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14 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

I think Arch inside the 15 every possession would be something. What you said and if its not there, tuck it and run.

That was an incredible run he made for that first TD.  Didn't he get hit at the LOS? Shrugged off a tackle, raced to the five, tiptoed to the pylon? Also incredible that the refs corrected their initial call. And WTF, they did it on the Blue catch as well. Holy shit.

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Quinn threw a great deep ball. Wife claims it’s because the ankle boot cemented his feet into the turf to get proper leverage on the pass. #quinnshouldplayinabootforever. 

Might be right. During the broadcast, they mentioned it went over the shoe.
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13 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

It was a 100% a RPO, with Davis in the flat being the primary receiver, but York didn't buy the fake and Davis was "covered." Quinn didn't pull the trigger and tried to run for the 1st down but was chased down from behind by the aggy edge.

You're so sure I'm starting to doubt myself. I need to see a replay.

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17 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


You sure? I could have sworn he missed one to the left from inside 30. I can’t remember though.

Our kicking situation could be so much worse lol

 

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17 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

You're so sure I'm starting to doubt myself. I need to see a replay.

I have been proven wrong in this thread before, so I went at looked at it again before I posted. He does the whole knee bend fake hand off look and immediately looks at Davis in the flat. Golden is run blocking, so the only real option is Davis, but York doesn't bite on the run look and stays outside. Quinn pumps to Davis instead of throwing the ball, the window was there, but Davis likely gets blown up. Quinn thinks he has the angle but their edge comes free and chases him down from behind. Quinn doesn't secure the ball until after their edge already is in the process of punching at the ball.

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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Man most of you guys are cunts that don't understand the game of football one bit. You can't have the number one defense without a solid offense. If the offense can't move the ball the defense will get a lot of plays run against it and eventually fold. It is also extremely difficult to run the ball without the defense respecting the pass. All night our offense moved the ball and played keep away from the Aggy O so our defense didn't have to defend for too many plays and stayed fresh. 

 

That's something that has to be respected and acknowledged. You guys forget that. You spend so much time fixated on every negative of Quinn that you can't appreciate the positives. This team is 11-1 and it's not just because of the defense. Aggys defense was frothing at the mouth. There should've been multiple personal fouls on their secondary. They were going to make a play at some point. 

Your constant non-sensical spinning makes people want to be more critical of Quinn than they actually feel. If you want the negativity to wane, stop doing this shit. 
 

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I have been proven wrong in this thread before, so I went at looked at it again before I posted. He does the whole knee bend fake hand off look and immediately looks at Davis in the flat. Golden is run blocking, so the only real option is Davis, but York doesn't bite on the run look and stays outside. Quinn pumps to Davis instead of throwing the ball, the window was there, but Davis likely gets blown up. Quinn thinks he has the angle but their edge comes free and chases him down from behind. Quinn doesn't secure the ball until after their edge already is in the process of punching at the ball.

Yeah. That’s a fuckup by Quinn then. If York doesn’t bite on the handoff then he is supposed to hand the ball off. That’s kinda the whole point.

ETA: Someone that knows more about this than me, which is a lot of people can explain this better. Maybe he isn’t actually supposed to read the coverage assignment for Davis but is actually just checking an LB/safety to see if they drop, resulting in a light box. If not then it’s just dropping back and looking for an open guy. I’m actually not sure.

Regardless. Tuck the ball and anticipate contact when you take off like that.
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3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

. And he had no business running with the ball like that and not tucking it, slide or no slide. 

...only he DID tuck the ball, he had it high and tight.  The aggy defender made a great play punching the ball out from the top, which hardly ever happens, I can think of maybe once or twice I've seen a punch out from the top, it's almost always from underneath or a helmet on the ball.  The only thing he could have done better there was putting 2 hands over the ball, which is a lot to ask as you're entering a slide.  That was just a great defensive play.  Now should he have been running to begin with, different question...granted he did scramble for 20 yards on a gimp ankle earlier, so...

