontent over President Trump’s failure to curb its spread rather than party efforts. 

With Trump regularly maligning mail-in voting, the state GOP has tried to insulate local elected officials from his ire. A recent mailing to registered Republicans features Trump tweeting, “Absentee Ballots are fine because you have to go through a precise process to get your voting privilege," while blocking out the second half of the tweet where he says, “Not so with Mail-ins. Rigged Election!!! 20% fraudulent ballots?” 

North Carolina allows any voter to request a mail-in absentee ballot, with the state Board of Election noting that “No special circumstance or reason is needed” for doing so. In the last two presidential elections, 2012 and 2016, over half of mail-in ballots were from registered Republicans, says Bitzer, who founded the Old North State Politics blog, which is tracking the number of absentee ballot requests.  He told the Daily Beast, “The surge of unaffiliated voters is something very new, but just because they’re unaffiliated doesn’t mean they’re not partisan. They just don’t like the (party) label, which is true of younger voters.”   

North Carolina sends out mail-in ballots on Sept. 4 to those who requested them. Early voting begins Oct. 15, three weeks before the election. “This is all kind of uncharted territory for North Carolina,” Bitzer says. “Is this voter intensity among Democrats who have their minds made up and don’t care what happens in October and November?  Or is it another group of voters worried about COVID who wanted the security of public health safety?” 

Also, how quickly will they return their mail-in ballot? Will they wait until the last minute, testing the capacity of local officials to deal with the deluge?  

“Trump is trying to sow seeds of doubt about the election, which is a typical authoritarian tactic—everybody and everything is corrupt all the time,” says Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow in the Governance Studies program at the Brookings Institution. “But local officials are not paying attention to Trump. He’s not the only one on the ballot, and at the state and local level, they’re good at harvesting mail-in votes.” 

Kamarck told The Daily Beast that the good news is that we’re in the midst of a massive transformation to mail-in voting, while “the bad news is stuff happens,” except she used a more graphic word and that’s what Trump will highlight. To combat the president’s exaggeration and misinformation, Kamarck urges a massive campaign to educate the public that a deluge of write-in votes means that the election results will not be known by Election Day night, or the morning after. 

It could take a week or even a month to tally the results in a close election as it has in New York where just 648 in-person votes separate Rep. Carolyn Maloney, a 14-term Democrat, from her challenger, 36-year-old Indian-American Siraj Patel, as of Tuesday, while 65,000 mail-in ballots are still being counted. Patei challenged a rule that mail-in ballots must have been postmarked by election day. Turns out the post office doesn’t always postmark third class mail, adding to the confusion. It took weeks for a winner to be declared in other contests in the state.

“My view if a ballot shows up and it’s without a postmark, it should be counted,” says Kamarck, but rules vary from state to state, adding to the confusion. Some states count ballots received up to 5 days after election day if they’re postmarked by election day. California counts ballots received up to 10 days after election day. 

The U.S. Constitution gives states the power to conduct elections, “and in a weird way you don’t want this federalized,” says Kamarck. “If we had one massive system, it would be easier for the Russians to screw it up.”  

States had a dry run in the primaries, “and they know where their choke points are,” says Kamarck. In Maryland, for example, a lot of people didn’t get the ballots they requested, and they went to in-person sites, which led to long waits. The lesson for election officials, says Kamarck, is that they can’t assume a surge in mail-in ballots will mean less in-person voting.  

That may be true in an upscale suburb, but not in a city like Baltimore. “If you’re poor, you move a lot. People just didn’t get their ballots. There are socio-economic aspects, and then there’s the stuff-happens aspect.” 

Oregon has been voting by mail for two decades, so voters there are acclimated. But there is a dirty little secret about voting in general, and mail-in voting in particular, that will get heightened scrutiny in this year’s election. Not every vote is counted unless a race is close. Once a pattern is established, and one candidate has an insurmountable lead, the counting ends.   

Trump and his allies might want to challenge every vote if his challenger doesn’t have a commanding enough margin to put any questions to rest. After evidence emerged of Russian interference in the 2016 election, 22 states began work to create a paper trail because of the fear that electronic transmission of votes could be easily hacked. 

What should we expect on Nov. 3 after the polls close? If there is a political landslide, we may still have a provisional winner that evening. If not, Kamarck envisions “a great big room under heavy guard in the state capitol (in battleground states) where people are counting actual paper ballots. It’s going to take a long time, but it’s going to give you a pretty secure result. Igor and Boris will have a hard time getting in that room.” 

And Donald too, though it won’t stop him from trying to create a scenario where he has weeks to talk about how the system was rigged against him and he actually won even before the people’s votes have actually been counted and no matter what that count shows.

 

Lot of dogs requesting ballots probably 

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Call me skeptical, but I don't trust mail in ballots at all. Voter suppression is real, and I wouldn't be surprised if mail in ballots are "lost", or purposefully destroyed in swing states. It's harder to publicly suppress voters who are going to the polls when there are cameras rolling.

I'm not sure how many states have early voting. California had it for the mid-term election which was nice because less crowds. I actually had a mail in ballot that I dropped off in person because I'm paranoid and don't trust the mail system.

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12 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Call me skeptical, but I don't trust mail in ballots at all. Voter suppression is real, and I wouldn't be surprised if mail in ballots are "lost", or purposefully destroyed in swing states. It's harder to publicly suppress voters who are going to the polls when there are cameras rolling.

I'm not sure how many states have early voting. California had it for the mid-term election which was nice because less crowds. I actually had a mail in ballot that I dropped off in person because I'm paranoid and don't trust the mail system.

