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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-12-expansion-plans-up-in-the-air-without-kevin-warren-s-pac-12-poaching/ar-AA16x0w8

"...The Pac-12 is expected to probably match or maybe slightly exceed the Big 12 when it announces a new deal. Yes, the Pac-12 will likely have to sacrifice visibility and cut a deal with Amazon to hit the financial number. While streaming may be the wave of the future and while the NFL may have found success with Amazon, it may be asking too much of viewers to switch over to their Prime accounts for Utah-Arizona.

Yet the money may be good enough to keep the status quo alive in the Pac-12.

The person who could have changed that equation was Warren. ESPN reported that Warren continued to push for further expansion even though it had alienated some of the highest profile universities in the conference as well as the TV stakeholders. Warren kept pushing even though ESPN reported that his statements about expansion “were viewed internally as clumsy and tone-deaf.”

It’s a good bet that the new Big Ten commissioner won’t take the same pedal-to-the-metal approach to expansion that Warren did. The Big Ten power brokers will see to that.

That leaves the Big 12 trying to find another way to persuade reluctant Pac-12 schools that it represents a better alternative."

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1 hour ago, bullet said:

Yes, the Pac-12 will likely have to sacrifice visibility and cut a deal with Amazon to hit the financial number. … it may be asking too much of viewers to switch over to their Prime accounts for Utah-Arizona.

Yet the money may be good enough to keep the status quo alive in the Pac-12.

That leaves the Big 12 trying to find another way to persuade reluctant Pac-12 schools that it represents a better alternative."

Guy could switch over to the world of $9.95 if this conference realignment fan fiction gig doesn’t work out for him…

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3 hours ago, bullet said:

While streaming may be the wave of the future and while the NFL may have found success with Amazon, it may be asking too much of viewers to switch over to their Prime accounts for Utah-Arizona.

Not too much has been said about the conflict when two almost-equally attractive games play in the same time slot. I'm guessing that a substantial number of viewers are in the habit of watching the blue-blood game and recording the lesser game for later viewing when they can skip the time-outs, halftime bullshit, and especially the interminable reviews of calls on the field. This recording and viewing process is more complicated for streamed games than for traditional cable/satellite broadcasts--especially for the olds. (I know, because IR1.)

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Pretty sure the OU game was more a few years ago.  But I went w my ISU buddies and was fairly blasted.  Hell of a game day experience imo.  

Iowa’s the only school we can charge more for face value

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On 1/18/2023 at 3:39 PM, 'stache said:

Yormark has shown his competence with the media deal, and has shown thus far to be a good person for the job. What does it matter if the schedule comes out this week, next week, or even the week after? Are schools needing advanced notice to book their venues? The championship game just concluded. We are the only conference with drastic changes this season. What's the problem with it coming out at the end of the month? Again, the only place I saw January 17 as a date was a tweet from a UCF source. The conference didn't announce a date then miss it, the only places I'm seeing "incomptence" etc. is here and comment sections to the Daily Oklahoman from ou fans.

Damn, Dan—it’s a schedule for human beings.

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5 hours ago, bullet said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-12-expansion-plans-up-in-the-air-without-kevin-warren-s-pac-12-poaching/ar-AA16x0w8

"...The Pac-12 is expected to probably match or maybe slightly exceed the Big 12 when it announces a new deal. Yes, the Pac-12 will likely have to sacrifice visibility and cut a deal with Amazon to hit the financial number. While streaming may be the wave of the future and while the NFL may have found success with Amazon, it may be asking too much of viewers to switch over to their Prime accounts for Utah-Arizona.

Yet the money may be good enough to keep the status quo alive in the Pac-12.

The person who could have changed that equation was Warren. ESPN reported that Warren continued to push for further expansion even though it had alienated some of the highest profile universities in the conference as well as the TV stakeholders. Warren kept pushing even though ESPN reported that his statements about expansion “were viewed internally as clumsy and tone-deaf.”

It’s a good bet that the new Big Ten commissioner won’t take the same pedal-to-the-metal approach to expansion that Warren did. The Big Ten power brokers will see to that.

That leaves the Big 12 trying to find another way to persuade reluctant Pac-12 schools that it represents a better alternative."

"probably match or maybe slightly exceed the Big 12"
"may be good enough to keep the status quo alive"

 

The article is not exactly brimming with confidence.

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16 hours ago, bullet said:

That leaves the Big 12 trying to find another way to persuade reluctant Pac-12 schools that it represents a better alternative."

