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21 minutes ago, troph said:

generally agree.


I pressed Chat GPT to give me a cost of all those programs. So take that for what it is.

$260-$327 Billion.

Thats only like 4-5% of the total budget. 

About the same cost as the VA.

But considering we’re only taking in ~ 4.9-5 trillion, we still need to clean some shit up.

We’d need all kinds of raising of revenues, taxing the rich, a VAT, and cutting defense, aggressively negotiating drug prices, probably means testing SS, etc.

So yeah….. tough choices

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Surely then you have plenty of examples of them talking about race during 2024 campaigns?

With Trump as your opponent, there is no way you aren't going to have to talk about race, just responding to his outrages.   They are out there - in the debate Harris talks about his using race to tear the US apart - perfectly reasonable discussion.

I'm talking about more aggressive pivots to class when race comes up.  Almost a theme of unity with low-income workers.  Not apologizing for knowledge of history but recognizing politilcally that there might be a more practical way to address disparities and lack of inclusion.  

And that may also mean restructuring DEI approaches around class. 

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15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Well Democratic candidates for office have literally never had anything to do with DEI policies anywhere. 

I'm just going to keep quoting myself from this very fucking thread every single time someone parrots Republican propaganda about how Dems were just too far left/too focused on race or trans or identity or whatever:

 

 

Just stop this bullshit. Stop believing it, stop repeating it, stop tolerating it from others. It's literally Republican propaganda and you don't beat propaganda by telling everyone it's correct.

Dems have apparently decided that the way to beat the propaganda is to outflank it by running to the right of it.

e: Not on everything, of course, but certainly on things like foreign policy i.e. Iran

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7 hours ago, Pancho said:

I think it was Rep Cesar of Texas who said Dems should go into the 26 and 28 races arguing it’s the billionaire class vs the rest of us.

 

he said that messaging has the best chance to get everyone on board including those who switched from Obama to turnip….or something like that. 

This! It's a slam dunk but they'll be talked out of it somehow. If Dems want to win, they should run non-stop ads with pictures of Trump, Elon, Bezos, and Zuckerberg at the inauguration. "Donald Trump and his mega billionaire cronies have amassed 100s of billions in new wealth as unemployment, inflation, and grocery prices have soared."

Instead we'll get: "I played football at Baylor. I was in the military. Let's get tough on immigration." 

Also, never let up on trying to get people to understand the scale of billions of dollars vs the wealth of the average American. 

 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just say shit that isn't even true and blame republicans non stop, it's so easy they won't do it

Instead they just say shit that isn't even true and blame progressives

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I just had this horrible thought that the Democrats would try to court Elon Musk after this whole Trump melt down. Thus managing to get blamed for everything DOGE did.

It is such an idiotic political move that I am now terrified that it is all but certain.

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22 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Just stop this bullshit. Stop believing it, stop repeating it, stop tolerating it from others. It's literally Republican propaganda and you don't beat propaganda by telling everyone it's correct

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33 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I just had this horrible thought that the Democrats would try to court Elon Musk after this whole Trump melt down. Thus managing to get blamed for everything DOGE did.

It is such an idiotic political move that I am now terrified that it is all but certain.

some things should be left unsaid

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35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these riots aren’t good for dems, it’s giving republicans ammunition. Seeing the ground work being laid for all the hits come mid term and next election already by republicans 

Who gives a fuck anymore?

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38 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these riots aren’t good for dems, it’s giving republicans ammunition. Seeing the ground work being laid for all the hits come mid term and next election already by republicans 

What riots?

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The protesters could throw a patty cake party and the Republicans would portray it as worse than 1992 and Watts combined.

Democrats don't need to worry about how Republicans spin peaceful protests. They will always lie. It's what they do.

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The protesters could throw a patty cake party and the Republicans would portray it as worse than 1992 and Watts combined.

Democrats don't need to worry about how Republicans spin peaceful protests. They will always lie. It's what they do.

Yeah but it works them and democrats usually have no answer 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah but it works them and democrats usually have no answer 

It works until it doesn't.

Republicans are well on their way for an ass whipping in the mid-terms no matter what Democrats do or don't do.

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14 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these riots aren’t good for dems, it’s giving republicans ammunition. Seeing the ground work being laid for all the hits come mid term and next election already by republicans 

Those damn Ghorman Front assholes are gonna ruin it for the rest of us!!! If they would just be peaceful the empire would just move on!!!!

 

As already covered, what happens on the ground doesn't matter with respect to how the feds will act. That die is already cast. They've been moving in weapons and soldiers. You do the math.

