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7 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

They had to make this move, he was clearly the worst commissioner in the Power Five, and it isn't even close, and possibly the entire FBS.   Additionally, they start negotiations in a year for their next decade of media contracts.   They need to right their ship fast.

 

Scott managed to build a PACn that was not on the basic cable packages in-footprint.  That seems self-defeating.  

 

Although I'm unsure where the ACCn starts in-footprint. 

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A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

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Recently saw a comment about future structure of CFB and how the B12 and PAC12 should merge somehow...

With all the political crap going on out West, I just don't expect to see TEXAS or blOU agree to risk their football future by being part of a PAC12/B12 merger. 

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Recently saw a comment about future structure of CFB and how the B12 and PAC12 should merge somehow...

With all the political crap going on out West, I just don't expect to see TEXAS or blOU agree to risk their football future by being part of a PAC12/B12 merger. 

Still got my marker that they combine their media rights, but stay separate conferences 

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1 minute ago, Thiefery said:

would that mean one OOC game between them every season?

It isn't necessary, but definitely feasible since you could sell more rights.   Non-cons, outside made for TV, are worth half of nothing.   Conference games make all the money.   But if you knew you could schedule 10 Big12/Pac12 games a year on top of 198 conference games it wouldn't be worth less.

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2 hours ago, Somnio said:

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

Fuck Missouri. They made their beds. Never.

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On 1/23/2021 at 8:43 PM, Somnio said:

A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

Maybe XII just reforms the league after pulling the crown jewels out west...

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Signs a long term deal with ESPN, who has helped branding of ACC/ SEC...

Comparative bowl game records since 2000:

The top tier of XVI would sit competitive:

Oregon: - 10W/10L - 0 national titles...
Oklahoma: 10W/ 11L - 1 national title...
Texas: 14W/4L - 1 national title...
USC: 10W/6L - 2 national titles...

Versus the best of ACC (ESPN partner):

Virginia Tech: 9W/11L - 0 national titles...
Miami: 7W/12L - 1 national title...
Florida State: 12W/8L - 2 national titles...
Clemson: 13W/ 11L - 2 national titles...

Versus the best of SEC (ESPN partner):

Auburn: 10W/9L - 1 national title...
Florida: 11W/8L - 2 national titles...
LSU: 14W/7L - 2 national titles...

(wait for it)...

Alabama: 16W/8L - 6 national titles...

Maybe all should worry about B1G foes:

Ohio State: 12W/ 10L - 2 national titles...
Nebraska: 8W/8L - 0 national titles...
Penn State: 7W/7L - 0 national titles...

(wait for it)...

Michigan: 6W/12L - 0 national titles...
 

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There was an article about the PAC and it's plan with it's new media deal coming up.  They will resign the GOR agreement and they expect a 39% increase... because that was the MLB model for it's recent deals.

39% increase is a bold projection

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1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

There was an article about the PAC and it's plan with it's new media deal coming up.  They will resign the GOR agreement and they expect a 39% increase... because that was the MLB model for it's recent deals.

39% increase is a bold projection

Its actually probably market and will depend on what they do with PacN.   If they package it together and bundle it off, like BTN/SECN, it will increase because they'll be on more TVs and if they shutter the PacN and go the ACCN/B12 version on ESPN, it will increase because they'll use less inventory for it, meaning they'll have more to sell on their next contract (e.g. take 108 games to market over 96, etc).

Their current media deal averaged about $22m over the span, so a 40% boost would net $31m average.   While I'd say that puts them back in the game, the B1G and Big12 will be getting at least that too.

The thing is, I'm not sure that's enough to dig the Pac out

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18 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Its actually probably market and will depend on what they do with PacN.   If they package it together and bundle it off, like BTN/SECN, it will increase because they'll be on more TVs and if they shutter the PacN and go the ACCN/B12 version on ESPN, it will increase because they'll use less inventory for it, meaning they'll have more to sell on their next contract (e.g. take 108 games to market over 96, etc).

Their current media deal averaged about $22m over the span, so a 40% boost would net $31m average.   While I'd say that puts them back in the game, the B1G and Big12 will be getting at least that too.

The thing is, I'm not sure that's enough to dig the Pac out

yeah it seems like they are stuck because of geography..  They can have marquee games at 3:30 pm, but that's also the same time slot the SEC puts it's marquee matchup.  People on the East coast tune out the 10:30pm kickoffs.  Not sure what they can do but the Big 12 does look to be in a better spot when it comes time to negotiate the new media deal.  

