To all you morons that wanted the playoff to include…

[F250 28379]

6 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

And Texas hung 45 on them. Your point?

My point, Texas would have won the 2008 mnc which would have had a butterfly effect and Colt would never have been injured in the 2009 mnc game. The Alabama dynasty would have been killed in it's infancy as Texas reigned supreme throughout the teens.

 

[Gatorubet 29391]

12 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

And Texas hung 45 on them. Your point?

Both of us beat the Sooners by 10 points that season. 

Some people value a strong defensive performance, while others are more impressed with a high scoring offense. Both are legitimate takes, and other than our respective homer interests, there was no clear better team.

Which was my not -so-clear point.  I blame my THC vaping….and Obama. 

[tbone_ 13968]

Florida held Oklahoma to 14 points. 
I guess I agree to disagree.  

Florida didn’t do shit that year that Texas didn’t do. They both won all but one game and beat the common opponent by 10 on a neutral field.

Only difference was Texas lost to a top 10 team on the road and your team lost to an unranked team at home, and made a fucking speech.

Straight up figure skating judging.

[David Dennison 17659]

8 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Florida didn’t do shit that year that Texas didn’t do. They both won all but one game and beat the common opponent by 10 on a neutral field.

Only difference was Texas lost to a top 10 team on the road and your team lost to an unranked team at home, and made a fucking speech.

Straight up figure skating judging.

Florida won their conference.

[hpslugga 3984]

4 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

8 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Fuck the NFL.  NFL fans would be just as happy if there weren't a game, and they just got to sit in the stands, drink beer, and fight each other.

NFL does it right. They have the best product hands down from start to finish. Their playoffs blow any other sport out the water, especially college football.

I mean the NFL, when being tossed into these CFP discussions, isn't any more relevant than the UIL, the NCAA, or any other football league (or team sports league in general) that uses a postseason tournament to determine its champion. There's nothing particularly unique about the NFL, but it makes for a great red herring, in the tiny minds of whiny bitches who whine and bitch about the playoffs, because they think that this kind of pseudo-elitism and snobbery passes as a valid argument. What I actually hear/read from people who throw in the "evil NFL!" schmatte is no more enlightening than the guy who said "he was on the internet and I'm in college." 

 

That having been said, if one claims to be a football fan and says they didn't enjoy the fuck out of the NFL playoffs last year in particular, then one is a lying asshole.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

3 hours ago, redswingline said:

That's right. Fuck those morons that run the most successful sports league in the world. They don't know shit.

The NFL needs to take take a flyer on how shit is done in college.

Ditch that whole division-champ conference-champ playoff horseshit and just invite their 2 favorites to the superbowl each year

The NFL is popular in America, the home of Walmart, school shootings, and 74 million people that voted for a certain person.  

[Longboard Horn 39798]

[PilotsError 2234]

If you want a good playoffs, two thirds of the teams in division one have to go. As long as we have ninety teams, the playoffs will have an element of beauty pageant. 

[HtownHorn 14285]

Moving forward, I couldn't care less of ever playing in Atlanta the 1st weekend of December. I would rather have a home playoff game. If 10-2 ensures that home playoff game, sign me up. 

[El Hornarino 367]

The answer is obvious, and should emulate the most successful world football tournament.

The new format should only play every four years, and be hosted in the state that pays the NCAA officials the biggest bribe while making the most outlandish promises regarding new facilities and tourist attractions.

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

8 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Florida won their conference.

And why did Texas, supposedly, not, other than straight up figure skating judging?

[JBJ 3591]

9 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

And why did Texas, supposedly, not, other than Art Briles?

Fify

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by JBJ

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

1 minute ago, JBJ said:

Fify

 

Same thing. Corrupt-ass people making choices based on desired outcomes rather than performances. 

[David Dennison 17659]

22 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

And why did Texas, supposedly, not, other than straight up figure skating judging?

We also lost in Lubbock.

[hpslugga 3984]

10 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Same thing. Corrupt-ass people making choices based on desired outcomes rather than performances. 

