Just how down is ou?

[Mitch Cumsteen 18327]

11 hours ago, statsman said:

Isn’t a lot of this why they fired Schnellenberger after just one year?

There was that and it was also reported that he was drunk. Regardless, it's pretty exciting that we are harkening back to the Shnellenberger era at OU. Time is a flat meth lab.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1995/12/24/undercurrents-of-concern-led-to-ou-grid-coach-change/62369634007/

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Another senior player, who didn't want his name used, said before Schnellenberger's era, he had not seen OU coaches act like that, "the verbal abuse and them grabbing you by the face mask and jerking you. I've seen more verbal abuse this past year than I have previous years.

"He said something like we weren't working hard enough because we didn't pass out," one player said. "He said stretching was overrated. " 

 

[Sawbonz 26736]

He also withheld water during fall camp practices. Precipitated sickling crises in a player with sickle cell trait, something you usually only see at altitude 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

15 hours ago, Bullneck said:

I think so too.  What I meant was that it has been a pretty one-sided rivalry and OSU has lost to OU out of habit some years even with better teams.  This year is going to be the karma/payback tour, like Mackovic's 1997 year. 

Also, I just watched that BV interview.  Holy shit, the confluence of dumb and squirrely. What you would actually expect someone from Oklahoma to be like.  

While the rivalry is one-sided for sure, and I will *NEVER* "feel good" about any Bedlam game EVER, I do disagree with this somewhat.

The problem is that OU *has* been the better team, like for probably 98% of the program's history, even including the Gundy era.  In fact, I would argue there have only been three years in 15 seasons under Gundy that OSU had the clear cut "better" team in the game:

• 2011
• 2013
• 2022

OSU went 2-1 in those games, with the only loss being the debacle in the snow in 2013. That one was pretty brutal because we win the Big 12 for the second time in three years if we win that game and handed Rape U their first Big 12 title a week after we curbstomped them.

There have been a few other years that I would consider more "coin toss" game... 2010, but (of course) Justin Blackmon was injured in that game and then 2012, in which we lost in OT in Norman.  So it sucks to lose those, but then Gundy also got one back with the win in Norman in 2014 as a massive underdog.

So TL;DR: OSU has a shitty record against OUsux because they are prohibitively better like 98% of the time. Gundy has won 2 of the 3 times when he had the clearly better team.

[Chili dog 1787]

1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

While the rivalry is one-sided for sure, and I will *NEVER* "feel good" about any Bedlam game EVER, I do disagree with this somewhat.

The problem is that OU *has* been the better team, like for probably 98% of the program's history, even including the Gundy era.  In fact, I would argue there have only been three years in 15 seasons under Gundy that OSU had the clear cut "better" team in the game:

• 2011
• 2013
• 2022

OSU went 2-1 in those games, with the only loss being the debacle in the snow in 2013. That one was pretty brutal because we win the Big 12 for the second time in three years if we win that game and handed Rape U their first Big 12 title a week after we curbstomped them.

There have been a few other years that I would consider more "coin toss" game... 2010, but (of course) Justin Blackmon was injured in that game and then 2012, in which we lost in OT in Norman.  So it sucks to lose those, but then Gundy also got one back with the win in Norman in 2014 as a massive underdog.

So TL;DR: OSU has a shitty record against OUsux because they are prohibitively better like 98% of the time. Gundy has won 2 of the 3 times when he had the clearly better team.

I’m assuming you meant to say y’all were the better team in 2021? I think you’re the better team this year, too, but you can’t count this year in your 2-1 record (yet… actually, yeah, you probably can, so 3-1?)

[kilroydos 266]

7 hours ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

its muthafucka!

I will absolutely accept the correction, if only based on your name.

[Valmy77 12519]

2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

handed Rape U their first Big 12 title a week after we curbstomped them.

Well...Mack Brown had something to do with that. Probably should have kept running Malcolm Brown instead of trying to ride Case McCoy's arm to victory. I hope he was thinking about that while killing himself in Florida later.

[Tex48 829]

4 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well...Mack Brown had something to do with that. Probably should have kept running Malcolm Brown instead of trying to ride Case McCoy's arm to victory. I hope he was thinking about that while killing himself in Florida later.

