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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

  If, for example, it turns out that we get gold-standard research that says that hormone treatment is worse than leaving it medically untreated 99% of the time, then I think most folks here would be comfortable saying "well then, the medical profession shouldn't be recommending that course of treatment."  And vice-versa.

Lmao, just the concept of that is hilarious

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Ana’s position is that the medical establishment in this country was relying on junk science. Such a position follows along with the wing nut right’s, and also Putin’s bot army’s, goal of sowing doubt about the institutions in the USA.  He threw down the Cass Review, which was not peer reviewed. 
 

The larger issue is the normalization of politics masquerading as science. Look to the Texas state bill which would outlaw mRNA based vaccines. Look at the decimation of the NIH and it’s funding of research.

https://kerrcountylead.com/virdell-to-lead-the-effort-to-ban-mrna-vaccines-in-texas/

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14 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Are you always a little bitch?

Lol.  Biggest man on the internet, per usual.  Never change bud.  

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh look, the school shootings troll is mad that someone else got suspended for trolling.

Lol.  I'm not mad at all.  I'm assuming Ana is a big boy, and can handle a ban from his "shit posting".  I can understand the feeling when every person I disagree with is silenced so I can discuss things with only like minded individuals I guess.  It's the claim that now "both sides" can be discussed and its now a very productive conversation that I find absolutely fucking comical.  And that's said with a straight face by a bunch of highly educated and "deep thinking" posters.   L.  O.   L. 

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34 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yeah.  Completely opposite sides those two are on.  The only dissenting voice on the last 10 pages of the thread took a weeks vacation.

Well, you're right in that I don't think most of us here are on "opposite" sides.  But the sides were compassion and thoughtful engagement.  I opened myself up to this thread in front of a group of people.  Some of whom very deservedly could have slammed me for my past interactions with them.  Instead they treated me kindly and respected what I was going through.  So add humility to my side.  And gratefulness. 

If you want to dissent on those qualities, well I won't attack.  But would prefer not to engage.  And I realize when I write that I'm kind of painting you in a corner.   I can't speak to the Anastasis conflict since I wasn't a part of it.  But then I wonder what other "side" you think is being silenced.  My takeaway is honest discourse can be still be had.  What's yours?

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4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lol.  Biggest man on the internet, per usual.  Never change bud.  

Lol.  I'm not mad at all.  I'm assuming Ana is a big boy, and can handle a ban from his "shit posting".  I can understand the feeling when every person I disagree with is silenced so I can discuss things with only like minded individuals I guess.  It's the claim that now "both sides" can be discussed and its now a very productive conversation that I find absolutely fucking comical.  And that's said with a straight face by a bunch of highly educated and "deep thinking" posters.   L.  O.   L. 

I'm not mad please don't put in the newspaper that I got mad

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1 minute ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Well, you're right in that I don't think most of us here are on "opposite" sides.  But the sides were compassion and thoughtful engagement.  I opened myself up to this thread in front of a group of people.  Some of whom very deservedly could have slammed me for my past interactions with them.  Instead they treated me kindly and respected what I was going through.  So add humility to my side.  And gratefulness. 

If you want to dissent on those qualities, well I won't attack.  But would prefer not to engage.  And I realize when I write that I'm kind of painting you in a corner.   I can't speak to the Anastasis conflict since I wasn't a part of it.  But then I wonder what other "side" you think is being silenced.  My takeaway is honest discourse can be still be had.  What's yours?

I don't disagree.  Hell, it appears he even tried to DM you, and I assume that wasn't to be aggro or an asshole.     Unless I missed it, no one treated you in a disrespectful manner.   I read your entire posts (over last few pages anyhow) and hope it works out for your family, in whatever manner that means. 

I don't have any strong feelings on the subject, one way or the other.  I read what Troph and others post from their experiences, and that's about it.   I just thought it was out of character for this website's typical moderation, and reminded me of another that we very often bag on.   And to be honest, I was surprised at the level of Yay, the only person challenging my thoughts is now removed so we can all discuss our exact same ideas in unison.  That's not typical from some of the more prolific and intelligent posters posting in this thread.     In the last 48 hours I've seen the moderation of "don't put death threats and idea of public acts of terror on this site, chill out with it" and also "fuck, you, no fuck you, you're banned".        

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

I don't disagree.  Hell, it appears he even tried to DM you, and I assume that wasn't to be aggro or an asshole.     Unless I missed it, no one treated you in a disrespectful manner.   I read your entire posts (over last few pages anyhow) and hope it works out for your family, in whatever manner that means. 

