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38 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Of all the European empires, I believe it was only the Portuguese who abolished slavery in its colonies after the US. The French, Spanish, English, and Dutch all abolished it well before the US throughout their empires.

The fact that they didn't allow that "peculiar institution" in their home countries but "out of sigh, out of mind" in their colonies for a good while longer doesn't negate the fact that they still prohibited it before us.

I recall my junior high/high school in northern Virginia in the mid-1980s still had "Slave Day" as a homecoming week fundraiser, where students could bid on an upperclass student to be their "slave" for a day, i.e., give them a ride to and from school, carry their books, sing in front of the cafeteria (no, we did not have a cotton field next to our school).  I think around 1988 or so they changed the title to "Serf Day" because they finally realized "Slave Day" might not sound so good anymore.  And they ultimately did away with that fundraiser altogether.

So while Portugal abolished slavery technically after the U.S., it still exhibited for one day of the year at Quantico High School during part of the twentieth century. 

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4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I recall my junior high/high school in northern Virginia in the mid-1980s still had "Slave Day" as a homecoming week fundraiser, where students could bid on an upperclass student to be their "slave" for a day, i.e., give them a ride to and from school, carry their books, sing in front of the cafeteria (no, we did not have a cotton field next to our school).  I think around 1988 or so they changed the title to "Serf Day" because they finally realized "Slave Day" might not sound so good anymore.  And they ultimately did away with that fundraiser altogether.

So while Portugal abolished slavery technically after the U.S., it still exhibited for one day of the year at Quantico High School during part of the twentieth century. 

Yikes. I graduated from a small-town Texas HS in 1989. That's a first for me, and there *are* miles and miles of cotton fields as far as the eye can see, starting on the north side of town. Inside-Out Day? Check. Funny socks? Check. Slaves? Yeah, we didn't have that one. Jesus, I think we forget how little still hadn't changed culturally by the time we reached that age.

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27 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I recall my junior high/high school in northern Virginia in the mid-1980s still had "Slave Day" as a homecoming week fundraiser, where students could bid on an upperclass student to be their "slave" for a day

We had that at my school in ‘92. The Sophomore girl who bought me, a very talented dancer who ended up on Broadway, absolutely loathed the senior girl I had been dating on and off. 
I have to say it was a good day. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Of all the European empires, I believe it was only the Portuguese who abolished slavery in its colonies after the US. The French, Spanish, English, and Dutch all abolished it well before the US throughout their empires.

The fact that they didn't allow that "peculiar institution" in their home countries but "out of sigh, out of mind" in their colonies for a good while longer doesn't negate the fact that they still prohibited it before us.

You realize I said as much?

Slavery was easy for them to ignore because they weren't confronted with it on the daily like we were.  Also, it wasn't an immediate economic question.

So, despite their ability to largely ignore it, they abolished it anyway, although it wasn't much of economic question.

That it was an economic question here, that we chose cheap labor and profit over grotesque inhumanity and immoraility doesn't exactly speak well of us.  And it took a war to get there, well  . . . . 

Where they did have an advantage over us is not having to assimilate a sizable percentage of the population in the days, months, years, and centuries after they were recognized as human.  That's a pig we still haven't swallowed.

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5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You realize I said as much?

Slavery was easy for them to ignore because they weren't confronted with it on the daily like we were.  Also, it wasn't an immediate economic question.

So, despite their ability to largely ignore it, they abolished it anyway, although it wasn't much of economic question.

That it was an economic question here, that we chose cheap labor and profit over grotesque inhumanity and immoraility doesn't exactly speak well of us.  And it took a war to get there, well  . . . . 

Where they did have an advantage over us is not having to assimilate a sizable percentage of the population in the days, months, years, and centuries after they were recognized as human.  That's a pig we still haven't swallowed.

Yes, I do realize that and thought I was providing additional detail to your post. Probably just poorly worded, as I was jumping from topics. You’re right, of course, in this one as well.