If we beat Baylor in the 2013 game, do we win the 4 way tie for the B12 title? (Didn't start following the Horns until I went to UT in 2017. Neither of my parents were Horns)

[Valmy77 12519]

Just now, Tex48 said:

If we beat Baylor in the 2013 game, do we win the 4 way tie for the B12 title? (Didn't start following the Horns until I went to UT in 2017. Neither of my parents were Horns)

Yes. We would have been Big 12 champs. But Mack had a talent for losing the Big 12. He did it in just about every way conceivable. It takes a lot of shit to go wrong for somebody with his winning percentage only have two conference titles.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

1 hour ago, Chili dog said:

I’m assuming you meant to say y’all were the better team in 2021? I think you’re the better team this year, too, but you can’t count this year in your 2-1 record (yet… actually, yeah, you probably can, so 3-1?)

Oh yeah my bad. 2021. 

[MontereyMX 820]

17 minutes ago, kilroydos said:

I will absolutely accept the correction, if only based on your name.

k

[BachelorTrek 2884]

2 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

There was that and it was also reported that he was a Drunk. Regardless, it's pretty exciting that we are harkening back to the Shnellenberger era at OU. Time is a flat meth lab.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1995/12/24/undercurrents-of-concern-led-to-ou-grid-coach-change/62369634007/

 

FIFY

[Tex48 829]

8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Yes. We would have been Big 12 champs. But Mack had a talent for losing the Big 12. He did it in just about every way conceivable. It takes a lot of shit to go wrong for somebody with his winning percentage only have two conference titles.

What do you think would have happened to him if he had won the B12 title? Do you think he calls it quits or does he stretch it out for a few more seasons? (Sorry to hijack the thread. I'm just curious what yall think the outcomes would have been. I started watching during the Strong years when I assumed I was going to UT)

Edited October 13, 2022 by Tex48

[Valmy77 12519]

Mackovic couldn't beat him though, which was kind of funny since say what you want about Mackovic but his teams got up for OU.

[Valmy77 12519]

2 minutes ago, Tex48 said:

What do you think would have happened to him if he had won the B12 title? Do you think he calls it quits or does he stretch it out for a few more seasons?

He probably stays. We all desperately wanted him fired after the 2012 Texas-OU game but we were so desperate to finally win the Big 12 we were prepared to accept more Mack if he would just win that game. Here we are 9 years later and still no Big 12 titles.

Mack was not going to call it quits, he practically had to be dragged out of the building after he lost the Alamo Bowl a month later.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Valmy77

[Eggo 3973]

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

He probably stays. We all desperately wanted him fired after the 2012 Texas-OU game but we were so desperate to finally win the Big 12 we were prepared to accept more Mack if he would just win that game. Here we are 9 years later and still no Big 12 titles.

Mack was not going to call it quits, he practically had to be dragged out of the building after he lost the Alamo Bowl a month later.

Ah yes, when Gerg held the future Heisman winner to a measly 23 point margin. 

[camel at sea 589]

OU scored 34 against a relatively good K-State defense a few weeks ago with a healthy Gabriel.  The offense should be competitive if Gabriel is healthy the rest of the way.  But OU doesn't have even the semblance of a backup QB.  That Beville kid could barely take snaps last Saturday and he was allegedly the best option on the roster.  Riley left that spot on the roster completely bare.  Jackson Arnold coming in for '23 (5 star, elite 11 MVP) probably goes a long way toward solidifying the room next year but that doesn't help them the rest of the way in '22.  The rest of the offense is in pretty good shape going forward.  There's a lot of talent on hand.  

OU's defense has been really bad for a really long time.  The last genuinely good defense at OU was 2009.  I think there was an assumption that b/c Riley's staff had recruited well on that side of the ball that a competent DC could get things turned around quickly with the talent on hand.  That's obviously not going to happen in year 1.  They're some combination of 1) BV not having the personnel to run what he wants to run, and 2) the guys he inherited not picking up the scheme.  The '23 recruiting class for OU - assuming those guys don't bail - will be the best one at OU in the recruiting services era.  They'll have to hang on to those commits and do a good job in the portal.  