At this point I don't know that the Big 12 should push westward. I think I'd wait for the ACC TV negotiations in 2026 & see if the B1G & SEC blow up that conference (seems likely at this point but who knows with this stuff) & see if you can't get some of those schools that at least show a propensity for caring about sports. Helps the new Eastern schools with travel as well. If the B1G & SEC take some combination of FSU, Miami, Clemson, NC, Duke, & Virginia there are still plenty of good addition opportunities. Pitt, Va Tech, NCST, UL, Syracuse if you want a NY based team. I'd take most of those over the AZ schools on top of it being logistically friendly to the Eastern schools. If for some reason one of those primary choices don't get picked then even better.

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On 1/18/2023 at 4:36 PM, statsman said:

My 2023 schedule expectation- UH, TT, TCU and Baylor insist that, due to long term “rivalries”, they get one more home date/payday from UT. Then, there is OU in Dallas, which Fox will not allow them to screw with. That leaves four home dates in Austin. I suspect all of the new schools are up for that, for exposure, unless other members insist more. (They might, out of a desire for recruiting exposure).

TCU and Baylor, sure. They came to Austin this season. Tech can come to Austin this year. Maybe Iowa State loses out to Houston or someone else for a Texas road game. Maybe KSU, KU, or OSU lose out to someone on coming to Austin. 

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On 1/20/2023 at 1:03 PM, Doc Daneeka said:

TCU and Baylor, sure. They came to Austin this season. Tech can come to Austin this year. Maybe Iowa State loses out to Houston or someone else for a Texas road game. Maybe KSU, KU, or OSU lose out to someone on coming to Austin. 

So in the many years we have played these guys we have been keeping track of how many times we have played where?  They came to Austin this year because we went to their house the year before.   There is no rule that says where you play the last game.   Fuck both of those dipshits. 

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1 minute ago, tonedeaf said:

So in the many years we have played these guys we have been keeping track of how many times we have played where?  They came to Austin this year because we went to their house the year before.   There is no rule that says where you play the last game.   Fuck both of those dipshits. 

I don’t know that there’s a “rule,” but it seems reasonable to play in Fort Worth and Waco because they just played in Austin. They’re almost certainly going to be on the schedule. If you think it’s advantageous for Texas to turn two quasi-home games into trips to Florida or Cincinnati or Utah — because Texas is going to have road conference games — it would be interesting to know why. 

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7 hours ago, Doc Daneeka said:

I don’t know that there’s a “rule,” but it seems reasonable to play in Fort Worth and Waco because they just played in Austin. They’re almost certainly going to be on the schedule. If you think it’s advantageous for Texas to turn two quasi-home games into trips to Florida or Cincinnati or Utah — because Texas is going to have road conference games — it would be interesting to know why. 

Whatever happens, happens.   If we do,  we do,  if we don't,  we don't.  My response was to the comment that  beller and tcu will insist because of long time rivalries.   Fuck them.   

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26 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

Whatever happens, happens.   If we do,  we do,  if we don't,  we don't.  My response was to the comment that  beller and tcu will insist because of long time rivalries.   Fuck them.   

Sounds like you were responding to the wrong post then. That was someone else. 

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Just now, tonedeaf said:

Sorry 🤘🤘🤘

No big deal. I agree with you that the “traditional rivalries” talk is a non-starter. If they’d man up and say “we want the gate and rest of the influx of money that comes with Texas” at least that would be something. 

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6 hours ago, bullet said:

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Morning-Buzz/2023/01/23/big-12-schedule-oklahoma-texas-sec.aspx?hl=Big+12&sc=0

 

 

 

 

 

Schedule not out because we are still haggling over the exit.  ESPN wants it now.  Fox wants it never.  Very slim chance is happens in 2023.  Most likely 2024.

Ah.  Didn’t know ESPN wanted it now. Thought they wanted 24

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13 hours ago, closetohumping said:

What if we let Fox have Texas/ou the next two years? 

Would be very difficult for that to happen, as you’d have to get ESPN and the SEC to agree. Locking down a few out of conference games with Big 12 teams is the path of least resistance, even if it’s not our favorite option.

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21 minutes ago, statsman said:

How about- “ESPN, you let us give a couple of RRS to Fox, and we’ll let you guide our non-conference schedule for a couple of years. You give input on who you want us to play”. 

from my understanding.. FOX doesn't just want  a couple RRS.. they want 6 or so games.  They probably would settle for RRS for the next 2 years and UT playing a current/new Big12 member for the next 2 years OOC .. maybe they settle for the rights to the upcoming home games when UM and tosu come into town.

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8 hours ago, Thiefery said:

from my understanding.. FOX doesn't just want  a couple RRS.. they want 6 or so games.  They probably would settle for RRS for the next 2 years and UT playing a current/new Big12 member for the next 2 years OOC .. maybe they settle for the rights to the upcoming home games when UM and tosu come into town.