Let's not forget there was also the incompetent Big 12. The SEC and ACC had a built-in red herring rule, which meant that if such a 3-way tie for a division crown were to occur, the lowest ranked team would be removed from the equation and then it'd be decided by who won the head-to-head between the two highest ranked teams. In the SEC and ACC, Texas advances because Tech's existence in the whole thing would have been discarded. 

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

Just now, David Dennison said:

We also lost in Lubbock.

And OU lost in Dallas. 

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

1 minute ago, hpslugga said:

Let's not forget there was also the incompetent Big 12. The SEC and ACC had a built-in red herring rule, which meant that if such a 3-way tie for a division crown were to occur, the lowest ranked team would be removed from the equation and then it'd be decided by who won the head-to-head between the two highest ranked teams. In the SEC and ACC, Texas advances because Tech's existence in the whole thing would have been discarded. 

Exactly.

And even without that, you have the losses that were:

Tech: Road game blowout

Texas: Road game last second loss

OU: Neutral site double-digit loss. 

[TreatyOak 16055]

[tbone_ 13968]

Florida won their conference.

Purely arbitrary.

I’m talking about on field accomplishments.

[David Dennison 17659]

Purely arbitrary.

I’m talking about on field accomplishments.

They beat the number one team in the country to win their conference championship.

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

 

They beat the number one team in the country to win their conference championship.

 

Which only moves the goalposts. Whichever team won the game had the conference championship. That doesn’t change how Texas got fucked in 2008. 

[formermav43 4599]

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

 

They beat the number one team in the country to win their conference championship.

 

Texas also beat the #1 team in the country.

[redswingline 1057]

17 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Just give every conference winner a shot. Big or small. Reserve 6 at large seats. Anyone left out has zero to complain about and everyone is represented. 
 

The main problem with your idea is that it is logical.

[Steel Shank 9325]

14 hours ago, Kennythetiger said:

How about the non-playoff teams?  

Oddly enough, same thing. But different. But still the same.

[utee94 15671]

41 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Let's not forget there was also the incompetent Big 12. The SEC and ACC had a built-in red herring rule, which meant that if such a 3-way tie for a division crown were to occur, the lowest ranked team would be removed from the equation and then it'd be decided by who won the head-to-head between the two highest ranked teams. In the SEC and ACC, Texas advances because Tech's existence in the whole thing would have been discarded. 

And the next year, the B12 changed its rules and adopted the SEC/ACC tie-breaker.

[hpslugga 3984]

15 minutes ago, utee94 said:

And the next year, the B12 changed its rules and adopted the SEC/ACC tie-breaker.

Yes, the ultimate "we're sorry""

 

[Zeus 5862]

19 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

16 teams seeded 1-16. 10 conference winners, 6 at large.

So we should join the sun belt and get an autobid to the playoff every year?

lulz this is dumb

you can't pretend like the winners of the shittiest conferences can compete with the bluebloods brah

UTSA (bless their hearts)

Toledo

Troy

Fresno State

None of these belong in a CFB playoff

[David Dennison 17659]

Texas also beat the #1 team in the country.

Yep.

[formermav43 4599]

3 minutes ago, Zeus said:

So we should join the sun belt and get an autobid to the playoff every year?

lulz this is dumb

you can't pretend like the winners of the shittiest conferences can compete with the bluebloods brah

UTSA (bless their hearts)

Toledo

Troy

Fresno State

None of these belong in a CFB playoff

"Belong" is an interesting way to phrase it. If the 12 team format were in place this year, for instance, you'd have teams like Kansas State and Utah in. Do you think they belong on the field with Georgia or Michigan? 

[Zeus 5862]

1 minute ago, formermav43 said:

"Belong" is an interesting way to phrase it. If the 12 team format were in place this year, for instance, you'd have teams like Kansas State and Utah in. Do you think they belong on the field with Georgia or Michigan? 

yeah

[formermav43 4599]

4 minutes ago, Zeus said:

yeah

Fair enough. I don't.