[WBT 20132]

I heard a good stat on Max Olson's podcast.  For the year OU's D is giving up 240 yards/game...on 1st downs.

To be fair, they do have to defend a shit ton of 1st down plays.

[TxTower 648]

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[utexas8 1433]

I honestly don’t see how they make a bowl game.

[SamMan 1327]

7 hours ago, camel at sea said:

OU scored 34 against a relatively good K-State defense a few weeks ago with a healthy Gabriel.  The offense should be competitive if Gabriel is healthy the rest of the way.  But OU doesn't have even the semblance of a backup QB.  That Beville kid could barely take snaps last Saturday and he was allegedly the best option on the roster.  Riley left that spot on the roster completely bare.  Jackson Arnold coming in for '23 (5 star, elite 11 MVP) probably goes a long way toward solidifying the room next year but that doesn't help them the rest of the way in '22.  The rest of the offense is in pretty good shape going forward.  There's a lot of talent on hand.  

OU's defense has been really bad for a really long time.  The last genuinely good defense at OU was 2009.  I think there was an assumption that b/c Riley's staff had recruited well on that side of the ball that a competent DC could get things turned around quickly with the talent on hand.  That's obviously not going to happen in year 1.  They're some combination of 1) BV not having the personnel to run what he wants to run, and 2) the guys he inherited not picking up the scheme.  The '23 recruiting class for OU - assuming those guys don't bail - will be the best one at OU in the recruiting services era.  They'll have to hang on to those commits and do a good job in the portal.  

First off, (I hope I’m correct in assuming you are a sooner, otherwise what the fuck are you doing?) you guys have got to get off of this whole “Lincoln took all our good players” bullshit. OU fans act like they weren’t totally cool with it at the time (it’s fun to go to Twitter and type something like “Riley” “Venables” “upgrade” “soft” into the search bar and just read the results). Shit gets real and now the excuses come back in, but all we heard at the time was “we don’t need soft players, if you wanna follow your soft-ass, woke head coach, go right ahead.” Now coach “unbelievable buy-in” is actively campaigning to rid the program of more players on the roster. You cannot, in the portal era, make the argument that a coach doesn’t have his guys. You especially cannot make that argument and then advocate shipping more guys, who have ostensibly bought in, out of the program mid-season. If they didn’t fit, use the portal. It is in nobody’s interest to keep square pegs for round holes after spring ball. They are your players at that point. Doing it now makes leadership look ill-prepared and totally reactionary. Have you considered the fact that Venables came into that building with a turnaround specialist mindset when the team he took over had been incredibly successful and rather consistent? Rattler was gone regardless. The rest of those dudes didn’t leave immediately. Maybe they were already gone in their minds, but it’s not like OU didn’t have an opportunity to pitch them on staying.

Second, I’m dumbfounded by sooner fans’ ability to literally call all of their defensive players stupid while bemoaning the fact that players didn’t want to stick around (considering they booed one of the guys they are wishing they still had off the fucking field). Brent had nine months to either recognize and adapt to his allegedly moronic defensive players, or do what he has been harping on since he took the fucking job—“develop those young men.” He apparently did neither. Imagine coming into one of the most stable and consistently productive organizations in the country and doing your damnedest to convince its people, who have been pretty damn successful under the prior regime, that everything is broken and a complete 180 is the only way to fix it. Especially when you and your staff (offensively at least) are fairly inexperienced and have fewer skins on the wall than the old guy. And, by the way, you also manage to find one of the most bizarre ways to run off the most seasoned element of offensive continuity on the team (who wasn’t a bad recruiter either) a month before the season. Venables and basically everyone cheerleading on the sidelines made a strategic blunder thinking you were going to convince a team that went 11-2 last year that they were “soft” and their culture was a disaster while selling themselves as upgrades to the old regime (let’s not even discuss all the petty bullshit that went on, and continues to happen, with regards to Riley. You dumb fucks put up a fucking highway sign (or petitioned to) for God’s sake..to commemorate a guy shining a giant fucking spotlight on why the state is so incredibly unappealing to live and thrive in, but whatever). You can certainly take that approach, but I wouldn’t expect much sympathy from those players when shit goes south.

