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well i didn't even remember making the first two posts, but jesus, it's true. every time i try to watch i can't get over how ridiculous the lighting is. people sitting around in dark rooms with the lights turned off and half of their face covered in darkness just having a regular old conversation in the middle of the day. 

 

no no worries though, i'm not watching it anymore so no more complaining about the lighting. 

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Lulz Goo saying he doesn’t even remember his previous lighting complaints but, nbd, I’m out so no more complaining. But before I do, here is 1 more complaint about the lighting.

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Finished it.  Great season, but now I gotta wait another year to see what happens.   Season finale was just a "to be continued" episode. 

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On 8/31/2018 at 5:00 PM, TonyTexas said:

Lulz emoji23.png Goo saying he doesn’t even remember his previous lighting complaints but, nbd, I’m out so no more complaining. But before I do, here is 1 more complaint about the lighting.

Doesn’t take a film major to see the mood they are going for with the lighting.  I can’t recall too many tv shows where they look to enhance or draw attention to the wrinkles of the actors.    Everyone looks like the old lady from titanic. 

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If one of the two dark haired brothers comes back as an adult working for the rednecks or the cartel, I'm gonna lose my shit.  In a good way. Wasn't the dad a pilot, he could help run some product?  


I feel like I should rewatch S1. I have no idea who you are talking about

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It was a tangent along the lines of the "Valerie" show thing we were doing.  
Alright, onto season 2---watching it now and have a few questions.  We gotta get the serious discussion going. 

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liked but did not love s2.  much like s1.  some solid plotlines, but some unnecessary distraction with some lesser side-stories. 

a few episodes in, as soon as the snell woman was talking about wanting a baby (not any adoption or foster, but needed to be a baby), the wife and i both kinda looked at each other, and were like, "well there's only one baby on the show, so let's see how they shoehorn this poor kid into that nightmare".  a few episodes later, the ridiculous kidnapping plot.  yeah, could've done without that.  they also seemed like they were gonna use that to show bateman's total breakdown, but that only lasted a few minutes.

ditto the emancipation storyline.  didn't add much for me, except to show that wendy continues to not listen, and just goes and threatens people (like her daughter's smug lawyer).  this was definitely the showcase laura linney for an emmy season.  she was more of the main character.

my other main gripe was with ruth.  they built her so brilliantly up through s1 and parts of s2, but then she goes against character when she gets with her dad to try to steal marty's money.  (wasn't the whole reason they gave the money back in s1 because they knew they didn't want to cross the cartel?).  so anyhow, she decides she's gonna partner with her dad, the sloppiest criminal in the state, digs thru the funeral home, etc.  then has some big breakdown to her dad about being a screw-up.  so i'm thinking yeah, she's sly, she's playing her dad, i wonder what her end game is (thinking maybe she was setting him up to go back inside).  but there wasn't one.  she was just being an idiot, which she had previously shown not to be.  all the langmore stuff (especially the dad) was a waste to me this season.

the push-thru to getting a 14th casino in missouri seemed a little too easy, but i guess wendy is just that much of a badass.  also that riverboat looked tiny.  looks like they'll have a whole new enemy next season.  should be interesting.  i wonder what happens when the kc mob goes up against the navarro cartel.

also jonah stole the fucking show.  every scene with him was great all season.

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liked but did not love s2.  much like s1.  some solid plotlines, but some unnecessary distraction with some lesser side-stories. 

a few episodes in, as soon as the snell woman was talking about wanting a baby (not any adoption or foster, but needed to be a baby), the wife and i both kinda looked at each other, and were like, "well there's only one baby on the show, so let's see how they shoehorn this poor kid into that nightmare".  a few episodes later, the ridiculous kidnapping plot.  yeah, could've done without that.  they also seemed like they were gonna use that to show bateman's total breakdown, but that only lasted a few minutes.

ditto the emancipation storyline.  didn't add much for me, except to show that wendy continues to not listen, and just goes and threatens people (like her daughter's smug lawyer).  this was definitely the showcase laura linney for an emmy season.  she was more of the main character.

my other main gripe was with ruth.  they built her so brilliantly up through s1 and parts of s2, but then she goes against character when she gets with her dad to try to steal marty's money.  (wasn't the whole reason they gave the money back in s1 because they knew they didn't want to cross the cartel?).  so anyhow, she decides she's gonna partner with her dad, the sloppiest criminal in the state, digs thru the funeral home, etc.  then has some big breakdown to her dad about being a screw-up.  so i'm thinking yeah, she's sly, she's playing her dad, i wonder what her end game is (thinking maybe she was setting him up to go back inside).  but there wasn't one.  she was just being an idiot, which she had previously shown not to be.  all the langmore stuff (especially the dad) was a waste to me this season.

the push-thru to getting a 14th casino in missouri seemed a little too easy, but i guess wendy is just that much of a badass.  also that riverboat looked tiny.  looks like they'll have a whole new enemy next season.  should be interesting.  i wonder what happens when the kc mob goes up against the navarro cartel.

also jonah stole the fucking show.  every scene with him was great all season.