To be fair they aren’t just losing the RRSO. During the regular season this year FOX/FS1 had a Texas or Oklahoma game every weekend except for the RRSO which was on ABC this year, a week where OU had a bye, and one random week where Texas was on ABC and OU was on ESPN2.

So FOX is losing roughly 10 games each year. They still have the same number of game inventory, but the quality will take a hit without Texas/OU.

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4 hours ago, Gidnik said:

i bet theyre haggling money for 2024 exit. if fox wants a bunch of texas or oklahoma games against the big 12 to be "made whole"
 i say fuckem and not leave until 2025.  i want a clean break. 

And any game they want us to play on the Cougar High campus we should say, "We'll take the forfeit and schedule someone else to play at home for that Saturday!" even if it means it's an old-school radio-only game due to the networks being pissy little twats that we *dared* ("Horrors!") to forfeit a game on a campus that we will NEVER set foot on again.

Texans' stadium, Rice Stadium, even that Shell Energy soccer stadium (that's also used for football) is preferable to playing in that Shithole-campus known as Cougar High. Not after the 2001 stadium-gate "Texas fans go in the dangerous rickety stands and aren't allowed in the empty stadium seats" Bullshit..... Consequences must be dished out.

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14 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

And any game they want us to play on the Cougar High campus we should say, "We'll take the forfeit and schedule someone else to play at home for that Saturday!" even if it means it's an old-school radio-only game due to the networks being pissy little twats that we *dared* ("Horrors!") to forfeit a game on a campus that we will NEVER set foot on again.

Texans' stadium, Rice Stadium, even that Shell Energy soccer stadium (that's also used for football) is preferable to playing in that Shithole-campus known as Cougar High. Not after the 2001 stadium-gate "Texas fans go in the dangerous rickety stands and aren't allowed in the empty stadium seats" Bullshit..... Consequences must be dished out.

Sounds good and is fun to think about but this is on the same level of thinking of people who say "let's just nuke Iran and turn the middle east to GLASS!!!!!1!"  The repetitional and media hit we'd take for forfeiting a game b/c Houston was incompetent in setting up their stadium 20 years ago would be massive and lasting.  It would give yet another excuse for the national media who already want to shit on Texas to do so, and the ensuing pile on from other fanbases about "cowardly" Texas, regardless of the real reasons.

Thankfully our admin are adults.  "The best revenge is living well."  Go play at Houston, beat them by 4 TDs at their place.  Stomp the rest of the Big12 and win the title on our way out with middle fingers held high.  That's the plan.

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23 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

And any game they want us to play on the Cougar High campus we should say, "We'll take the forfeit and schedule someone else to play at home for that Saturday!" even if it means it's an old-school radio-only game due to the networks being pissy little twats that we *dared* ("Horrors!") to forfeit a game on a campus that we will NEVER set foot on again.

Texans' stadium, Rice Stadium, even that Shell Energy soccer stadium (that's also used for football) is preferable to playing in that Shithole-campus known as Cougar High. Not after the 2001 stadium-gate "Texas fans go in the dangerous rickety stands and aren't allowed in the empty stadium seats" Bullshit..... Consequences must be dished out.

In fairness, they tore Jeppesen Stadium down.  The new stadium is just on the same site.

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7 hours ago, PilotsError said:

The Iran comparison was uh...quite the comparison.  

I don't know that the suggestion was to nuke Iran.  The song simply went:  Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran;  Bomb, bomb bomb, bomb, bomb Iran;  Bomb Iraaan....

sung to the beach boys "Barbara Ann."

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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/big-12/2023/01/27/2023-big-12-football-schedule-delay-tied-up-with-future-ou-move-to-sec/69848875007/

What are the chances the conference exacts a little revenge on OU and Texas by not scheduling the annual Red River Shootout? In essence, the conference would be telling them that if OU and Texas want to continue the uninterrupted series, they must do so in 2023 as a non-conference game?

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/big-12/2023/01/27/2023-big-12-football-schedule-delay-tied-up-with-future-ou-move-to-sec/69848875007/

What are the chances the conference exacts a little revenge on OU and Texas by not scheduling the annual Red River Shootout? In essence, the conference would be telling them that if OU and Texas want to continue the uninterrupted series, they must do so in 2023 as a non-conference game?

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Cross-posting since this fills in potential answers to financials...

Seems like $16mill given up by each of the "Left Behind Eight" to add  Cincy/UH/BYU/UCF is a big part of this negotiation.  Plus Texas/blOU agreeing to a few games with FOX to compensate them.

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$16mil x 8 = $128mil.  Guess Texas and blOU will likely pay $64mil a piece.

Edit:  More recent video says 60-65% of this number is now likely plus Texas & blOU agreeing to additional games on FOX to compensate for their early departure from B12.

