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1 minute ago, WBT said:

Citing AI is the new citing wikipedia but about 10 times worse.  But you keep seeing it more and more.

Wikipedia actually got really good; better probably than the old Britannica used to be especially on non-niche and scientific topics. GenAI is truly trash. As shown above— it’s so bad its often not even wrong.

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Saw this in NYT today as far as the bubble conversation:

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Many economists credit A.I. spending with bolstering the overall economy. “In the first half of this year, A.I.-related capital expenditures contributed 1.1 percent to G.D.P. growth, outpacing the U.S. consumer as an engine of expansion,” Stephanie Aliaga, a strategist at J.P. Morgan Asset Management, wrote in an investor note last month.

The guys who hate stock buybacks will appreciate this:

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A.I. bulls see more room for growth. Goldman Sachs recently forecast that listed U.S. companies would spend less on share buybacks this year, potentially plowing the money instead into A.I.

 

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8 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

$5T

Nvidia’s market cap today

The crash will be spectacular. The question is how to price the put and for what time/month/year?

And how ballsy and exposed I have the stomach for.

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

The crash will be spectacular. The question is how to price the put and for what time/month/year?

And how ballsy and exposed I have the stomach for.

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13 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

$5T

Nvidia’s market cap today

Jesus, the echoes of the late 1920s are deafening.  Vibes bubbles writ large.  It's insane and unsustainable, and anyone who says so gets shouted down as a negative nancy, this rocketship only goes up, up, up!  Let's keep going till their market cap is eleventy trillion!  Let's give Elon a $ 1 trillion compensation package!  

Fucking hell, this bubble bursting is going to make 2008 look like child's play.

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20 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

$5T

Nvidia’s market cap today

 

12 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

The crash will be spectacular. The question is how to price the put and for what time/month/year?

And how ballsy and exposed I have the stomach for.

It's wild because the valuation based on future sales that are not guaranteed. They'll sell a boatload of chips if a BUNCH things break their way. But market exhuberance gonna exhuber

There's SO MUCH mark-to-market accounting going on here, so it's really more a question of if you think you can stay liquid longer than the market can remain irrational. Typically, that's a tough bet to time right

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https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-are-pushing-sanctioned-russian-propaganda/

OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Gemini, DeepSeek, and xAI’s Grok are pushing Russian state propaganda from sanctioned entities—including citations from Russian state media, sites tied to Russian intelligence or pro-Kremlin narratives—when asked about the war against Ukraine, according to a new report.

Researchers from the Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) claim that Russian propaganda has targeted and exploited data voids—where searches for real-time data provide few results from legitimate sources—to promote false and misleading information. Almost one-fifth of responses to questions about Russia’s war in Ukraine, across the four chatbots they tested, cited Russian state-attributed sources, the ISD research claims.

“It raises questions regarding how chatbots should deal when referencing these sources, considering many of them are sanctioned in the EU,” says Pablo Maristany de las Casas, an analyst at the ISD who led the research. The findings raise serious questions about the ability of large language models (LLMs) to restrict sanctioned media in the EU, which is a growing concern as more people use AI chatbots as an alternative to search engines to find information in real time, the ISD claims. For the six-month period ending September 30, 2025, ChatGPT search had approximately 120.4 million average monthly active recipients in the European Union, according to OpenAI data.

Free link: https://archive.is/jSh6X

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

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https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-are-pushing-sanctioned-russian-propaganda/

OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Gemini, DeepSeek, and xAI’s Grok are pushing Russian state propaganda from sanctioned entities—including citations from Russian state media, sites tied to Russian intelligence or pro-Kremlin narratives—when asked about the war against Ukraine, according to a new report.

Researchers from the Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) claim that Russian propaganda has targeted and exploited data voids—where searches for real-time data provide few results from legitimate sources—to promote false and misleading information. Almost one-fifth of responses to questions about Russia’s war in Ukraine, across the four chatbots they tested, cited Russian state-attributed sources, the ISD research claims.