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On 1/23/2021 at 8:43 PM, Somnio said:

A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

Replace baylor with, well, anybody, and I'm okay with this.  Probably won't happen, but I would like it. 

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If I remember correctly, the talk was always of Texas joining the PAC as those schools lined up best academically.  I believe that plays a larger part than what fans realize. OU isn’t leaving without Okie St, so there would need to be one additional school.  I’d say Baylor fits that best at the moment now that eATMe flew the coop.  

With the PAC not doing as well, perhaps this would be an opportunity to negotiate with better leverage. I don’t think the Longhorn Network would be the hanging point it was the last time realignment was being talked about. 
 
A PAC-16 (or rename it to something more fitting and get rid of the stupid number in the name) divined in east-west divisions.  East being comprised of Texas, OU, Okie St, Baylor, Ariz, Ariz St, Colorado, and Utah.
Who knows, still have around 3 years to figure it out. 

Baylor in the PAC! lololololololololololololololololololololololol

End of the entire universe will happen first!
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I still like the idea of the Pac-12 getting the best of the Big XII and becoming the Pac-18. You get three time zones to have at your control. UT/Tech, OU/OSU, KU/ISU make up a division where everyone plays each other annually. Keep the current Pac-12 divisions as is. Each division plays 2 teams from the other two divisions, so you have 9 conference games. No kickoff after 7pm CST or before noon PST. Then, for football, the two best division winners play each other for the conference title.

In hoops, each divisional team plays each other twice, then play the other 12 teams once for a 22 game conference schedule. 

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9 hours ago, General Specific said:

Is this the new ‚ÄúUrban to Texas‚ÄĚ thread?

Where’s the usual suspects and subjects?

Anybody ask Futureman his position, fist in or out?

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

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11 hours ago, JWinTX said:

I still like the idea of the Pac-12 getting the best of the Big XII and becoming the Pac-18. You get three time zones to have at your control. UT/Tech, OU/OSU, KU/ISU make up a division where everyone plays each other annually. Keep the current Pac-12 divisions as is. Each division plays 2 teams from the other two divisions, so you have 9 conference games. No kickoff after 7pm CST or before noon PST. Then, for football, the two best division winners play each other for the conference title.

In hoops, each divisional team plays each other twice, then play the other 12 teams once for a 22 game conference schedule. 

 

this is a stupid idea

the worst teams in the PAC 12 are flat ass broke compared to the Big 12 and it is only getting worse for them and their ability to compete is going down the drain

next last time I checked if you divide a (shitty) 18 team conference in half that means you have 9 teams in each division.....then you subtract one from that because a team does not play a game against themselves (besides aggy that starts every season 1-0) that leaves 8 games you would play in your division......then if you play two teams from the other division that means you have 10 conference games not 9

nine conference games is a shitty enough idea as it is from a long term conference competitive standpoint so 10 games would suck total cocks and the conference would go to shit immediately

the same is true for playing a totally and completely idiotic 22 game conference basketball schedule......that is a fantastic way to have a conference filled with teams that totally suck ass year in and year out and never become competitive and in fact become less competitive until the conference falls apart

never mind playing 8 conference games against teams that are mostly the same teams you play in the Big 12 (along with some of the least desirable and least financially viable PAC 12 teams like CU and Utah) would be a shit idea just to play the (few) desirable teams in the other division once every 20 years or so

the SEC SEC SEC is a joke as it is with teams not playing but every 12 years or so and it is all the more stupid for an 18 team conference to form and make that worse

the best thing for Texas long term and the Big 12 or any teams in the Big 12 is to let the PAC 12 rot and become less and less competitive and less and less watched instead of clinging to the idiotic idea that the PAC 12 is filled with desirable teams and teams that are not broke, using high academic subsidies (in an area of the country where that is about to come under major attack) and teams that do not have massive athletics debt and debt service and low incomes

here is an article from just 2 days ago with the Oregon student government wanting to end all academic subsidies

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/02/22/u-oregon-student-government-wants-stop-payments-athletics

the article states they are only $5 million per year so there is a good chance that fill knight can give them the $100 million endowment that would cover that each year, but who knows if he will

and there is little chance that Oregon State will get the same, or WSU, or CU, or Utah, or Cal or probably even UCLA.....and with Cal especially I would imagine any money they can scrape up would go towards paying down their $400+ million athletics debt that they have kicked down the road so far

ASU spends $19 million in academic subsidies while AU spends $21 million and Utah and CU spend $12 million each