Third, yes, OU put up 34 on KSU, but they have not led a game at any point since Nebraska. What was the score of the TCU game when Gabriel went out? I think it was already a boat race at that point. The Arnold kid may be great. He certainly sounds good (I actually heard Hoover or Drumm say that OU may have won last Saturday if Arnold had somehow classed up and played, which was amusing. Also love how those dopes thought 1) they fooled Texas by having Gabriel warm up then running the wildcat when that is exactly what sark did weeks earlier 2) that it was a clever question to ask a real football coach whether he believed in the “concept of gamers”..what the fuck did you think the answer would be to that? “Yes, I think guys who don’t practice well or at all deserve to play in front of those who do”? I digress). However, I would caution you that Guyer has produced a lot of highly ranked high school qbs and their production in college leaves a lot to be desired. Charlie Strong himself was in a similar position to Venables with a Guyer qb who looked like a difference maker (granted it was a totally different skill set) that would boost an anemic offense. In terms of the recruiting class, I’d note that Tom Herman signed the #3 class in the nation during his first full cycle as head coach. Having hope is a good thing, but anticipating a quick turnaround, when you are allegedly beating the dog shit out of the current team during the season in an apparent attempt to break them, is a fool’s errand in my opinion.

In closing, I would just like to remind you that this is a Texas message board. When you wax philosophical about all the minor inconveniences of a new coach in year one—how the pieces don’t fit, but the new guy is gonna get it turned around despite the ghastly results (outside of #9 they fucking quit, on the field and in the coaches box, I’ve never seen anything like it), how the staff needs time to gel, etc. remember that your audience has made those exact same statements in the recent past and learned that no matter how self-soothing they are at the time, they only make you look worse when none of it is even close to reality. Believe us, you may think you have an idea of how this shit is supposed to go down because you’ve observed it from afar, but trust me when I say you have no idea what is likely coming. We’ve lived in the motherfucker for a goddamn decade. Case in point, I see a lot of OU fans are eating up the comments made by Venables (“I’ll help you leave”) and the players recently (“get off the bus”). Might I suggest you type “Texas Football Let’s Ride” into your search engine? It’s a facsimile of everything your coaches and players have said over the past few weeks, except you can actually analyze what those words actually materialized into. Anyway, while it is a source of tremendous entertainment for most people on this board, you might want to practice the power of positive thinking in silence, or elsewhere, if self-respect is something you value. Otherwise, please continue to talk to us about the vicissitudes of having a new coach trying to get the right players and change the culture of the program..we haven’t a clue what that would be like, and would love to hear you explain…

Btw, I really don’t mean to be too much of an asshole. Personally, I am as shocked as most OU fans that their fate has turned so quickly, but I can’t say it hasn’t been welcomed with open arms. I’ve been awaiting their Icarus moment for quite some time, and I’m getting big Charlie Strong vibes..one can only hope.

tl;dr

[Queen Bitch 1692]

Ain't nobody readin that

[crony 351]

Good read SamMan. Hook 'Em

[Longboard Horn 39798]

Hiding their face in shame 

[camel at sea 589]

13 hours ago, SamMan said:

First off, (I hope I’m correct in assuming you are a sooner, otherwise what the fuck are you doing?) you guys have got to get off of this whole “Lincoln took all our good players” bullshit. OU fans act like they weren’t totally cool with it at the time (it’s fun to go to Twitter and type something like “Riley” “Venables” “upgrade” “soft” into the search bar and just read the results). Shit gets real and now the excuses come back in, but all we heard at the time was “we don’t need soft players, if you wanna follow your soft-ass, woke head coach, go right ahead.” Now coach “unbelievable buy-in” is actively campaigning to rid the program of more players on the roster. You cannot, in the portal era, make the argument that a coach doesn’t have his guys. You especially cannot make that argument and then advocate shipping more guys, who have ostensibly bought in, out of the program mid-season. If they didn’t fit, use the portal. It is in nobody’s interest to keep square pegs for round holes after spring ball. They are your players at that point. Doing it now makes leadership look ill-prepared and totally reactionary. Have you considered the fact that Venables came into that building with a turnaround specialist mindset when the team he took over had been incredibly successful and rather consistent? Rattler was gone regardless. The rest of those dudes didn’t leave immediately. Maybe they were already gone in their minds, but it’s not like OU didn’t have an opportunity to pitch them on staying.