 

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Good analysis Gandorf. Agree with all of it. That last family picture at the end was fitting. Wendy has turned in to the cold ass evil one who enjoys what she's doing and was purposely put right next to Jonah, who also has that ruthless i want this crime lifestyle and can flourish in it smirk. You could see it when Wendy spoke to the kids there right near the end. On the flip side, Bateman and the daughter are the moral ones who are struggling with this because they are more human. They just can't accept these dirty deeds. 

 

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On 8/31/2018 at 3:43 PM, Hmbre97 said:

 

 

 

Are you just going to keep posting this until someone either agrees with you or acknowledges your opinion?

You must not be familiar with Derka. You're lucky he hasn't made a separate thread on it yet.

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On 8/31/2018 at 12:43 AM, Goo Punch said:

the show is too dark, aesthetically. it beats you over the head with how dark everything is.

How many times are you going to fucking say this?

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On 9/3/2018 at 9:31 AM, LonghornGoodfella said:

Finished season 2 last night as well. Great season and yes i like the fucking darkness of this show. I'm not scared. 

Very dark.

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Just though 2 episodes so far, still good. 

One thing I wanted to point out that I don't think has been mentioned the lighting adds so much to the real dark shit that is going down. So great. 

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Just finished season 2 last night. Not great but really good. Not going to spoil anything since it was just released over the weekend.

But be prepared guys, it has very dark lighting!

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Are you guys trying to tell me the off-season, i.e. late Autumn in the middle latitudes of the U.S., it's kinda dark in the Ozark part of the country?  I have a hard time believing that will play into the cinematography of this production.  

Basic question that I just can't remember or find an answer to online, is one of the knock on the Snells that they are related to one another?  Because that diner backstory doesn't necessarily verify that.  

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I did 4 episodes yesterday.  Hopefully knock another 2-3 out tonight and get finished up before the weekend.  It doesn't feel quite as well written as Season 1, at least in terms of inter-character dialogue, but it's still pretty good and very entertaining.

The Snells are such infuriating characters to me, and just wild contradictions.  They've got all their morals and honor and won't compromise over fucking anything, but they grow poppies and make heroin.  Get off your high horse and make this shit work, you inbred fuckheads.  They just get butt hurt about everything.

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5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Okay, so they are inbred/related?  

I don't know that (and it hasn't been hinted at in the show up through what I've seen).  I'm just using it as a general insult against backwoods people.

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They both talk though about "our family/their family" being flooded out of the area by the power company.  If it was just his "Snells", and yes-she is fiercely loyal to him, why is she even more pissed off about the land relocation if she just married into this shit 3 generations after it happened.  

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6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

They both talk though about "our family/their family" being flooded out of the area by the power company.  If it was just his "Snells", and yes-she is fiercely loyal to him, why is she even more pissed off about the land relocation if she just married into this shit 3 generations after it happened.  

It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever to see it become a plot point down the road.

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I binged 4 episodes last night and enjoy it.  The only problem I have is the same with how season 1 ended.  Opening up a casino in a highly regulated states is not easy, and it's not something two people who just want to do it can pull off, even with political connections (which they didn't have when they started).  It certainly can't be done in 6 months.  I've done some real life work in this area, and that's just not how it works.  It's also difficult to do anything illegal when it comes to casinos these days.  I get that people think everything casino related is corrupt, but it's not that way anymore, at least not in general.  I imagine it would actually much harder to launder money through a state regulated casino than any other form of business because they are subject to much higher oversight.  Even if it were overall as corrupt as they say, you're talking about regular bribes because the corrupt people overseeing it would catch on pretty quick that you're shady and extort you for regular income mob style.    

But I'm willing to suspend belief because it's a good show overall. 

 

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It certainly would take more than bribing one gaming commissioner with Grateful Dead tickets.  That was really unrealistic.

 

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I liked the callback when the cartel lawyer calls the snells rednecks and Marty casually says something along the lines of "I'd choose another word, if I were you."

Has anyone mentioned how dark the lighting is? 

Also, it's starting to get just a bit much that every episode seems to have some insurmountable obstacle placed in front of the Byrdes but somehow everything just falls into place for them to barely fix it.  Oh, we're having trouble with the KC mob?  Well luckily the strange skinny dipping old guy that happens to be a squatter in your property has some major connections from back in his Detroit days. 