[redswingline 1057]

9 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

The NFL is popular in America, the home of Walmart, school shootings, and 74 million people that voted for a certain person.  

While we are stereotyping, only vegan queers dislike the NFL

 

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by redswingline

[hpslugga 3984]

12 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

"Belong" is an interesting emotional way to phrase it. If the 12 team format were in place this year, for instance, you'd have teams like Kansas State and Utah in. Do you think they belong on the field with Georgia or Michigan? 

FIFY

And this does bear examination because it's triggered a really stupid idea from dishonest morons who even today drag their feet at the idea of a playoff/expanded playoff. It reads like "well we should see what everyone's records are at the end of the year and that would dictate how many playoff teams there should be."

"Should be" "belong" "should not be," etc. This all purely moralistic rhetoric. They want to base the structure of the postseason entirely around their own personal feelings. And they know full well that will never work because 1) it's never that simple and 2) it has nothing to do with the real world. In the real world, those playoff games are part of a contract that's in effect well in advance of any given season. Those contracts stipulate where the games are to take place, when they are to take place, how many tickets Team A and Team B are allotted, where they're supposed to be lodged, where they're supposed to be dined, where they're supposed to make public appearances, etc. Imagine going up to a stakeholder of one of those contracts and saying "sorry but we can't fulfill the contract because some random douchebags on the internet have...

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by hpslugga

[hobbes2702 12481]

19 minutes ago, Zeus said:

So we should join the sun belt and get an autobid to the playoff every year?

lulz this is dumb

you can't pretend like the winners of the shittiest conferences can compete with the bluebloods brah

UTSA (bless their hearts)

Toledo

Troy

Fresno State

None of these belong in a CFB playoff

No one is pretending they can compete. It doesn’t mean they should just be left out as though they don’t exist. Boise State and Utah seemed to do ok. UTSA held their own against us. If they should be the 16 seed then do that and let them get beat by the 1. Seems to work ok in basketball

If we think we can achieve our goals by going to the sunbelt then sure. I doubt it since there are limitations in those conferences. 
 

If none of those teams belong then why even have conferences? Let’s just make everyone independent and pick the teams we think are the best

[hook me 2032]

15 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

18 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Fuck the NFL.  NFL fans would be just as happy if there weren't a game, and they just got to sit in the stands, drink beer, and fight each other.

NFL does it right. They have the best product hands down from start to finish. Their playoffs blow any other sport out the water, especially college football.

A (currently) 5-6 TB hosting a playoff game against a (currently) 9-3 Cowboys is far from "right". It's certainly better than what the CFP currently has though.

[redswingline 1057]

3 minutes ago, hook me said:

A (currently) 5-6 TB hosting a playoff game against a (currently) 9-3 Cowboys is far from "right".

I haven't had my coffee today. With that said, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[Michael Knight 12663]

who cares, there aren't ever more than 2 great teams a year in college football anyways

Edited December 5, 2022 by Michael Knight

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

A modest proposal:

Big 10 Conference and Southeastern Conference 

Four eight-team divisions in each. Maybe call them, North, South, East, and West.

Play a round-robin in each division. Fill in the rest of the schedule with rivals not in the same division, or whatever, to get to your target number of regular season games  

Each division winner — based on division, rather than overall, record — advances to the playoffs  

In each conference, the two non-division winners — call them, I don’t know, wildcards or something — with the best overall records also advance.

The two division winners with the best record get a bye week. The other two host wildcard teams.

The division winners play the first round winners. 

Winners play for conference title. 

The two conference champions play for the national title. 

While the playoffs are going on, play some other bowl games: maybe take the last place team in each division and match them with a team that wants to join the Big 10 or SEC. If the Big 10 or SEC team loses their bowl, relegate them to a minor conference and replace them with the team that beat them. 