I don't have any strong feelings on the subject, one way or the other.  I read what Troph and others post from their experiences, and that's about it.   I just thought it was out of character for this website's typical moderation, and reminded me of another that we very often bag on.   And to be honest, I was surprised at the level of Yay, the only person challenging my thoughts is now removed so we can all discuss our exact same ideas in unison.  That's not typical from some of the more prolific and intelligent posters posting in this thread.     In the last 48 hours I've seen the moderation of "don't put death threats and idea of public acts of terror on this site, chill out with it" and also "fuck, you, no fuck you, you're banned".        

My only strong feeling is that you're not actually entitled to a debate even if you really really want to have one on whatever stupid thoughts are in your head. And when I say you, I mean the Royal You, not necessarily you individually.

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7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

My only strong feeling is that you're not actually entitled to a debate even if you really really want to have one on whatever stupid thoughts are in your head. And when I say you, I mean the Royal You, not necessarily you individually.

Why do you want to shut down the internet?   In actuality, I quit posting my thoughts on these threads long ago, so #partofthesolution

LOL royiv.   Get it all out honey. 

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Just now, fattyflattie said:

Why do you want to shut down the internet?   In actuality, I quit posting my thoughts on these threads long ago, so #partofthesolution

Yet, here you are complaining about the persecution of a troll.

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16 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don't disagree.  Hell, it appears he even tried to DM you, and I assume that wasn't to be aggro or an asshole.     Unless I missed it, no one treated you in a disrespectful manner.   I read your entire posts (over last few pages anyhow) and hope it works out for your family, in whatever manner that means. 

I don't have any strong feelings on the subject, one way or the other.  I read what Troph and others post from their experiences, and that's about it.   I just thought it was out of character for this website's typical moderation, and reminded me of another that we very often bag on.   And to be honest, I was surprised at the level of Yay, the only person challenging my thoughts is now removed so we can all discuss our exact same ideas in unison.  That's not typical from some of the more prolific and intelligent posters posting in this thread.     In the last 48 hours I've seen the moderation of "don't put death threats and idea of public acts of terror on this site, chill out with it" and also "fuck, you, no fuck you, you're banned".        

You answered me, so I'll just weigh in a bit more. Thank you for the kind wishes.   I have no idea about the DM thing. I also would assume he didn't wish to troll me.    I don't think I purposely turned them off and he's not on my ignore list. Again, I welcome any honest interaction.  In perusing the Anastasis and reaction posts I have to be careful lest I be hypocritical.  But I would say there wasn't much in the way of discourse or dialogue going on at that point.  Instead there was anger and sniping.   Having sometimes spent months away from this place, either due to being busy or due to politics and life just depressing me, I don't personally find a week off to be all that big of a deal.  And I get the concept of a cool off period.  Hell, I have to take cool off periods kind of often lately (edit: in life,  I mean).

And while some may be celebrating him being gone, based on my personal experiences here,  I would interpret it more as people celebrating a calmer discussion without the need to score internet gotcha points (and yes, some are going to say that's the same picture).  But that's admittedly me.   Either way, take care.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

Yet, here you are complaining about the persecution of a troll.

*Lolzing and celebrating hypocrisy, sir.    And Ana is far from a troll.   He holds some very strong views on several subjects that go against the flow/politics if this board.  But he's been here for 20(?) years and is routinely engaged with some of our most prolific posters in deep conversations.   Lately, he seems to have held onto those convictions even a bit tighter, but being passionate isn't trolling.  

 

1 minute ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

And while some may be celebrating him being gone, based on my personal experiences here,  I would interpret it more as people celebrating a calmer discussion without the need to score internet gotcha points (and yes, some are going to say that's the same picture).  But that's admittedly me. 

I'd would agree in regards to this thread.  But it's being celebrated in at least the pope thread as well.   Like I said above, if this as your typical animal+tobbacco level posting, it would be different.  In any case, he'll take a week or more off and maybe come back and reengage, maybe not.  I don't really care other than sometimes he has some spirited thoughts on subjects here. 

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On 5/7/2025 at 5:09 PM, Anastasis said:

 

 

Kindness is not found in standing by silently while we inappropriately medicate children with no sound medical evidence basis. It is crazy talk to suggest that compassion is found in false hope and delusions and wishful thinking. The emotive arguments are the realm of ideological driven quackery. This is not an evolved state of being. 

 

You don't have children do you?