“It raises questions regarding how chatbots should deal when referencing these sources, considering many of them are sanctioned in the EU,” says Pablo Maristany de las Casas, an analyst at the ISD who led the research. The findings raise serious questions about the ability of large language models (LLMs) to restrict sanctioned media in the EU, which is a growing concern as more people use AI chatbots as an alternative to search engines to find information in real time, the ISD claims. For the six-month period ending September 30, 2025, ChatGPT search had approximately 120.4 million average monthly active recipients in the European Union, according to OpenAI data.

Free link: https://archive.is/jSh6X

See: Anthropic's work on model poisoning.

https://www.anthropic.com/research/small-samples-poison

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13 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

GenAI is such dogshit and its incredible how much worse it makes everything its put into. Verifying ND’s playoff history and this this is the gobbledygook it spits out. Eat a dick, Google, for ruining yourself.

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So I was in a wedding Sat night and missed most of the game. I was frantically updating scores when possible and when we finally walked out with a win, I did a Google search to see the stats. Google AI pulled out of its monkey butt some straight gibberish. I can't recall all of it but it was stuff like Wisner had 58 carries for 222 yards. The Miss St QB had 9 TD passes and 5 ints. Complete nonsense. I would've had better results if I asked some homeless guy to drop acid and give me a recount of the game.

It is maddening to think what kind of misinformation that AI can push out without some fact checking parameters being implemented.

 

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Just now, dimyh said:

It is maddening to think what kind of misinformation that AI can push out without some fact checking parameters being implemented.

Why do you hate freedom and profits and move fast and break stuff and disruption, bro?

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28 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

It's wild because the valuation based on future sales that are not guaranteed. They'll sell a boatload of chips if a BUNCH things break their way. But market exhuberance gonna exhuber

There's SO MUCH mark-to-market accounting going on here, so it's really more a question of if you think you can stay liquid longer than the market can remain irrational. Typically, that's a tough bet to time right

How many of those chips get "sold" compared to "leased".  What do they do with the stockpile of obsolete leased chips when their service life is kaput in 3-5 years?

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19 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

How many of those chips get "sold" compared to "leased".  What do they do with the stockpile of obsolete leased chips when their service life is kaput in 3-5 years?

Sorry bro.  "3-5 years" is a timeframe that literally does not exist.  Only "this quarter" exists.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

How many of those chips get "sold" compared to "leased".  What do they do with the stockpile of obsolete leased chips when their service life is kaput in 3-5 years?

They get sold by Nvidia to "Briskettexan's pretty good AI Data Center and taqueria". Then Nvidia leases space in Brisket's DC and buys services equal to the amount Brisket paid for the GPUs. Then both of them claim the revenue and line goes up! 

 

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28 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

They get sold by Nvidia to "Briskettexan's pretty good AI Data Center and taqueria". Then Nvidia leases space in Brisket's DC and buys services equal to the amount Brisket paid for the GPUs. Then both of them claim the revenue and line goes up! 

Looks like some motherfucker forgot the NDA I had him sign.

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3 hours ago, dimyh said:

 

So I was in a wedding Sat night and missed most of the game. I was frantically updating scores when possible and when we finally walked out with a win, I did a Google search to see the stats. Google AI pulled out of its monkey butt some straight gibberish. I can't recall all of it but it was stuff like Wisner had 58 carries for 222 yards. The Miss St QB had 9 TD passes and 5 ints. Complete nonsense. I would've had better results if I asked some homeless guy to drop acid and give me a recount of the game.

It is maddening to think what kind of misinformation that AI can push out without some fact checking parameters being implemented.

 

I'm pretty sure I first saw it posted a couple of pages back in this thread but udm14.org has replaced standard google as my search engine.  It goes straight to the old school google web search results without the ai gibberish summary at the top.  Saves a little bit of time and 1.21 gigawatts whenever I need to search for something.

