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34 minutes ago, Chopped said:

Wait, didn’t you hate Quinn? And you’re giving this garbage a pass? 
 

Arch apologists are wayyy worse than Quinn apologists. 
 

I saw VY go through growing pains. It wasn’t half a season of shit. 

lol yes it was

Posted
11 minutes ago, Derka said:

oh yeah, this was soooooo hard to see coming: the QE zealots holding arch to a higher standard than they ever did QE, even though Arch is on a dog shit with team with an impossibly bad o line. i bet arch would really love to have bijan robinson, jonathan brooks, roschon johnson, xavier worthy, ad mitchell, matthew golden, jordan whittington, jt sanders, gunnar helm, kelvin banks, jake majors, an entire online that was a finalist for the joe moore award, etc, etc, etc.

please do not come in here acting as if arch and quinn are in remotely similar situations.

QE completely outplayed Arch even if you just use his worse game. Arch has been fucking terrible this season. 

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21 minutes ago, Derka said:

1.no, i did not hate quinn, i vehemently disagreed with y’all’s insane declarations of his greatness

2.who is giving arch a pass? saying that we shouldn’t completely give up on him after 7 starts is giving him a pass? yeah i don’t think so.

3. “arch apologists” have said things like, “arch improved in the second half, and i like that he stands tall in the pocket.” quinn’s fanboi’s were/are rabid and obsessive and and above all completely delusional about his abilities, performances, his place in UT history, where he would be drafted, etc. “arch apologists” are literally just like, “let’s not encourage him to transfer just yet.” you’re basically sitting here telling me that the guardian angels are wayyyy worse than ICE. ha. it’s a laughable take.

btw, we lose that game by 100 with QE as our starter. he’d have been sacked probably 12 times, assuming he didn’t get injured on the opening drive. arch did things in the pocket and under pressure today that quinn couldn’t do with 37 starts under his belt. we win the game today if we don’t have our worst o line performance in the last 15-16 years. arch still wasn’t great, but there are clear signs that he can develop into a really good qb.

a lot of y’all are desperate for a quinn supporters vs arch supporters war, and it’s childish and stupid. nobody here has given arch a pass. if you think not wanting to move on from him after today = giving him a pass then you’ve made my point about Team Quinn being a bunch of rabid zealots.

Never change Surly, never change. On that note, I’m out for the day! 😂

Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

QE completely outplayed Arch even if you just use his worse game. Arch has been fucking terrible this season. 

That okie state game Quinn looked like he was point shaving. I think that was the last true road game we’ve lost in conference. Compared to that game I thought Arch looked good. But yeah- on balance Wuinn from the last 2 seasons way better then arch this season so far. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, WBT said:

no it wasn't

Yes it was. There’s a reason we scored zero fucking points in Dallas and people wanted Chance fucking Mock to play. 
VY made some plays, he also looked like he couldn’t play quarterback for a season and a half.

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

QE completely outplayed Arch even if you just use his worse game. Arch has been fucking terrible this season. 

Won't look up Arch's stats, but here's QE's 4 shittiest games by QBR:

 

47.3 - TCU (22)
50.2 - Ok St (22)
53.6 - Wyo (23)
54.1 -  OU (24)

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

QE completely outplayed Arch even if you just use his worse game. Arch has been fucking terrible this season. 

2024 arch completely outplayed 2025 arch, we’ve been over this a bunch of times in this thread. arch has unarguably regressed from last year, along with a lot of this team apparently. nobody has denied that. with that said, today’s game would have been the absolute worst case scenario for quinn ewers. that porous o line, the myriad penalties and playing from behind all day, that relentless florida pass rush where they only needed to rush four- QE never played in a game like at Texas, and thank god, because again, that’s his worst nightmare. the majority of our yards today came from arch making plays under pressure/after the play broke down, aka the very thing QE was worst at. not sure how you could watch QE for three years and not realize this.

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3 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

We had 11 yds rushing today and gave up 451 yds to a team that could barely move the ball against anyone else. Yet we’re here talking about Arch lol

Well….this is the Arch thread

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Won't look up Arch's stats, but here's QE's 4 shittiest games by QBR:

 

47.3 - TCU (22)
50.2 - Ok St (22)
53.6 - Wyo (23)
54.1 -  OU (24)

I forgot about that TCU game. He was probably worse there than Ok State. 

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

2024 arch completely outplayed 2025 arch, we’ve been over this a bunch of times in this thread. arch has unarguably regressed from last year, along with a lot of this team apparently. nobody has denied that. with that said, today’s game would have been the absolute worst case scenario for quinn ewers. that porous o line, the myriad penalties and playing from behind all day, that relentless florida pass rush where they only needed to rush four- QE never played in a game like at Texas, and thank god, because again, that’s his worst nightmare. the majority of our yards today came from arch making plays under pressure/after the play broke down, aka the very thing QE was worst at. not sure how you could watch QE for three years and not realize this.

What's your point? 

Posted
41 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

if he was a 4 star no name, he would have been in a QB battle to earn the right to start right now vs Caldwell

 

41 minutes ago, Derka said:

you believe that sark is knowingly starting an inferior qb because of his recruiting ranking and family name?

 

I believe Sark is starting the player (1) that he recruited (2) with the higher ceiling (3) with the stronger arm.