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I gave Quinn his props for the game and performance and the gutsy plays earlier but he did have some bad plays/decisions.   
 

I don’t understand the need to pretend he didn’t because we won the game.  This courtesy to limit criticism doesn’t extend to Bert, the punter, Blue when he fumbles or any other player on the team.  They are rightly critiqued and no one flies in to go “shut up 11-1”.  
 

I think the constant down playing and deflecting from his issues makes others double down on their criticism and the circle continues making the thread seem more negative than it is.  I mean this thread started off as a Quinn worship thread and he gets praise when he does well.  But it’s ok if he gets criticism when he makes mistakes.  
 

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3 minutes ago, GTJ1982 said:

I gave Quinn his props for the game and performance and the gutsy plays earlier but he did have some bad plays/decisions.   
 

I don’t understand the need to pretend he didn’t because we won the game.  This courtesy to limit criticism doesn’t extend to Bert, the punter, Blue when he fumbles or any other player on the team.  They are rightly critiqued and no one flies in to go “shut up 11-1”.  
 

I think the constant down playing and deflecting from his issues makes others double down on theories criticism and the circle continues making the thread seem more negative than it is.  I mean this thread started off as a Quinn worship thread and he gets praise when he does well.  But it’s ok if he gets criticism when he makes mistakes.  
 

It's not the criticism, it's the certitude of the morons crying for the back up. 

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Great game from Quinn. Navigated the pocket, hit deep throws, ran when needed. Bond was out of sync, helm didn’t look for the ball on first drive and Niblack dropped one that went right through his hands. He played awesome. 
 

His two turnovers kept it from being an all time great ass kicking. The int was horrible. 

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41 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

It's not the criticism, it's the certitude of the morons crying for the back up. 

The backup that scored our first TD on a badass 4th down run? Who we wanted ready to play in this game and it worked out? 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The backup that scored our first TD on a badass 4th down run? Who we wanted ready to play in this game and it worked out? 

 

 

Yes, that one. Of course he should be ready, don't be a dolt. It's the people who've been calling for a QB change for weeks, who are now of course slowly changing their tunes.

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Pretty certain it was split zone rpo on the fumble. Inside zone run blocking with the tight end coming across the line from the other side. Most of the time the TE kicks out the DE but on this play Quinn is reading him to determine whether to hand off or do the pass to the TE in the flat. It was the right read since the DE squeezed but the aggy LB diagnoses well and covers Davis quickly. At that point the call is probably to just run it like he did since there isn’t really another route on the play.

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4 hours ago, gurt said:

Pretty certain it was split zone rpo on the fumble. Inside zone run blocking with the tight end coming across the line from the other side. Most of the time the TE kicks out the DE but on this play Quinn is reading him to determine whether to hand off or do the pass to the TE in the flat. It was the right read since the DE squeezed but the aggy LB diagnoses well and covers Davis quickly. At that point the call is probably to just run it like he did since there isn’t really another route on the play.

Looks correct. 

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6 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I have been proven wrong in this thread before, so I went at looked at it again before I posted. He does the whole knee bend fake hand off look and immediately looks at Davis in the flat. Golden is run blocking, so the only real option is Davis, but York doesn't bite on the run look and stays outside. Quinn pumps to Davis instead of throwing the ball, the window was there, but Davis likely gets blown up. Quinn thinks he has the angle but their edge comes free and chases him down from behind. Quinn doesn't secure the ball until after their edge already is in the process of punching at the ball.

Thanks for the breakdown. I haven't looked at a replay yet but yeah if the WR and OL are run blocking that's either an RPO or a broken play.  

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Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

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2 hours ago, orthohorn said:

Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

A do fuckin what? This is a highly regarded 5th post. Well done sir. 

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2 hours ago, orthohorn said:

Quinn not a pussy but just isn't that good and he is just realizing it. The world is willing him to be a superstar but just doesn't that high of a ceiling.

