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This kind of thing sort of reminds me of old school terrorist cells. But what the fuck do I know?

Stand for nothing. Hate everything. Can’t launch. Refuse to assimilate. Bunch of damn whackadoos. 

Presser being held now. Paraphrased below from the presser:


10 gun shot victims. One is deceased of the ten. The suspect is also deceased. He used an assault rifle. A few officers engaged with this suspect and killed him. The suspect is a 40 year old male. Fire was deliberately set.LE believes.  Once the scene is secure they expect to find even more victims inside the church. Fire being extinguished. They don’t yet know a motive. They are getting warrants for the suspect’s home and such. They have a lot of witnesses and getting all their statements. Suspect rammed the vehicle thru the front door and then began firing gun. They believed the fire was set on purpose and there were hundreds inside the church. They believe there is only one suspect. Fucking nutjobs. 
 

the fire was very large and people may have been unable to get out. Fire could have killed people as well. Damn. No idea how many shots were fired. Basically the body count is going to be much higher because of the fire. Many people were stuck on second floor and unable to escape. The fire was nearly the size of the church. So shooter knew imo that if he was unable to get many parishioners by gun he’d get them by fire. 🔥 god. How awful. 

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15 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

the fire was very large and people may have been unable to get out. Fire could have killed people as well. Damn. No idea how many shots were fired. Basically the body count is going to be much higher because of the fire. Many people were stuck on second floor and unable to escape. The fire was nearly the size of the church. So shooter knew imo that if he was unable to get many parishioners by gun he’d get them by fire. 🔥 god. How awful. 

obviously we need to do something about fires

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9 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

obviously we need to do something about fires

As someone who studies crime: OBVIOUSLY we need to look at guns. Full stop. No ifs ands or buts about it.
 

BUT just looking only at guns is missing the point.
 

These people need to be placed somewhere if all they aspire to do is murder people. We need to build places for these people. and find a way to pay for it with tax payer money so that the burden is not on families. Most of which have tried for years with these fucked up people. 
 

 Jmo but these individuals have proven time and time and time again they aren’t like us. And in most cases will never be. They Cannot assimilate or they refuse to and they are run by hatred. Injustice and grievance collectors fueled by hate.
 

If that sounds harsh I don’t care. If they are stuck in a fucking loony bin, I don’t care. I’d rather save the hundreds they would kill. And since we can’t force people to get help, take their meds, grow up, etc…send them somewhere they can maybe get their damned heads right and have a chance at a life or they can you know be permanent residents of these places. Very few of these people are schizophrenic or similar. Most are just pieces of shit. 

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24 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

This kind of thing sort of reminds me of old school terrorist cells. But what the fuck do I know?

Stand for nothing. Hate everything. Can’t launch. Refuse to assimilate. Bunch of damn whackadoos. 

Presser being held now. Paraphrased below from the presser:


10 gun shot victims. One is deceased of the ten. The suspect is also deceased. He used an assault rifle. A few officers engaged with this suspect and killed him. The suspect is a 40 year old male. Fire was deliberately set.LE believes.  Once the scene is secure they expect to find even more victims inside the church. Fire being extinguished. They don’t yet know a motive. They are getting warrants for the suspect’s home and such. They have a lot of witnesses and getting all their statements. Suspect rammed the vehicle thru the front door and then began firing gun. They believed the fire was set on purpose and there were hundreds inside the church. They believe there is only one suspect. Fucking nutjobs. 
 

the fire was very large and people may have been unable to get out. Fire could have killed people as well. Damn. No idea how many shots were fired. Basically the body count is going to be much higher because of the fire. Many people were stuck on second floor and unable to escape. The fire was nearly the size of the church. So shooter knew imo that if he was unable to get many parishioners by gun he’d get them by fire. 🔥 god. How awful. 

 

 

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Just another day in America.

What a country.

I’d like to round all these people up and send them to real war torn countries or places with real poverty and no freedoms to advance and see how well these fuckers would fair. Not well I’d wager. Give them a bunch of water super soaker guns and a couple of lunchables and drop them out of planes. Like survivor. lol. 

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As someone who studies crime: OBVIOUSLY we need to look at guns. Full stop. No ifs ands or buts about it.
 
BUT just looking only at guns is missing the point.
 