Second, I’m dumbfounded by sooner fans’ ability to literally call all of their defensive players stupid while bemoaning the fact that players didn’t want to stick around (considering they booed one of the guys they are wishing they still had off the fucking field). Brent had nine months to either recognize and adapt to his allegedly moronic defensive players, or do what he has been harping on since he took the fucking job—“develop those young men.” He apparently did neither. Imagine coming into one of the most stable and consistently productive organizations in the country and doing your damnedest to convince its people, who have been pretty damn successful under the prior regime, that everything is broken and a complete 180 is the only way to fix it. Especially when you and your staff (offensively at least) are fairly inexperienced and have fewer skins on the wall than the old guy. And, by the way, you also manage to find one of the most bizarre ways to run off the most seasoned element of offensive continuity on the team (who wasn’t a bad recruiter either) a month before the season. Venables and basically everyone cheerleading on the sidelines made a strategic blunder thinking you were going to convince a team that went 11-2 last year that they were “soft” and their culture was a disaster while selling themselves as upgrades to the old regime (let’s not even discuss all the petty bullshit that went on, and continues to happen, with regards to Riley. You dumb fucks put up a fucking highway sign (or petitioned to) for God’s sake..to commemorate a guy shining a giant fucking spotlight on why the state is so incredibly unappealing to live and thrive in, but whatever). You can certainly take that approach, but I wouldn’t expect much sympathy from those players when shit goes south.

Third, yes, OU put up 34 on KSU, but they have not led a game at any point since Nebraska. What was the score of the TCU game when Gabriel went out? I think it was already a boat race at that point. The Arnold kid may be great. He certainly sounds good (I actually heard Hoover or Drumm say that OU may have won last Saturday if Arnold had somehow classed up and played, which was amusing. Also love how those dopes thought 1) they fooled Texas by having Gabriel warm up then running the wildcat when that is exactly what sark did weeks earlier 2) that it was a clever question to ask a real football coach whether he believed in the “concept of gamers”..what the fuck did you think the answer would be to that? “Yes, I think guys who don’t practice well or at all deserve to play in front of those who do”? I digress). However, I would caution you that Guyer has produced a lot of highly ranked high school qbs and their production in college leaves a lot to be desired. Charlie Strong himself was in a similar position to Venables with a Guyer qb who looked like a difference maker (granted it was a totally different skill set) that would boost an anemic offense. In terms of the recruiting class, I’d note that Tom Herman signed the #3 class in the nation during his first full cycle as head coach. Having hope is a good thing, but anticipating a quick turnaround, when you are allegedly beating the dog shit out of the current team during the season in an apparent attempt to break them, is a fool’s errand in my opinion.

In closing, I would just like to remind you that this is a Texas message board. When you wax philosophical about all the minor inconveniences of a new coach in year one—how the pieces don’t fit, but the new guy is gonna get it turned around despite the ghastly results (outside of #9 they fucking quit, on the field and in the coaches box, I’ve never seen anything like it), how the staff needs time to gel, etc. remember that your audience has made those exact same statements in the recent past and learned that no matter how self-soothing they are at the time, they only make you look worse when none of it is even close to reality. Believe us, you may think you have an idea of how this shit is supposed to go down because you’ve observed it from afar, but trust me when I say you have no idea what is likely coming. We’ve lived in the motherfucker for a goddamn decade. Case in point, I see a lot of OU fans are eating up the comments made by Venables (“I’ll help you leave”) and the players recently (“get off the bus”). Might I suggest you type “Texas Football Let’s Ride” into your search engine? It’s a facsimile of everything your coaches and players have said over the past few weeks, except you can actually analyze what those words actually materialized into. Anyway, while it is a source of tremendous entertainment for most people on this board, you might want to practice the power of positive thinking in silence, or elsewhere, if self-respect is something you value. Otherwise, please continue to talk to us about the vicissitudes of having a new coach trying to get the right players and change the culture of the program..we haven’t a clue what that would be like, and would love to hear you explain…

Btw, I really don’t mean to be too much of an asshole. Personally, I am as shocked as most OU fans that their fate has turned so quickly, but I can’t say it hasn’t been welcomed with open arms. I’ve been awaiting their Icarus moment for quite some time, and I’m getting big Charlie Strong vibes..one can only hope.

tl;dr

Why would you assume correctly that I'm an OU fan and then make me read this much?  This took hours.  What are you trying to do to me?