Again, adding to this post, I looked it up and the UK paid £20 million to its colonial slaveholders as compensation during the 1830s when the slaves were freed. According to this site, that comes out to roughly £32.5 billion today, or roughly $43.7 billion. According to the US Treasury, we spent $5.2 billion on the Civil War, coming out to $103 billion today. We also lost 750,000 souls.

Man, it sure would've been a lot cheaper to do the right thing in the first place.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Man, it sure would've been a lot cheaper to do the right thing in the first place.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." -Winston Churchill

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Yes, I do realize that and thought I was providing additional detail to your post. Probably just poorly worded, as I was jumping from topics. You’re right, of course, in this one as well.

Again, adding to this post, I looked it up and the UK paid £20 million to its colonial slaveholders as compensation during the 1830s when the slaves were freed. According to this site, that comes out to roughly £32.5 billion today, or roughly $43.7 billion. According to the US Treasury, we spent $5.2 billion on the Civil War, coming out to $103 billion today. We also lost 750,000 souls.

Man, it sure would've been a lot cheaper to do the right thing in the first place.

Just making sure no one was taking it as a justification.  Just sort of an historical curiosity that makes the "American experience with slavery" somewhat unique.  But not in a good way.

Our use of slavery was arguably more reprehensible than the rest of our contemporaries.

We also come out very badly on the post-slavery assimilation issue, but that's something that most of the rest of the world got to take a little slower than we did.  A weak defense of our inhumanity.

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Let me keep my black ass out of the Christ following thread... It's a US slavery thread, which kinda makes sense... Unfortunately. 

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yeah, the white frats at UT from 92 until 96 hired black kids to dress up and literally pick cotton in the frat yards while the rich whites drank and date raped one another.   these are your GOP leaders now!   praise Jesus?   I should get my white ass out of this thread too :D.   Don't get mad you soft white country club pussies.   

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Posted
4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing he said that was bullshit is we were among the first nations to abolish slavery.

We were among the last, particularly among what might be considered enlightened nations.

This depends on a lot of definitions including “slavery” and “nations.”  We were well behind the European nations we consider peers but something resembling what we call “slavery” existed in many places after U.S. abolition and only disappeared via more or less coercion from European powers and especially the British. 

Posted
8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Ekklessia does NOT mean "government structure."  Ekklessia is a broad term, meaning gathering of people

Yeah, that CK take is the first time that I have ever seen someone interpret the word in that way. 

 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What bible is this dude reading it sounds wild as fuck!

 

I dunno.  But there is one thing I do know with rock-solid certainty: he thinks about sucking dick at least 40 times every day.

There is a 100% chance that dude is a self-loathing closeted gay man.  Overcompensation by "masculinity" this and "head of the family" that and "gays should be executed" is a guaranteed tell.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

I dunno.  But there is one thing I do know with rock-solid certainty: he thinks about sucking dick at least 40 times every day.

There is a 100% chance that dude is a self-loathing closeted gay man.  Overcompensation by "masculinity" this and "head of the family" that and "gays should be executed" is a guaranteed tell.

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Posted
1 minute ago, bolverk said:

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Yep.  Queerer than a football bat (NTTAWWT).  Seriously.  Just be your true self and suck some dick.  You'll be so much happier, AND you won't have to project all your self-loathing onto being hateful to other people.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I dunno.  But there is one thing I do know with rock-solid certainty: he thinks about sucking dick at least 40 times every day.

There is a 100% chance that dude is a self-loathing closeted gay man.  Overcompensation by "masculinity" this and "head of the family" that and "gays should be executed" is a guaranteed tell.

For some reason, Protestants seem to have an obsession with masculinity. There were Christian masculinity movements in the past, particularly in the Victorian era but those were more Dead Poets Society and Rugby than what we see today. The current iteration is just a mishmash of manosphere talking points and bizarre bible studies with the occasional reference to John Piper.

 

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