The big problem IMO is his draft stock obviously plummeted during the season and is in his head about keeping up the 1st rounder facade and getting the rookie contract.

I love Quinn for the things he's done for the University, but he's gotta hope that some NFL takes a chance on a QB that is not that big or mobile, can't hit the deep ball, has the worst kind of consistent injury history, makes bad decisions under pressure, and has flatlined or regressed with every conceivable advantage that a QB can have under Sark.

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

This is brave. A lot more truth in this post, than people want to admit. I disagree on the ceiling. His arm talent is legit. He is not playing anywhere near his talent level. His 68.1 grade by PFF is evidence of that. 71.4 QBR is another legitimate indicator of mediocre overall performance. He is wildly inconsistent. Struggles with pressure and deep balls. Fact that people get excited when he hits one every couple games attests to that. This is a defensive team and an OL team. Texas just needs him to make veteran decisions and not be a liability from here out. Hopefully, he finds his groove for the playoffs.

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3 hours ago, orthohorn said:

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

I think we would have to see a historic meltdown from Quinn in order for that to happen. 

So basically the first half of the Georgia game. 

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1 minute ago, Your Mom said:

Armchair psychologists that “know” what’s in Quinn’s head based on his play are my favorite.  

You’re touchy about that.  What’s your relationship with your mom like?

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22 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

This team will be noticeably better next year on offense I’d bet with Baxter coming back and Arch.  

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

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22 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Man most of you guys are cunts that don't understand the game of football one bit. You can't have the number one defense without a solid offense. If the offense can't move the ball the defense will get a lot of plays run against it and eventually fold. It is also extremely difficult to run the ball without the defense respecting the pass. All night our offense moved the ball and played keep away from the Aggy O so our defense didn't have to defend for too many plays and stayed fresh. ng to make a play at some point. 

To your point, our time of possession advantage was nearly 10 minutes.

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5 hours ago, orthohorn said:

At some point in the playoffs, Sark is going to have to decide if he is going to squander an iconic year in a "down" SEC where you have an elite defense, elite OL, effective supporting running game for the sake of saving QE

Squander an iconic year? What? 

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23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

Yes.. Goosby looked great in his first start and that is encouraging, but he is not the only one. Seems likely to lose 4 (Banks, Cam, Majors, and Conner). Could lose the top 3 in receptions and rec yards (Helm, Golden, and Bond). This is going to be a completely different team next year. That is not factoring in the defensive losses. QB is likely to have a much bigger load next year.

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I don't know how anyone might know this without asking Sark or the players involved, but there were at least 3 pass attempts on Saturday where Quinn and his receiver were not even close to being on the same page (2X Bond, 1X Helm).  Do any of you football theorists have any insight as to where the blame lies?  I tend to default to blaming the receiver for running the wrong route, but I don't really have any solid evidence there.  Sometimes the QB or receiver will do the "my bad" gesture but I didn't see that on Saturday.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know how anyone might know this without asking Sark or the players involved, but there were at least 3 pass attempts on Saturday where Quinn and his receiver were not even close to being on the same page (2X Bond, 1X Helm).  Do any of you football theorists have any insight as to where the blame lies?  I tend to default to blaming the receiver for running the wrong route, but I don't really have any solid evidence there.  Sometimes the QB or receiver will do the "my bad" gesture but I didn't see that on Saturday.

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

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23 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Quinn threw a great deep ball. Wife claims it’s because the ankle boot cemented his feet into the turf to get proper leverage on the pass. #quinnshouldplayinabootforever. 

i choose to believe this as truth and ewers will now be a deep ball machine 

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29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

To your point, our time of possession advantage was nearly 10 minutes.

That's because Quinn threw a pick 6. We basically had the ball on offense for 10 straight game minutes, both drives ending with a turnover. 