A lot of this is in response to the OU fanbase and not my post, but I agree with a lot of it.  Riley didn't really take a lot of OU talent with him.  He took the most important player on the roster (Caleb Williams) and a couple of guys who may or may not end up as good players.  It's just reality though that between Rattler leaving and Caleb Williams leaving (and Mordecai/Morris leaving the year prior) that there were zero QBs left in the room when Lebby arrived.  I don't care how good a coach you are, you can't fix that in one off-season.  Gabriel is more than serviceable but there's nothing behind him and it showed Saturday.  You can't play offense without a quarterback, regardless of what other talent you have on the field.  The one cautious note pretty much all OU fans / pundits were saying in the offseason is that they absolutely couldn't get by without Gabriel under center and we sure as heck saw that.  OU put up 34 points against a pretty stout K-State defense when it had a healthy Gabriel.  If you're trying to draw big picture, longer term conclusions, OU's offense is probably going to end up being pretty good under Lebby once the QB situation gets solved.  

OU's roster has a ton of talent on it - even on defense.  Recruiting rankings aren't a perfect indicator of anything, but OU has a Top 10 roster according to 247.  Culture change goes smoothly sometimes and sometimes it goes off the rails.  Everyone said things that made OU's fanbase happy in the offseason ("complete buy in" etc.), but this looks like an off the rails situation.  The old guys (talented or not) aren't picking up the scheme.  The busts, poor run fits, bad angles, etc., are atrocious.  It's probably an open question as to whether Venables can get the defense back on the rails with another offseason roster overhaul.  I look at what Sark has done between last year and this one and I see some potential similarities.  But Venables' squad will have to flash some positives early next year like Sark's team did in  year 2.  At this point at least, Venables' track record is good and his staff is recruiting well.  But the on-field performance is awful... just like it was awful for a decade before he arrived.    

[TexasMan 10640]

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20300]

 

[Js1 82369]

On 10/13/2022 at 8:03 PM, utexas8 said:

I honestly don’t see how they make a bowl game.

Pre-KU, yeah.  Now?

4-3 with ISU (they suck), Baylor (they suck), WV (they suck), OK State and Tech.

They could finish 6-6 or 7-5 with that remaining schedule now that Gabriel is back. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22002]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Pre-KU, yeah.  Now?

4-3 with ISU (they suck), Baylor (they suck), WV (they suck), OK State and Tech.

They could finish 6-6 or 7-5 with that remaining schedule now that Gabriel is back. 

ISU, WV, and Tech are all on the road.

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Pre-KU, yeah.  Now?

4-3 with ISU (they suck), Baylor (they suck), WV (they suck), OK State and Tech.

They could finish 6-6 or 7-5 with that remaining schedule now that Gabriel is back. 

Ou might have a defense that the isu offense can handle.  And a defense that might contain the ou offense even with Gabriel. 
 

wvu has beaten Baylor, so you never know. 
 

tech…has been pretty competitive in conference?

Edited October 18, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[Js1 82369]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

wvu has beaten Baylor, so you never know. 

They're both so terrible

[Davis Lane 5500]

[ousux 5566]

They're too damn close to Texas (DFW in particular) for recruiting to completely tank, on the other hand, one of the largest countries in the world speaks mostly Portuguese so they will never rise to that level.

I think Vegetables rights the ship eventually (fire Lebby and coordinate D himself?) but I can't see them ever reaching dick eater or belly tat's level of CFB relevance any time soon.

Oh, and what time is it? Yeah, that's for eternity.

[Valmy77 12519]

What the KU game told me is that OU is going to wreck the rest of the Big 12 with their offense. They will be fine, unfortunately.

Anybody hoping they were going to walk in the desert is going to be disappointed.

Sure hope I am wrong.