These people need to be placed somewhere if all they aspire to do is murder people. We need to build places for these people. and find a way to pay for it with tax payer money so that the burden is not on families. Most of which have tried for years with these fucked up people. 
 
 Jmo but these individuals have proven time and time and time again they aren’t like us. And in most cases will never be. They Cannot assimilate or they refuse to and they are run by hatred. Injustice and grievance collectors fueled by hate.
 
If that sounds harsh I don’t care. If they are stuck in a fucking loony bin, I don’t care. I’d rather save the hundreds they would kill. And since we can’t force people to get help, take their meds, grow up, etc…send them somewhere they can maybe get their damned heads right and have a chance at a life or they can you know be permanent residents of these places. Very few of these people are schizophrenic or similar. Most are just pieces of shit. 

Most of these shooters would not qualify or be easily diagnosed with any type of mental illness, for them to be committed to mental institutions.

These are mostly white males, who are undersexed and under-motivated to lead productive lives. They doom scroll, intoxicate themselves, and/or are bored. They have high opinions of themselves, but at the same low self-esteem.

These shooters generally can plan and know what they’re doing is illegal. AI and social media algorithms can radicalize them.
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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’d like to round all these people up and send them to real war torn countries or places with real poverty and no freedoms to advance and see how well these fuckers would fair. Not well I’d wager. Give them a bunch of water super soaker guns and a couple of lunchables and drop them out of planes. Like survivor. lol. 

Portland?

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1 minute ago, Eskimohorn said:


Most of these shooters would not qualify or be easily diagnosed with any type of mental illness, for them to be committed to mental institutions.

These are mostly white males, who are undersexed and under-motivated to lead productive lives. They doom scroll, intoxicate themselves, and/or are bored. They have high opinions of themselves, but at the same low self-esteem.

These shooters generally can plan and know what they’re doing is illegal. AI and social media algorithms can radicalize them.

Yep. Most know exactly what they are doing, why they are doing it, have the ability to change their minds, plan things to get away with it and so on. Just round’em up I guess. 

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4 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Come on, you know better. 

Just channeling my inner fascist.  I get the grotesque nature of the word, I'll do better.

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1 minute ago, safe sex said:

Come on, you know better. 

Yeah this shit of the shooter is XYZ or believes XYZ or fits a profile: it’s like 15 different cereals on the shelves of a grocery store all kinds but you open the box up and inside all 15 boxes is the same different cereal. 
 

unless it’s part of a group or a larger plan. And yes because USA is still majority white the killers are overwhelmingly white males. But even if that’s not the case they all have a bunch in common outside of what they are on the outside. Too much in common. Yuck. It’s like people point to the newest one and go “well this one is a blah blah blah” how is that winning? What did we win? There will be a lot of dead people who perished from the fire alone and likely a lot of kids. We win nothing. So no matter who this latest syndrome is and whatever his story is: to me they are all the fucking same. On the inside. Sick vile disgusting fuckshits. 

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sigh this will go over well. hopefully the shooter is a trans muslim democrat just to spice things up a bit

goddammit America. STOP SHOOTING YOURSELF

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30 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

obviously we need to do something about fires

 

24 minutes ago, tx ind said:

Ban churches?

Ban oxygen

21 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

As someone who studies crime: 

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Has anyone thought maybe this is just the way Jesus chose to rapture the shit out of this place?

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3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Yeah this shit of the shooter is XYZ or believes XYZ or fits a profile: it’s like 15 different cereals on the shelves of a grocery store all kinds but you open the box up and inside all 15 boxes is the same different cereal. 
 

unless it’s part of a group or a larger plan. And yes because USA is still majority white the killers are overwhelmingly white males. But even if that’s not the case they all have a bunch in common outside of what they are on the outside. Too much in common. Yuck. It’s like people point to the newest one and go “well this one is a blah blah blah” how is that winning? What did we win? There will be a lot of dead people who perished from the fire alone and likely a lot of kids. We win nothing. So no matter who this latest syndrome is and whatever his story is: to me they are all the fucking same. On the inside. Sick vile disgusting fuckshits. 

uhhhhhh I just didn't want him to use a gross slur but go off, queen ❤️

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23 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

As someone who studies crime: OBVIOUSLY we need to look at guns. Full stop. No ifs ands or buts about it.
 