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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/big-12/2023/01/27/2023-big-12-football-schedule-delay-tied-up-with-future-ou-move-to-sec/69848875007/
What are the chances the conference exacts a little revenge on OU and Texas by not scheduling the annual Red River Shootout? In essence, the conference would be telling them that if OU and Texas want to continue the uninterrupted series, they must do so in 2023 as a non-conference game?

Zero. While if they actually did it I don’t think I could help but laugh at the pettiness, the Big 12 is not throwing its marquee game out. It would be a huge story that would flip the narrative from the Big 12 being a victim of OU/Texas’s greed to a villain; a vengeful ex that can’t move on. Texas and OU would also schedule a non conference game with SEC branding all over it.
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Sounds good and is fun to think about but this is on the same level of thinking of people who say "let's just nuke Iran and turn the middle east to GLASS!!!!!1!"  The repetitional and media hit we'd take for forfeiting a game b/c Houston was incompetent in setting up their stadium 20 years ago would be massive and lasting.  It would give yet another excuse for the national media who already want to shit on Texas to do so, and the ensuing pile on from other fanbases about "cowardly" Texas, regardless of the real reasons.
Thankfully our admin are adults.  "The best revenge is living well."  Go play at Houston, beat them by 4 TDs at their place.  Stomp the rest of the Big12 and win the title on our way out with middle fingers held high.  That's the plan.

Everyone involved at the administrative level is long gone. It’s like still turning your nose up at playing aggy, but even dumber given that it’s literally one game. Texas was always going to get stuck with a couple of road trips to B12 newcomers. That one is just a couple hours away and a de facto home game is a good outcome.
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1 hour ago, gmr548 said:


Everyone involved at the administrative level is long gone. It’s like still turning your nose up at playing aggy, but even dumber given that it’s literally one game. Texas was always going to get stuck with a couple of road trips to B12 newcomers. That one is just a couple hours away and a de facto home game is a good outcome.

No, it’s glorious. Bellmont goes out of its way to be gracious, hospitable, amenable. Share revenue, even though you’ll always be a taker and not a giver? Sure! Appoint us as your rival, and focus efforts on us, even though we don’t have time for you? That’s the fun of the sport! 
 
Try to endanger and cheat our fans, just because you want to? You’re on the list forever. Cautionary tales don’t work unless they have some bite, and sometimes the big friendly giant has to remind you that he’s a giant. 

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On 1/26/2023 at 7:48 PM, TKthunder2 said:

To be fair they aren’t just losing the RRSO. During the regular season this year FOX/FS1 had a Texas or Oklahoma game every weekend except for the RRSO which was on ABC this year, a week where OU had a bye, and one random week where Texas was on ABC and OU was on ESPN2.

So FOX is losing roughly 10 games each year. They still have the same number of game inventory, but the quality will take a hit without Texas/OU.

So, let's just get every Texas fan to not watch or go to any non-home games this season.

Almost like an aggy boycott, and just as likely to fail.

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bleachergate would have been forgotten if fertitta hadn's pissed and moaned about the houston campus

aggy can buy other schools across the state, slap their logo on it, and there's no protest but god help us if we want to build a world-class international campus in a major city that would create tens of thousands of jobs

if the idiots wants to pass on an extra $25m from playing at nrg so they can prove a point by playing at robertson2, whatever

i still can't believe mcraven of all people rolled over when they bitched about the houston campus

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

No, it’s glorious. Bellmont goes out of its way to be gracious, hospitable, amenable. Share revenue, even though you’ll always be a taker and not a giver? Sure! Appoint us as your rival, and focus efforts on us, even though we don’t have time for you? That’s the fun of the sport! 
 
Try to endanger and cheat our fans, just because you want to? You’re on the list forever. Cautionary tales don’t work unless they have some bite, and sometimes the big friendly giant has to remind you that he’s a giant. 

What do you think we're doing by leaving the Big12?  I'd say that has some bite for those remaining.

Texas doesn't have the power here with regard to the schedule.  Until we're out of the conference, we play by the conference's rules.  Or I guess just forfeit because we're sad and stuff, which is a great look to our new conference mates in the SEC.

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43 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

bleachergate would have been forgotten if fertitta hadn's pissed and moaned about the houston campus

aggy can buy other schools across the state, slap their logo on it, and there's no protest but god help us if we want to build a world-class international campus in a major city that would create tens of thousands of jobs

if the idiots wants to pass on an extra $25m from playing at nrg so they can prove a point by playing at robertson2, whatever

i still can't believe mcraven of all people rolled over when they bitched about the houston campus

Whatever ended up happening with that Houston campus? I remember there being a big hearing with Bill McRaven and Fenves with Renu Khator throwing a fit about it. Whatever ended up coming to be? 

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