[Guest]

21 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

…. Only conference champions, this is who would

have been in this years playoff:

 

1) Georgia

2) Michigan

3) Clemson

4) KSU or Utah

 

 

gtfo with that shit once and for all. So pathetic to see people whining the you should have to win your conference to get into the playoff. Its never been that way and never should be that way. Some conferences are better than others on certain years, dumbfucks

Agreed with you. But the bolded language is exactly how I feel every time I read one of your posts.  Ballgame, Florence!

[Brothahorn 10079]

…. Only conference champions, this is who would
have been in this years playoff:
 
1) Georgia
2) Michigan
3) Clemson
4) KSU or Utah
 
 
gtfo with that shit once and for all. So pathetic to see people whining the you should have to win your conference to get into the playoff. Its never been that way and never should be that way. Some conferences are better than others on certain years, dumbfucks

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

1 hour ago, redswingline said:

While we are stereotyping, only vegan queers dislike the NFL

 

 

Well, I do have a son who is, as you so eloquently put it, a "queer."  I also have a daughter that you would probably also refer to as a "retard", but calling any of us vegans suggests I should challenge you to a dual with AR-15s at 15 paces.

[WhatTheBuck 28574]

20 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Just give every conference winner a shot. Big or small. Reserve 6 at large seats. Anyone left out has zero to complain about and everyone is represented. 

So, if 4-loss Purdue had pulled off the upset against Michigan on Saturday, you think it would make sense for them to be in the playoff? Screw their entire body of work, just let it come down to one game? Screw the non-conference schedule, that doesn’t count?

I think having a Big 12 CCG when all the teams already play each other during the regular season is a bad idea. TCU went undefeated beating every conference foe and, but for the CCG, would’ve been crowned the undisputed conference champ. Do you really think it would make sense to put 3-loss KSU in the playoff over them just because they won the rematch in a close game, in OT, because the TCU coach made some historically bad decisions on 3rd- and 4th-and-goal inside the 1? (It was still a shitty spot.) I don’t think that respects the integrity of the sport.

Sometimes the better team loses. And yet losses matter. You have to consider the entire body of work. It’s a balancing act between who are the best teams and which have the best records. There are too many teams and too few games for it not to always come down to a subjective judgment. But just saying, ‘Duh, just have all the conference champions get in’ is about as careless and ham-fisted a means of seeding a playoff as there can be. It’s an overly simple solution to a complex problem made by people with no good ideas and it will wind up making things worse. It will result in worse games, not better games, and more deserving teams will get left out due to the arbitrary selection of teams who won their conference regardless of their body of work.

The stupidity of it is self-evident. 

[hobbes2702 12481]

18 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

So, if 4-loss Purdue had pulled off the upset against Michigan on Saturday, you think it would make sense for them to be in the playoff? Screw their entire body of work, just let it come down to one game? Screw the non-conference schedule, that doesn’t count?

I think having a Big 12 CCG when all the teams already play each other during the regular season is a bad idea. TCU went undefeated beating every conference foe and, but for the CCG, would’ve been crowned the undisputed conference champ. Do you really think it would make sense to put 3-loss KSU in the playoff over them just because they won the rematch in a close game, in OT, because the TCU coach made some historically bad decisions on 3rd- and 4th-and-goal inside the 1? (It was still a shitty spot.) I don’t think that respects the integrity of the sport.

Sometimes the better team loses. And yet losses matter. You have to consider the entire body of work. It’s a balancing act between who are the best teams and which have the best records. There are too many teams and too few games for it not to always come down to a subjective judgment. But just saying, ‘Duh, just have all the conference champions get in’ is about as careless and ham-fisted a means of seeding a playoff as there can be. It’s an overly simple solution to a complex problem made by people with no good ideas and it will wind up making things worse. It will result in worse games, not better games, and more deserving teams will get left out due to the arbitrary selection of teams who won their conference regardless of their body of work.

The stupidity of it is self-evident. 
 

I’m not sure what you don’t understand. With what I said both TCU and Michigan would still make the playoff. 
Who cares if a team with 4 losses make it? It’s like you said, sometimes the better teams lose. This allows it all to be settled on the field.