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to keep the show more interesting, I think they are just condensing the time that everything is occurring.   If the casino license process was 5 years, it would be a boring show.  

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i agree with this, but to stache's point (and the point i made above about it seeming "a little too easy") - they could've gotten creative with it.

maybe they try to establish some political inroads to get another casino, and the connection is like, "wait in line, the so-and-so group has been working on it for two years..." then the byrds approach that group and try to knife-fight their way in at a 45 degree angle, and partner up/hijack the other group's bid.  there were just so many obstacles in the show (which there are probably 10x as many in real life), and each domino seemed to fall with pretty minimal effort and a fair amount of unrealistic disbelief built in.  most of all, they're from out of town, and their partnership with the snells (to appease that first issue) would've throw a ton of red flags up, since everyone knows their business (even if the sheriff is in on it).

talking out of my ass here, but i'd bet all the money in my pocket that gaming people would much rather give a casino to folks with organized crime ties than with drug cartel connections (especially considering the money-laundering aspect).

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Yes, they seem to have a 24 deadline on just about everything, and then things either work out (or don't) right at the wire (I'm 3 episodes in on season 2).

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SPOILER:

 

 

 

 

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Why did Wilkes end up helping the Byrdes when at first his assistant said he was adamantly against it? That has bugged me and I’m through episode 4.

 

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12 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

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Why did Wilkes end up helping the Byrdes when at first his assistant said he was adamantly against it? That has bugged me and I’m through episode 4.

 

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got the impression he did some research and found them impressively ambitious and competent, business-wise.  Based on things he says to Wendy.

Wendy also points out to Marty that the assistant's visit was actually an invitation.  They just act hostile.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

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Why did Wilkes end up helping the Byrdes when at first his assistant said he was adamantly against it? That has bugged me and I’m through episode 4.

 

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Wendy impressed him with her political ruthlessness while the Snells put pressure by lighting his boat on fire. Yeah he also had the hots for Wendy. Pussy is again undefeated!

 

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I would be careful of asking questions from people that have finished the season while you're not halfway through.  No one can recall exactly when some plot elements are introduced.

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I thought it was good, but I like Season 1 better.  I enjoyed the rise of Linney to be the mastermind pulling strings and ordering hits. She should get an emmy. Ruth should also get an emmy. I didn't like how they broke her down, but damn, she did a great acting job. 

Charlotte needs a better storyline. 

 

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Interesting show in that many of the women on the show are the real power brokers:  Wendy, Ruth, the cartel lawyer, Darlene.    From time to time, the men actually accomplish something but they usually get overwritten by the decisions of the women on the show.  Even Charlotte takes control of her life by emancipating.

The owner of the Blue Cat, Rachel, was stronger in the previous season but they somehow turned her into a drug addict.  

 

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Interesting show in that many of the women on the show are the real power brokers:  Wendy, Ruth, the cartel lawyer, Darlene.    From time to time, the men actually accomplish something but they usually get overwritten by the decisions of the women on the show.  Even Charlotte takes control of her life by emancipating.

The owner of the Blue Cat, Rachel, was stronger in the previous season but they somehow turned her into a drug addict.  

 

yeah, the thing you listed at the end didn't make much sense to me, and definitely seemed like it was inserted to make other plotpoints come together.

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Just finished. I dug it as much or maybe even more than S1. Some of the details that bug y’all really don’t matter much to me and the actors make up for it, imo. 

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Just finished S2.  Thought it was outstanding.  But it just seems a constant out of frying pan into fire scenarios back to back to back to back etc.  I wouldn't have the patience to handle that amount of stress especially with the kind of people you are dealing with.

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3 hours ago, Moby Ric said:

Just finished S2.  Thought it was outstanding.  But it just seems a constant out of frying pan into fire scenarios back to back to back to back etc.  I wouldn't have the patience to handle that amount of stress especially with the kind of people you are dealing with.

 

That's what is so great about the show (obviously unrealistic) but they go from one problem to another and just take it in stride. Only through episode 5 but so far I am enjoying this season. 

 

And Bateman is great but Ruth is 100% the star of the show. Awesome character and she plays it so well. 

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That's what is so great about the show (obviously unrealistic) but they go from one problem to another and just take it in stride. Only through episode 5 but so far I am enjoying this season. 
 
And Bateman is great but Ruth is 100% the star of the show. Awesome character and she plays it so well. 


The way she handles strippers should be mandatory learning for most young lads. Good life lessons.