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4 hours ago, bolverk said:

image.thumb.png.f746d072906b8443e93757f206327fc3.png
https://www.wired.com/story/chatbots-are-pushing-sanctioned-russian-propaganda/

OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Gemini, DeepSeek, and xAI’s Grok are pushing Russian state propaganda from sanctioned entities—including citations from Russian state media, sites tied to Russian intelligence or pro-Kremlin narratives—when asked about the war against Ukraine, according to a new report.

Researchers from the Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) claim that Russian propaganda has targeted and exploited data voids—where searches for real-time data provide few results from legitimate sources—to promote false and misleading information. Almost one-fifth of responses to questions about Russia’s war in Ukraine, across the four chatbots they tested, cited Russian state-attributed sources, the ISD research claims.

“It raises questions regarding how chatbots should deal when referencing these sources, considering many of them are sanctioned in the EU,” says Pablo Maristany de las Casas, an analyst at the ISD who led the research. The findings raise serious questions about the ability of large language models (LLMs) to restrict sanctioned media in the EU, which is a growing concern as more people use AI chatbots as an alternative to search engines to find information in real time, the ISD claims. For the six-month period ending September 30, 2025, ChatGPT search had approximately 120.4 million average monthly active recipients in the European Union, according to OpenAI data.

Free link: https://archive.is/jSh6X

That is outrageous! AI should only push American propaganda!

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Many economists credit A.I. spending with bolstering the overall economy. “In the first half of this year, A.I.-related capital expenditures contributed 1.1 percent to G.D.P. growth, outpacing the U.S. consumer as an engine of expansion

Problem being is very few benefit from this AI spending fueled gdp. "Normal", healthy, gdp growth benefit a great number of Americans and helps to fuel future gdp growth. This bs benefits only a few and doesn't grow anything for the future. If anything, it only seems likely to increase the chances of a severe decrease in gdp.

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2 hours ago, pacman said:

Problem being is very few benefit from this AI spending fueled gdp. "Normal", healthy, gdp growth benefit a great number of Americans and helps to fuel future gdp growth. This bs benefits only a few and doesn't grow anything for the future. If anything, it only seems likely to increase the chances of a severe decrease in gdp.

The problem as far as I can see it is that somehow I'm not making multiple millions in the biggest bull run in a generation and maybe of our lifetime. ugh.

,,

but i will say this. I'm coming around to @Captainant and @Brisketexan way of thinking and am determined to put a very sizable bet on shorting the big high flyers of the past couple of years. Just need to figure out the profile, the timeframe, the big bet and how much of a coward I am or am not and what stomach I have to expose real money to a short play betting on a crash.

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14 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

The problem as far as I can see it is that somehow I'm not making multiple millions in the biggest bull run in a generation and maybe of our lifetime. ugh.

,,

but i will say this. I'm coming around to @Captainant and @Brisketexan way of thinking and am determined to put a very sizable bet on shorting the big high flyers of the past couple of years. Just need to figure out the profile, the timeframe, the big bet and how much of a coward I am or am not and what stomach I have to expose real money to a short play betting on a crash.

I don't know shit about fuck, but this rally is going to keep going until the ChatGPT / OpenAI IPO.  That will be the AOL / Time Warner corollary to the .com bust.

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On 10/29/2025 at 1:10 PM, Pescado_Rojo said:

They get sold by Nvidia to "Briskettexan's pretty good AI Data Center and taqueria". Then Nvidia leases space in Brisket's DC and buys services equal to the amount Brisket paid for the GPUs. Then both of them claim the revenue and line goes up! 

 

The ole double Dutch rudder. 

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lulz wtf is an AI Browser? Who the hell would use one of these??

Really good example of prompt injection vulnerabilities that you would be making yourself exposed to. But yeah the "AI browsers" are just SUPER userdata vacuums.