WSU spends over $4 million, but that does not include annual deficits of over $5 million for the last few years that are suppose to eventually be paid back

Stanford of course has a large endowment for a lot of their Olympic Sports, but they are also about to enter their usual phase of winning 3 to 7 games a year in football for a decade or more it looks like so people need to stop pretending that the last decade of their program reflects how they usually perform on the field because they usually suck cocks

even UCLA showed $108 million in revenues last year with a $4 million subsidy from academics, but they showed $127 million in expenses.....California accounting at it's finest

looking at these numbers this is not a group of schools that Texas wants to join in with all together

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

their dead weight is 3X or 4X the dead weight the weakest Big 12 members are especially when you look at long term debt and debt service (they are far and away the "leader" in that category) and the above numbers....all the more so when you those will be the places that will cut funding sooner than later.....but they can't cut that debt they have built up that is for sure

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6 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

The first big indicator if something will happen is if FOX renews it's tier 3 RSN deal with ou.  PAC really can't add anyone, and they certainly don't look as good as they once did to Dodds.  So as always, it's up to the Big12 to either stick as is, expand, or implode.

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30 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

I cannot believe this effin thread is still going on, it just won’t die...

It will continue since the GORs and current conf deals are expiring soon.. SEC just re-upped their deal.. BiG is next followed by the PAC and Big 12.

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4 hours ago, Mileslong said:

I cannot believe this effin thread is still going on, it just won’t die...

I have made the comparison that it's like a bunch of 12 year-old boys discussing sex.  Lots of talk, no action and nobody really knows a gotdamm thing.

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14 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

it might be an elevator full of farts, but MY farts smell like fucking cinnamon rolls

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16 minutes ago, SimkinsMan said:


No thanks to Utah and BYU.

Agreed but once the rats begin to jump, the whole thing will unravel quickly.  The perception of being left out is going to be explosive.  The teams in the mountain and pacific time zones need a way to bridge to the eastern time zone.  It's probably going to happen soon.

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15 minutes ago, sportsbay said:

Agreed but once the rats begin to jump, the whole thing will unravel quickly.  The perception of being left out is going to be explosive.  The teams in the mountain and pacific time zones need a way to bridge to the eastern time zone.  It's probably going to happen soon.

Yeah, totally. This was a good find. A destabilized Pac-12 could well fuel the next round of realignment. Where it stops? Who knows. 

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Those are some terrible numbers.  14m subscribers is equivalent to what ESPN claims LHN has.    

Also, if you swapped out the Buffs for BYU, I could get behind that reporters thought of adding LA, AZ, and Utah.  Just a southern band from Kansas to Texas, west to Cali.  

Its going to be all about whatever USC wants though.  If I were the Pac I'd be hiking up my skirt as much as possible to keep them from looking at independence.

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9 hours ago, sportsbay said:

We can't beat Iowa State, and they don't even have magic underwear. The BYU QB once ran for 700 yards against us while Manny Diaz took a dump in the water cooler. I had a point when I started this post, but its gone. I've been smoking this weed called 'Brickhouse' and occasionally I lose time. 

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Saw a story a few weeks back about the Stanford wrestling team.  I'm sure it's out there if I were motived enough to find it.  Basically, Stanford cut a bunch of sports to save money and some fat cat alums rounded up $12M to keep the wrestling team.  Stanford turn them down.  That told me that Stanford is pushing themselves away from the table, which is fine for them.  Between them and Cal, they have more than enough prestige and money that they don't need to a big time athletic department if it means the level of spending that a realignment is going to require.  Some of those other schools out there might also agree.  (Colorado.)

A spending requirement might be a way to dislodge any state ledge blowback in regards to splitting Wazzo and Oregon State away from UW and Oregon.  State level powers that be (if they care) may try to get the secondary schools shoved it but if they're told that those schools will have to bust their budgets, they may push back.  Basically, we'll take UW and Oregon and that's it.  If you insist on the other schools, we'll take neither and UW and Oregon will be left out.  

The only schools out there willing to commit at that level are the Zone schools, USC, UCLA, and UW and Oregon.  That's a 16 team conference and still very workable.

Still wouldn't mind seeing a three team trade of West Virginia to the SEC, Nebraska to the Big 12, and Missouri to the Big 10.  Kinda sucks to see West Virginia go because I like them.  

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I suppose I could handle Utah to the Big 12 if and only if they brought CU back. I enjoyed manhandling the Buffs and would expect Sark to continue that tradition. I'll even take BYU if we can dump WVU to limit the size to 12 teams.

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