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On 9/3/2018 at 12:18 PM, henrygandorf said:

 

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liked but did not love s2.  much like s1.  some solid plotlines, but some unnecessary distraction with some lesser side-stories. 

a few episodes in, as soon as the snell woman was talking about wanting a baby (not any adoption or foster, but needed to be a baby), the wife and i both kinda looked at each other, and were like, "well there's only one baby on the show, so let's see how they shoehorn this poor kid into that nightmare".  a few episodes later, the ridiculous kidnapping plot.  yeah, could've done without that.  they also seemed like they were gonna use that to show bateman's total breakdown, but that only lasted a few minutes.

ditto the emancipation storyline.  didn't add much for me, except to show that wendy continues to not listen, and just goes and threatens people (like her daughter's smug lawyer).  this was definitely the showcase laura linney for an emmy season.  she was more of the main character.

my other main gripe was with ruth.  they built her so brilliantly up through s1 and parts of s2, but then she goes against character when she gets with her dad to try to steal marty's money.  (wasn't the whole reason they gave the money back in s1 because they knew they didn't want to cross the cartel?).  so anyhow, she decides she's gonna partner with her dad, the sloppiest criminal in the state, digs thru the funeral home, etc.  then has some big breakdown to her dad about being a screw-up.  so i'm thinking yeah, she's sly, she's playing her dad, i wonder what her end game is (thinking maybe she was setting him up to go back inside).  but there wasn't one.  she was just being an idiot, which she had previously shown not to be.  all the langmore stuff (especially the dad) was a waste to me this season.

the push-thru to getting a 14th casino in missouri seemed a little too easy, but i guess wendy is just that much of a badass.  also that riverboat looked tiny.  looks like they'll have a whole new enemy next season.  should be interesting.  i wonder what happens when the kc mob goes up against the navarro cartel.

also jonah stole the fucking show.  every scene with him was great all season.

 

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1. Ruth is a baby still and therefore is vulnerable.

2. Wendy’s character is ridiculous.  Totally far fetched, not likable, and amazing that nobody in the show tells her no or to fuck off.

3. Riverboat is such a joke it encapsulates this series.

4.  Could not disagree more about Jonah.  Feels totally contrived.  Hey!  Here’s a borderline 13-year old autistic kid that opened up an account to clean money in a more sophisticated manner than his parents could.

5. The disparity between what Marty and Wendy portray themselves to be and what they actually are is nonsensical.  This is an entertaining show (so was Walking Dead) but I cannot get past this idiocy and won’t watch Season 3.  

 

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Spoiler 1. Ruth is a baby still and therefore is vulnerable.
2. Wendy’s character is ridiculous.  Totally far fetched, not likable, and amazing that nobody in the show tells her no or to fuck off.
3. Riverboat is such a joke it encapsulates this series.
4.  Could not disagree more about Jonah.  Feels totally contrived.  Hey!  Here’s a borderline 13-year old autistic kid that opened up an account to clean money in a more sophisticated manner than his parents could.
5. The disparity between what Marty and Wendy portray themselves to be and what they actually are is nonsensical.  This is an entertaining show (so was Walking Dead) but I cannot get past this idiocy and won’t watch Season 3.  
 


That’s too bad, we will all miss your insightful reviews

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I'm with Goo Punch. Apparently the house can't even be lit in the daytime. I just don't understand it.

I find it interesting how the women become the most powerful characters towards the end of the season.

 

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9 hours ago, mycox said:

Apparently the house can't even be lit in the daytime. I just don't understand it.

They're working a vampire angle for future seasons.

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Finished Season 2 this morning. Didn't enjoy it nearly as much as Season 1; in fact I came close to giving up on it about 2/3 of the way through. As others have said, too many plot holes, too much suspension of belief, too many crises that required too many highly problematic dominoes to fall in exactly the right order to resolve. And that overdone dark lighting. They had some of this stuff it in Season 1 but stretched them to the breaking point in Season 2.

 

Don't want to repeat what others, particularly Gandorf have said, because I largely agree. I found the Ruth character to be more contradictional than conflicted, if that makes sense. She's smart enough to see that the cousin is smart enough to "get out" of the family traps, but not smart enough to see that she's smart enough to do the same? And she's still trying to steal from Marty, a guy she knows is helping her and trusting her, up until what, the last couple of days? Because her daddy, who she knows is a screw up and who literally robbed her, expected her to because she's a Langmire? Sorry, I didn't buy that.

Also, the failed hit by the cartel on the Snells. Paid assassins firing multiple machines guns into the car, and the only shot that lands happens to hit Mr. Snell in a non-vital area of the chest? Driver is unscathed enough to just drive off? Didn't buy it.

The whole Snell thing got stupid. The baby thing was stupid. Much of the FBI agent's storyline was stupid.

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OK, just binged 4 or 5 episodes (seriously, I lost count). This season just seems tiring to watch. This person is fucking things up, then that person, then the guy you never heard of. Jesus H Christ make it stop. Still going to finish the season, but man it's a beating.

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