All hail surveilance capitalism

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Not sure where to put this.

https://prospect.org/2025/10/31/progressive-tech-group-asks-trump-to-block-ai-copyright-cases/

The Chamber of Progress, a self-styled “progressive” industry trade group supported by most of the biggest tech platforms, has urged the Trump administration to intervene in a litany of copyright cases involving artificial intelligence firms, to try to stop authors and publishers from having their work used for training AI models without permission.

More of these techbro assholes trying to argue that the law doesn't apply to them because they're so fucking special.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not sure where to put this.

https://prospect.org/2025/10/31/progressive-tech-group-asks-trump-to-block-ai-copyright-cases/

The Chamber of Progress, a self-styled “progressive” industry trade group supported by most of the biggest tech platforms, has urged the Trump administration to intervene in a litany of copyright cases involving artificial intelligence firms, to try to stop authors and publishers from having their work used for training AI models without permission.

We live in a world where there are no laws except Wilhoit's law: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Copyright laws are no exception.  Do they apply to peons who might infringe on the works of mega-tech platforms?  100% YES.  Do they apply to mega-tech platforms who ADMIT to pirating copyrighted information and storing it to train their models?  100% NOPE.

Guys, you need to accept the fact that we do not live in anything even remotely resembling a Republic built on the Rule of Law anymore (imperfect as it may have been).  We now live in modern conservative oligarchy.  What's even more maddening is that it is all made possible by the continuing support OF MEMBERS OF THE OUT GROUP.  Cletus in Possum Dick keeps voting for this.  Why?  Cuz fuck trannies and mexicans, that's why.

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7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We live in a world where there are no laws except Wilhoit's law: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Copyright laws are no exception.  Do they apply to peons who might infringe on the works of mega-tech platforms?  100% YES.  Do they apply to mega-tech platforms who ADMIT to pirating copyrighted information and storing it to train their models?  100% NOPE.

Guys, you need to accept the fact that we do not live in anything even remotely resembling a Republic built on the Rule of Law anymore (imperfect as it may have been).  We now live in modern conservative oligarchy.  What's even more maddening is that it is all made possible by the continuing support OF MEMBERS OF THE OUT GROUP.  Cletus in Possum Dick keeps voting for this.  Why?  Cuz fuck trannies and mexicans, that's why.

Rep for Cletus in Possum Dick.

Posted
57 minutes ago, Captainant said:

lulz wtf is an AI Browser? Who the hell would use one of these??

Really good example of prompt injection vulnerabilities that you would be making yourself exposed to. But yeah the "AI browsers" are just SUPER userdata vacuums.

All hail surveilance capitalism

Pliney the Prompter is such a fantastic name.

Posted
49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We live in a world where there are no laws except Wilhoit's law: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Copyright laws are no exception.  Do they apply to peons who might infringe on the works of mega-tech platforms?  100% YES.  Do they apply to mega-tech platforms who ADMIT to pirating copyrighted information and storing it to train their models?  100% NOPE.

Guys, you need to accept the fact that we do not live in anything even remotely resembling a Republic built on the Rule of Law anymore (imperfect as it may have been).  We now live in modern conservative oligarchy.  What's even more maddening is that it is all made possible by the continuing support OF MEMBERS OF THE OUT GROUP.  Cletus in Possum Dick keeps voting for this.  Why?  Cuz fuck trannies and mexicans, that's why.

One sort of positive here is that the executive lacks the ability to immediately change the copyright law, to "intervene" in AI cases.

And, even though this executive loves to assert power he lacks, he would have to do so in courts of law, where thus far, he has been least effective, other than on the shadow docket at SCOTUS.

They're going to have a hell of a time getting private-party copyright cases on the shadow docket at SCOTUS.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

They're going to have a hell of a time getting private-party copyright cases on the shadow docket at SCOTUS.

[laughs in Alito Thomas Kavanaugh Gorsuch Barrett]

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