 

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I think the one to Helm was just that Helm didn’t recognize or notice the blitz so hadn’t turned his head when Quinn threw the ball early out of necessity

Yeah, I think Quinn let that one go a little early and Helm wasn’t expecting it.
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17 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

First pass to Bond of the game, Quinn went long and Bond didn't. Bond was off all night, and the was wearing a knee sleeve on that 3rd down pass in the 4Q. I think he's playing through some stuff right now and it was affecting him mentally against aggy.

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12 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

I think the one to Helm was just that Helm didn’t recognize or notice the blitz so hadn’t turned his head when Quinn threw the ball early out of necessity

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

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8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

First pass to Bond of the game, Quinn went long and Bond didn't. Bond was off all night, and the was wearing a knee sleeve on that 3rd down pass in the 4Q. I think he's playing through some stuff right now and it was affecting him mentally against aggy.

Couldnt tell on that one. TV never showed a view of the secondary.

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27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

3rd down was definitely on Bond. I dont remember the other 2.

Bond just doesn't look right.  Not sure what they showed on tv but from the stands I noticed him kind of limping off the field after running a route numerous times.  Biggest benefit to the bye week would be to hopefully get him and Moore back to 100%.  

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's wishful thinking.  I imagine Arch will play his way into an upgrade, maybe from the jump, but losing that offensive line is a problem.  Goosby showed out well, so losing Banks may not be as bad as some might have thought, but there are a lot of starts leaving the 40 Acres.

And honestly, if CJ ends up being an upgrade over current Wisner, then he'll probably be a Heisman candidate.  Regardless, our RB corps should be insane.

The team IMO will be a better overall run blocking team and with a healthy baxter/wisner we will be more like a playaction big shot team....

 

Even if pass blocking is a bit rough Arch has pretty good feel for pocket and working pocket plus he's strong, fast, and athletic. 

 

The OL being lost is only a problem if you're replacing with freshmen. You'll have 2 guys with multiple starts on the line, all players on said line except maybe Baker will be 3rd year players or later. 

 

I be the offensive is a lot more explosive next year than this year.

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17 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Bond just doesn't look right.  Not sure what they showed on tv but from the stands I noticed him kind of limping off the field after running a route numerous times.  Biggest benefit to the bye week would be to hopefully get him and Moore back to 100%.  

Agreed. That was a concerning effort. Hopefully just a bad day and he bounces back vs. UGA. 

 

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The team IMO will be a better overall run blocking team and with a healthy baxter/wisner we will be more like a playaction big shot team....

 

The OL being lost is only a problem if you're replacing with freshmen. You'll have 2 guys with multiple starts on the line, all players on said line except maybe Baker will be 3rd year players or later. 

Texas is coming off 2 straight games with 240 or more yards rushing. They also have the #1 defense in the country, that loses a lot of quality players. There is going to be a lot more pressure on the offense to put up pts. Though we all assumed that last year and this team looks more like an Akers team than a Sark team.

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Texas is coming off 2 straight games with 240 or more yards rushing. They also have the #1 defense in the country, that loses a lot of quality players. There is going to be a lot more pressure on the offense to put up pts. Though we all assumed that last year and this team looks more like an Akers team than a Sark team.

Can't help it QB can't throw deep....I just see what I see when our second teamers are in and they're mauling people in run blocking. I'm glad we have shown what we have in the 4th quarters vs Arkansas/Kentucky plus the A&M game but we haven't done that consistently all season. 

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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Agreed. That was a concerning effort. Hopefully just a bad day and he bounces back vs. UGA. 

 

I think it's clear he's hobbled.  Similar to Worthy end of the year last year (and we all know he never got right).  Best case scenario is we get the bye.  I wonder if Sark considers sitting him this week because it's all over the All 22 film.   I don't think Georgia is going to respect him as a deep threat.

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6 minutes ago, touchthemonolith said:

Damn, imagine Texas going 11-1, with Wisner rushing for damn near 200 yards, and yet still being salty that we aren't winning with the type of QB play that you'd prefer.

and back to the strawman arguments.

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