I am a big conspiracy theorist on mail in ballots as well. I am absolutely voting in person because I want mine counted. 

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If true, the asshole is already trying to steal the election any way he can

 

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16 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Call me skeptical, but I don't trust mail in ballots at all. Voter suppression is real, and I wouldn't be surprised if mail in ballots are "lost", or purposefully destroyed in swing states. It's harder to publicly suppress voters who are going to the polls when there are cameras rolling.

I'm not sure how many states have early voting. California had it for the mid-term election which was nice because less crowds. I actually had a mail in ballot that I dropped off in person because I'm paranoid and don't trust the mail system.

Sadly, I'm in the same boat.  I'll be there in person.  I'm probably going to break a bottle on the way into the polling booth so I can also walk through glass to vote.  

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We need dropboxes for mail-in ballots.  In front of courthouses, for example.  Maybe post offices.  Or City Halls.

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12 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

We need dropboxes for mail-in ballots.  In front of courthouses, for example.  Maybe post offices.  Or City Halls.

There are drop boxes at polling places I believe. 
 

I’m getting a mail in ballot. I’m going to try to poll in person but I’ll have this as a backup. If I find and empty polling place in person I’ll go, and I take my mail in and a volunteer will destroy it. But I am pretty sure they also have drop boxes there. @StassneyHorn might know. 

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1 hour ago, Mapache said:

If true, the asshole is already trying to steal the election any way he can

 

seems legit

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Posted (edited)

Should be drop boxes, but I’d recommend anyone concerned contact their local clerk by phone to double check, https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/county.shtml

You can drop off an absentee ballot in person at your clerks office on Election Day. I’m not 100% sure about dropping it off in person early. Best bet is to check with your clerk’s office at the above link. The people who work there WANT to help and our MOTIVATED./trumpcapslock 

We have 6 extra days of early voting starting Oct 13th. In major counties like Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar, Travis and El Paso you can early vote at any location. There are website that show the wait times if you want to go in person and be in n out.

Most of all, if anyone asks when Election Day is, tell them it starts Oct 13  and last 3 weeks not November 4th. Get it done early

 

Edited by StassneyHorn

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2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Lot of dogs requesting ballots probably 

And toddlers and dead people. Don’t forget those. And illegals. Those are the only demographics that would support sleepy joe over dear leader. 

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1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

And toddlers and dead people. Don’t forget those. And illegals. Those are the only demographics that would support sleepy joe over dear leader. 

Do you have proof of this?

Of course not. 

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3 hours ago, Mapache said:

If true, the asshole is already trying to steal the election any way he can

 

 

The ballot doesn't need to arrive and be counted by election day. It only needs to be postmarked by then. See California 2018 and the trickle of ballots arriving until late November.

There's still a chance for shenanigans if the results are not decided by the time the Electoral College votes in December. We may be glad for the lame duck period. 

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Do you have proof of this?

Of course not. 

Fuck dude. I called Donald fucking trump dear leader. Which is used to refer to totalitarian fucking dictators you humorless fucking twit. It was mocking and ridiculing commander in Cheeto. Noted right wing reactionary Da Hobbs got it with the laughing emoji. 

Edited by Wulaw Horn

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4 hours ago, Mapache said:

If true, the asshole is already trying to steal the election any way he can

 



"Louis DeJoy an American businessman and Republican Party fundraiser who was appointed in May 2020 by unanimous selection of the Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service to serve as the 75th United States Postmaster General and Chief Executive Officer of the world's largest postal organization. Since January 2020, DeJoy has donated $360,000 to President Trump’s re-election campaign and roughly $70,000 to the Republican National Committee."

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36 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

 

The ballot doesn't need to arrive and be counted by election day. It only needs to be postmarked by then. See California 2018 and the trickle of ballots arriving until late November.

There's still a chance for shenanigans if the results are not decided by the time the Electoral College votes in December. We may be glad for the lame duck period. 

There’s actually quite a bit of nonsense on postmark dates and is not consistent at all amongst states.

The most common state deadline for election officials to receive absentee or mail ballots is on Election Day when the polls close. Some states, however, accept and count a mailed ballot if it is received after Election Day but postmarked prior to the election.”

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-11-receipt-and-postmark-deadlines-for-absentee-ballots.aspx

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18 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

There’s actually quite a bit of nonsense on postmark dates and is not consistent at all amongst states.

The most common state deadline for election officials to receive absentee or mail ballots is on Election Day when the polls close. Some states, however, accept and count a mailed ballot if it is received after Election Day but postmarked prior to the election.”

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-11-receipt-and-postmark-deadlines-for-absentee-ballots.aspx

I did not know that. I assumed it was postmark date everywhere. That’s a bad law otherwise. 

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I did not know that. I assumed it was postmark date everywhere. That’s a bad law otherwise. 

In Texas, it must be received by Election Day.


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31 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:



"Louis DeJoy an American businessman and Republican Party fundraiser who was appointed in May 2020 by unanimous selection of the Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service to serve as the 75th United States Postmaster General and Chief Executive Officer of the world's largest postal organization. Since January 2020, DeJoy has donated $360,000 to President Trump’s re-election campaign and roughly $70,000 to the Republican National Committee."

I'm betting he's no Wilford Brimley

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4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:


In Texas, it must be received by Election Day.


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The chart said 5:00 pm the day after the election, but point taken (and the chart could be wrong).

does the same apply to, say, military ballots or the like?

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