[ousux 5566]

What the KU game told me is that OU is going to wreck the rest of the Big 12 with their offense. They will be fine, unfortunately.
Anybody hoping they were going to walk in the desert is going to be disappointed.
Sure hope I am wrong.

KU doesnt have the depth for something like Lebby's snap 2 seconds after the ref places ball offense. Gabriel makes a diff for sure, but he's no Quinn by God Ewers.

[n64ra 1072]

Sad that Gabriel was back against KU. Really wanted an KU win there.

[Js1 82369]

19 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

What the KU game told me is that OU is going to wreck the rest of the Big 12 with their offense. They will be fine, unfortunately.

Anybody hoping they were going to walk in the desert is going to be disappointed.

Sure hope I am wrong.

Yep. hence why I think they make a bowl. Baylor, WV, ISU don’t have the offensive horses to keep up. As shown that even against our defense, 2 of them only hit 20 and 21 points.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1254]

20 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

What the KU game told me is that OU is going to wreck the rest of the Big 12 with their offense. They will be fine, unfortunately.

Anybody hoping they were going to walk in the desert is going to be disappointed.

Sure hope I am wrong.

They lost at home to K-State when they had nobody hurt. K-State is good, probably a top 3 team in the conference, but their offense has not been good against anyone but OU. ISU is a bad matchup for them if ISU can figure out how to close out a game. I also think Tech probably gives them trouble. They have OSU at home and it is Bedlam so I think they probably win that one.

[Skipper 5952]

31 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

They lost at home to K-State when they had nobody hurt. K-State is good, probably a top 3 team in the conference, but their offense has not been good against anyone but OU. ISU is a bad matchup for them if ISU can figure out how to close out a game. I also think Tech probably gives them trouble. They have OSU at home and it is Bedlam so I think they probably win that one.

Their defense flat out sucks so they will need to win shootouts.  Against KSU Gabriel played like shit constantly missing open WR's.  Dude has been really inconsistent.  When he is on and they can run tempo that offense looks pretty good.  When he's off they struggle.  I'm guessing they win most games that DG plays well and lose if he doesn't (and they will absolutely lose if he gets hurt again).

[LTtxfan 48688]

11am on FS1...  I like it  😋

 

[gmr548 16254]

I honestly don’t see how they make a bowl game.

They’ve already played three of the four best teams in conference. They only need to beat two of ISU, Baylor, WVU, OSU, and Tech. The only team that has looked decisively better than them out of that group, assuming they’ve got the QB, is OSU. I wouldn’t be totally shocked either way, but it’s not “I don’t see how they make a bowl” level.

Now, I do think they’re going to lose in Ames with both teams coming off a bye. ISU’s offense will do just enough against their shitty defense, and OU will have trouble with ISU’s D. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them beat Baylor and/or WVU. Losing Bedlam is Gundy’s speciality and it’ll be OU’s home finale. If they don’t get to 6 by Lubbock I could see them not being up for that environment. Either that’ll be Tech‘s bowl game or they’ll be feeling confident about putting an exclamation point on a nice first year for McGuire.

[quigley 1144]

When OU can run the ball, Gabriel has huge windows to find receivers, and the offense is fluid. When the Sooners can't run the ball, Gabriel's inaccuracy shows, and the offense stalls.

Despite the disastrous offensive performance vs UT, OU's OL may have had it's best run blocking game to date. The OL improved upon that vs a weak Kansas DL. Further growth in the OL will be key to OU's offense. Iowa St, Baylor, and Ok St have average to better DL that'll test OU's OL.

The OU defense has been a tire fire, especially vs the run. The Kansas run game is good, and OU perform okay vs the Jayhawks (with backup QB) rushing attack. That's the only positive. OU's defense just has to try to improve through the rest of the season, again.

I think every game is a toss up for the Sooners with OU holding somewhere between a 40 - 60% pre-game win expectancy. This is very different for OU fans. Just last year, prior to the beginning of the year, OU had a > 70% win expectancy in 9 or 10 games and had a > 50% in all.

Edited October 22, 2022 by quigley

[thunderlounge 7582]

OU is so down, they give out free blowjobs during the off-season just to get something warm in their bellies. 

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