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

In actuality, I quit posting my thoughts on these threads long ago, so #partofthesolution

In actuality, this is what we want - people like you to stop poisoning the minds of others with their toxic thoughts, so thanks for shutting the fuck up. we appreciate it! now please return to your regularly scheduled shutting the fuck up

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10 minutes ago, troph said:

if you aren't trans or if a loved one of yours isn't trans then there is no side for you to be on. none whatsoever. the both sides is what to do about it - treat it or wait to see what happens, those are two sides to the issue when you take politics out of it.  the side that wants to interject politics into it with legal bans from a party that turns around and says "but parental rights" is fucking hypocrisy at its finest. and the states that want to let a child determine their own future without parental involvement - at least to me - is problematic as well. So yes there are two sides to the issue among sane humans who chose to accept transness as a mere fact and chose not to politicize it.

to put it bluntly, there are facts that are immutable at this point - gender dysphoria is a real thing, transition is the best treatment for those with gender dysphoria. there cannot be both sides on the facts. there can be both sides on how to treat it. those who advocate for bans don't believe transition is an effective treatment (but they realize they can't really stop adults at least not right now from transitioning).

facts are not both sides, what to do about the facts can be and here it's how to go about treating the situation humanely and effectively.  anyone who cannot join that conversation deserved to be banned from the conversation - and frankly I'm not talking about Ana, I'm talking about the larger society.

there I said it, facts are not up for debate.

 

But you didn't address the main question: Can I shoot gender dysphoria with a gun?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

But you didn't address the main question: Can I shoot gender dysphoria with a gun?

How many rounds does the clip hold?

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16 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

But you didn't address the main question: Can I shoot gender dysphoria with a gun?

I fucking wish. 

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37 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

But you didn't address the main question: Can I shoot gender dysphoria with a gun?

 

33 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:


Depends on the bullet. Gotta know the caliber and all.

 

31 minutes ago, royiv said:

How many rounds does the clip hold?

 

31 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

MAGAZINE you idiot

Maybe Surly shouldn't be added to the enshitification thread yet. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

In actuality, this is what we want - people like you to stop poisoning the minds of others with their toxic thoughts, so thanks for shutting the fuck up. we appreciate it! now please return to your regularly scheduled shutting the fuck up

Wish you wouldn't have posted this as I don't really have the time anymore.  But generally fucking up your day even the slightest  bit does truly make me happy, way down deep in the cockles of my heart.     Imagine being you and still believing that Ana is the poster that sucks.  

 

 

52 minutes ago, troph said:

if you aren't trans or if a loved one of yours isn't trans then there is no side for you to be on. none whatsoever.

Literally what I posted upthread.  

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I don't have any strong feelings on the subject, one way or the other.  I read what Troph and others post from their experiences, and that's about it.

 

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5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Wish you wouldn't have posted this as I don't really have the time anymore.  But generally fucking up your day even the slightest  bit does truly make me happy, way down deep in the cockles of my heart.     Imagine being you and still believing that Ana is the poster that sucks.

wat?

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2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

 

 

 

Maybe Surly shouldn't be added to the enshitification thread yet. 

 

 

Wish you wouldn't have posted this as I don't really have the time anymore.  But generally fucking up your day even the slightest  bit does truly make me happy, way down deep in the cockles of my heart.     Imagine being you and still believing that Ana is the poster that sucks.  

 

 

Literally what I posted upthread.  

 

But you do have strong feelings about it you think Ana’s position represents one of the sides. That position is the very fucking problem we are talking about. It’s destroying lives, and frankly our society over what should be a private decision between patients, parents for minors, and healthcare and mental healthcare professionals. Full stop. 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

But you do have strong feelings about it you think Ana’s position represents one of the sides. That position is the very fucking problem we are talking about. It’s destroying lives, and frankly our society over what should be a private decision between patients, parents for minors, and healthcare and mental healthcare professionals. Full stop. 

Ana's position (as I understand his posts) does represent some type of side, incorrect or otherwise.  Same as a host of other issues like abortion, assisted suicide, etc. etc.    There is a side that will be correct, and one that will prove not to be.  Me personally, I'm a big proponent of involving the parents in ALL care up to when they become adults, but I can understand how that can be an issue with subjects such as abortion, transitioning, etc. in certain households (RELIGOUS or hateful)

I don't understand your statement, because I do not have strong, or even weak, feelings for any of it.    I understand this is one of the biggest parts of your life (in general, not so much the young transitioning), but the last person with gender dysphoria (is this correct term?) I saw was when I was Christmas shopping last year.  Just not something I see or that's on my mind outside of reading on this site, or conversating with...you.  Anyways, tight lines @troph

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While I get exercised about folks denigrating the expertise of those who have earned the right to be called experts, especially when the denigrator can’t explain what they are talking about, I absolutely understand the imperative of minding one’s own business. And, despite my brother’s family having a direct connection to this particular issue, it is none of my business, other than deciding whether to be supportive, to be a shit heel, or to totally disengage. Which is being a shit heel, too.

Keep politics out of medical research. And eliminate the parasitic middlemen with the hypocritical misnomer: health insurers.

 

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