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15 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these riots aren’t good for dems, it’s giving republicans ammunition. Seeing the ground work being laid for all the hits come mid term and next election already by republicans 


 

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No protests: liberals/democrats/Americans are just rolling over for fascism. We expect more!

Protests: liberals/democrats/Americans are strengthening fascism and will lead to their continued defeat

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5 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

No protests: liberals/democrats/Americans are just rolling over for fascism. We expect more!

Protests: liberals/democrats/Americans are strengthening fascism and will lead to their continued defeat

Protest does not mean destroy shit.....that's the part that doesn't do you any good.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Protest does not mean destroy shit.....that's the part that doesn't do you any good.

No one wants violence and destruction. No one who actually cares about what’s happening, at least. There are always shit heads though looking to cause trouble. That’s why savvy politicians would be getting their messages out right now with a bullhorn crafting the narrative. Fascists are masters of propaganda and they get their message across really well. Protests have to happen and they need to grow

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Just now, SubliminalHorn said:

No one wants violence and destruction. No one who actually cares about what’s happening, at least. There are always shit heads though looking to cause trouble. That’s why savvy politicians would be getting their messages out right now with a bullhorn crafting the narrative. Fascists are masters of propaganda and they get their message across really well. Protests have to happen and they need to grow

The people destroying shit only makes the propaganda more real....that's the point. Democrats have to reel that in....have the protest 1000% but they need to reel the riot type shit in during these protest. It only gives republicans more fuel for the propaganda fire.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The people destroying shit only makes the propaganda more real....that's the point. Democrats have to reel that in....have the protest 1000% but they need to reel the riot type shit in during these protest. It only gives republicans more fuel for the propaganda fire.

Ok so I don’t think it’s that easy to just reel it in. I mean there are always pleas before events to keep it peaceful and not to give the police any reason to react. You think they can just snap their fingers and stop riots immediately? 

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1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok so I don’t think it’s that easy to just reel it in. I mean there are always pleas before events to keep it peaceful and not to give the police any reason to react. You think they can just snap their fingers and stop riots immediately? 

That's their problem to figure out but how come when the right has their protest there are no riots? Seems like every left wing protest results in this shit. It's something they really fucking need to reel in over time. Obviously you can't do it at the snap of a finger. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

That's their problem to figure out but how come when the right has their protest there are no riots? Seems like every left wing protest results in this shit. It's something they really fucking need to reel in over time. Obviously you can't do it at the snap of a finger. 

Um I can think of a couple right wing protests that have turned pretty violent

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Just now, SubliminalHorn said:

Um I can think of a couple right wing protests that have turned pretty violent

Good, so why don't democrats use that? 

 

We've been talking about what democrats need to perception wise in this thread and reeling the rioting shit in  is part of that.

 

Perception is reality 

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16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The people destroying shit only makes the propaganda more real....that's the point. Democrats have to reel that in....have the protest 1000% but they need to reel the riot type shit in during these protest. It only gives republicans more fuel for the propaganda fire.

Democrats have no control over what happens during protests. They can make some nice suggestions, though.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Poor leadership, obviously.

Again, the protesters could be as peaceful as you expect them to be and it would be spun as a riot by the opposition.

Because that's politics. 

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Again, the protesters could be as peaceful as you expect them to be and it would be spun as a riot by the opposition.

Because that's politics. 

I mean is setting cop cars on fire peaceful? 

Posted
26 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Protest does not mean destroy shit.....that's the part that doesn't do you any good.

Most destruction is caused by the cops.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

The people destroying shit only makes the propaganda more real....that's the point. Democrats have to reel that in....have the protest 1000% but they need to reel the riot type shit in during these protest. It only gives republicans more fuel for the propaganda fire.

So, last night, I stayed up watching the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles, covering the protests. According the anchors, the thousands of legit protesters had gone home, but a 100 or so shitheads decided to stick around and cause trouble.

How the fuck are "the Democrats" responsible for or behold to thuggish dickheads? "The Democrats" aren't leading or organizing these spontaneous protests. "The Democrats" obciousky disagree with the regime's gestapo tactics, but they aren't doing shit.

Why aren't you laying blame at the Trump regime for provoking all this?

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Just now, bolverk said:

So, last night, I stayed up watching the ABC affiliate in Los Angeles, covering the protests. According the anchors, the thousands of legit protesters had gone home, but a 100 or so shitheads decided to stick around and cause trouble.

How the fuck are "the Democrats" responsible for or behold to thuggish dickheads? "The Democrats" aren't leading or organizing these spontaneous protests. "The Democrats" obciousky disagree with the regime's gestapo tactics, but they aren't doing shit.

Why aren't you laying blame at the Trump regime for provoking all this?

Once again, perception is reality here. Democrats need to shift that perception moving forward.



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