The Ncaa basketball tournament, baseball tournament, volleyball tournament, etc all seem to make this type of system work just fine.

It’s a simple solution to a simple problem. It allows full representation of all conferences and teams, big or small, and still preserves the opportunity for the TCUs or Alabamas of the world.

Edited December 5, 2022 by hobbes2702

[Eskimohorn 5544]

I’m not sure what you don’t understand. With what I said both TCU and Michigan would still make the playoff. 
Who cares if a team with 4 losses make it? It’s like you said, sometimes the better teams lose. This allows it all to be settled on the field.
The Ncaa basketball tournament, baseball tournament, volleyball tournament, etc all seem to make this type of system work just fine.
It’s a simple solution to a simple problem. It allows full representation of all conferences and teams, big or small, and still preserves the opportunity for the TCUs or Alabamas of the world.

If you joined a 130-team fantasy football league and the original owners of the league got to vote on who makes the playoffs, you would pass.

The system has been stupid and was designed to placate bowl organizers and keep incumbent business interests flush with cash. All arguments pro were after the fact justifications

12-team playoff is much better than 4. But the core issues lie in a decentralized system of rules, compliance, and scheduling. Its like boxing

[JBJ 3591]

3 hours ago, utee94 said:

And the next year, the B12 changed its rules and adopted the SEC/ACC tie-breaker.

And the playoff committee was first proposed.

['stache 21489]

Looks fine to me. TCU and USC lost their first round game. Ohio State lost their de facto first round too. Point being conference championship games would be nice as first round playoff games. For synergy the PAC, XII, and ACC should reorganize amongst themselves into two conferences.

[Pam Cummings 9409]

21 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

If you joined a 130-team fantasy football league and the original owners of the league got to vote on who makes the playoffs, you would pass.

The system has been stupid and was designed to placate bowl organizers and keep incumbent business interests flush with cash. All arguments pro were after the fact justifications

12-team playoff is much better than 4. But the core issues lie in a decentralized system of rules, compliance, and scheduling. Its like boxing

This. The BCS system and CFP system make it to where only a handful of teams really have a chance at winning a championship. Therefore those teams suck up all the good recruits and leave everyone else battling for the scraps. Then the same teams always win and people say "see, thats why we shouldnt expand the playoffs, there's only 2 loaded teams that could win it!"

 

It really perpetuates itself. Let a real playoff system take place and over time you will see the talent become more spread out. All you have to do is provide the incentive.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Pam Cummings

[notre dame joe 170]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:05 AM, formermav43 said:

Texas also beat the #1 team in the country.

So they lost to a better team than you did.

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

This. The BCS system and CFP system make it to where only a handful of teams really have a chance at winning a championship. Therefore those teams suck up all the good recruits and leave everyone else battling for the scraps. Then the same teams always win and people say "see, thats why we shouldnt expand the playoffs, there's only 2 loaded teams that could win it!"

 

It really perpetuates itself. Let a real playoff system take place and over time you will see the talent become more spread out. All you have to do is provide the incentive.

They have done it twice already and the talent has not spread out at all.  Why would this be any different?  Did basketball move towards parity with their covid-like spread of the tournament?

[redswingline 1057]

6 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

They have done it twice already and the talent has not spread out at all.  Why would this be any different?  Did basketball move towards parity with their covid-like spread of the tournament?

Teams like Villanova and Virginia would have not been champions if a committee chose a handful of teams.
Every major sport in this country, except FBS football, has a legitimate playoff system in place.

[Pam Cummings 9409]

26 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

So they lost to a better team than you did.

They have done it twice already and the talent has not spread out at all.  Why would this be any different?  Did basketball move towards parity with their covid-like spread of the tournament?

They did a half-assed half measure that fixed nothing. The fact that a real playoff works in every other sport and at every other level of football shits all over your dumb arguments against playoff expansion. The total number of teams needs to be pared down, there needs to be relegation to get into/out of that top tier, and the number of playoff teams needs to be proportionate to the total number of teams.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Pam Cummings