BUT just looking only at guns is missing the point.
 

These people need to be placed somewhere if all they aspire to do is murder people. We need to build places for these people. and find a way to pay for it with tax payer money so that the burden is not on families. Most of which have tried for years with these fucked up people. 
 

 Jmo but these individuals have proven time and time and time again they aren’t like us. And in most cases will never be. They Cannot assimilate or they refuse to and they are run by hatred. Injustice and grievance collectors fueled by hate.
 

If that sounds harsh I don’t care. If they are stuck in a fucking loony bin, I don’t care. I’d rather save the hundreds they would kill. And since we can’t force people to get help, take their meds, grow up, etc…send them somewhere they can maybe get their damned heads right and have a chance at a life or they can you know be permanent residents of these places. Very few of these people are schizophrenic or similar. Most are just pieces of shit. 

there it is, the mental health defense. Now play freebird and give us some thoughts and prayers

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1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

there it is, the mental health defense. Now play freebird and give us some thoughts and prayers

I play every angle. 📐 I have no idea what this latest one is. Or isn’t. But almost all of them are 💯 responsible for their actions. Save a few who are genuinely like schizophrenic. Most all of them know right from wrong and most all of them chose to do this and had complete control of their actions. Do some need to be in a loony bin? Sure. But heck no I ain’t excusing their asses at all. Not in the slightest. Just leaving the caveat open for those who genuinely are ill. Even though we all agree most are not genuinely mentally compromised so much that they don’t know what they are doing. 
 

I saw this picture form the church so I thought I would share. Unfortunately just from this picture alone I would think most everyone on the second floor/balcony level likely didn’t make it out. They said the fire was out of control very fast. 
 

horrific. No other words. 

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Mental health and too easy availability of guns are mostly independent variables in the mass shooting question.

Addressing either one has great potential to reduce the problem until we actually attempt to address them.

 

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16 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

 

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Horrible.  Reminds me of that scene from "The Patriot" where the British cavalry herds American non-combatants into the church and then they burn it down.

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4 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Oh I doubt that.  

Brevity and me ain’t friends. It takes me 2000 words to get to my point and by the time I do I have confused everyone or pissed them off or they’ve completely checked out. Or all three. The sad thing is my thoughts are in line with most of y’all’s it’s just I’m incapable of wording it so that people can understand me.
 

It sucks. I’m pretty sure I’m not from earth. 🌍 😂 

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We are in a cycle of socially contagious politically-adjacent but not meaningfully political violence. The current admin is doing all it can to fuel this in every way possible. Until proven otherwise it’s all just nihilistic rage that is meaningful only to the perpetrator. 

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This will likely not even be mentioned on the news, due to the time it happened and then the subsequent Mormon church mas shooting.  AMERICA!   But these scumbags will just keep talking about CK 

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46 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Portland?

My wife's sister lives in Portland. Real shithole. White folks walking around with their cups of coffee. OUT IN THE OPEN. I mean, who does that? Tattoos and dying their hair unnatural colors. Gross. Send in the troops. 

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

My wife's sister lives in Portland. Real shithole. White folks walking around with their cups of coffee. OUT IN THE OPEN. I mean, who does that? Tattoos and dying their hair unnatural colors. Gross. Send in the troops. 

Too many bookstores and roses, too.

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Too many bookstores and roses, too.

I may be the only person on earth that can’t stand Powell’s. My wife can spend an entire afternoon there. I find it overwhelming and it stresses me out.

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

I may be the only person on earth that can’t stand Powell’s. My wife can spend an entire afternoon there. I find it overwhelming and it stresses me out.

Right there with you tbh

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22 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

AMERICA!

 

Dude said that Kellie tried to poison him during their brief time together.  His skull is half plastic due to being wounded in an attack in Iraq. Sad and unconscionable that we don’t have places for people like this man who so desperately need help. This guy is not like the vast majority of shooters not a nihilist. A profoundly ill man. 😔 

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My wife's sister lives in Portland. Real shithole. White folks walking around with their cups of coffee. OUT IN THE OPEN. I mean, who does that? Tattoos and dying their hair unnatural colors. Gross. Send in the troops. 

Then there are bookstores all over and they occupy sidewalks with brunch cafes. You cannot distinguish the hippies, hipsters, and homeless from one another. People walk around.
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