Caldwell has a much lower ceiling, no doubt.  In limited plays this year, he seems to execute fairly well.  Playing him over Manning may well signal the end in some people's minds.

I am strained to even suggest that Caldwell should play.  He was unrated out of HS (Auburn, AL) and went Gardner-Webb and Troy.  He was the 247 #122 QB in the portal, with the following ahead of him: (1) Nico (2) Beck (3) Mateer (4) Mendoza (8) Murphy (9) Weigman (11) Miller Moss (13) Arnold (26) Calzeda (38) Nelson, Purdue's #1 and #2 QB, (94) BYU starter.  Texas was not going to pay for 1-4.  Most of the others seemingly really stink.

Not a great place when your OL is steaming refuse.

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This thread will continue to grow but our MAIN problem the last two years has not been the QB. It is our OL being dominated by teams with a pulse. 11 attempts for 14 yards by RBs should get any team beat regardless of QB. The second problem is Sark developed good QBs when his job was OC and that was his only job. Ewers and Arch both have shown bad fundamentals that is no longer just on them and it is a systemic problem.  So much for a season in which Sark had to take it to the next level.

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1 minute ago, boilerhorn said:

 

 

I believe Sark is starting the player (1) that he recruited (2) with the higher ceiling (3) with the stronger arm.

Caldwell has a much lower ceiling, no doubt.  In limited plays this year, he seems to execute fairly well.  Playing him over Manning may well signal the end in some people's minds.

I am strained to even suggest that Caldwell should play.  He was unrated out of HS (Auburn, AL) and went Gardner-Webb and Troy.  He was the 247 #122 QB in the portal, with the following ahead of him: (1) Nico (2) Beck (3) Mateer (4) Mendoza (8) Murphy (9) Weigman (11) Miller Moss (13) Arnold (26) Calzeda (38) Nelson, Purdue's #1 and #2 QB, (94) BYU starter.  Texas was not going to pay for 1-4.  Most of the others seemingly really stink.

Not a great place when your OL is steaming refuse.

Todays loss signaled the end 

Posted
19 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Arch was terrible against OSU and a lot of SJSU and pretty much all of UTEP. He was fine today in the context of how the team go whipped. If he keeps up this progression he will be fine, probably, sometime next year. If this shit OL doesn’t get him killed first. 
 

 

He is still missing easy throws by a mile.  The slant on the last drive before the half?  7 yard slant maybe 15 yards away from him and the ball wasn’t two yards whiten the receiver?  His head is still screwed. 

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1 minute ago, DanTheHorn said:

This thread will continue to grow but our MAIN problem the last two years has not been the QB. It is our OL being dominated by teams with a pulse. 11 attempts for 14 yards by RBs should get any team beat regardless of QB. The second problem is Sark developed good QBs when his job was OC and that was his only job. Ewers and Arch both have shown bad fundamentals that is no longer just on them and it is a systemic problem.  So much for a season in which Sark had to take it to the next level.

It’s literally both

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This is the Arch thread, but that OL is gonna get that man concussed or worse.  2025 Arch with the 2024 OL would be a totally different QB.  But what-ifs are painful.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

2024 arch completely outplayed 2025 arch, we’ve been over this a bunch of times in this thread. arch has unarguably regressed from last year, along with a lot of this team apparently. nobody has denied that. with that said, today’s game would have been the absolute worst case scenario for quinn ewers. that porous o line, the myriad penalties and playing from behind all day, that relentless florida pass rush where they only needed to rush four- QE never played in a game like at Texas, and thank god, because again, that’s his worst nightmare. the majority of our yards today came from arch making plays under pressure/after the play broke down, aka the very thing QE was worst at. not sure how you could watch QE for three years and not realize this.

Still constructing made-up scenarios in your head and stating them as fact, I see. 

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3 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

This thread will continue to grow but our MAIN problem the last two years has not been the QB. It is our OL being dominated by teams with a pulse. 11 attempts for 14 yards by RBs should get any team beat regardless of QB. The second problem is Sark developed good QBs when his job was OC and that was his only job. Ewers and Arch both have shown bad fundamentals that is no longer just on them and it is a systemic problem.  So much for a season in which Sark had to take it to the next level.

I agree on the OL, but man a couple of elite RBs would work wonders. That side Step on Baugh’s TD was sexy as hell and made everyone look good.  

Posted
4 hours ago, Derka said:

you believe that sark is knowingly starting an inferior qb because of his recruiting ranking

Yea I mean this is what you and others were saying about Ewers last year, so shit maybe?

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Posted
3 hours ago, Derka said:

 

btw, we lose that game by 100 with QE as our starter. he’d have been sacked probably 12 times, assuming he didn’t get injured on the opening drive. arch did things in the pocket and under pressure today that quinn couldn’t do with 37 starts under his belt. we win the game today if we don’t have our worst o line performance in the last 15-16 years. arch still wasn’t great, but there are clear signs that he can develop into a really good qb.

a lot of y’all are desperate for a quinn supporters vs arch supporters war, and it’s childish and stupid. nobody here has given arch a pass. if you think not wanting to move on from him after today = giving him a pass then you’ve made my point about Team Quinn being a bunch of rabid zealots.

I told myself I wasn't going to do this but then I read this drivel and just have to respond. 

I now understand why you say the shit you do. You see football in a vacuum and are incapable of calculating cause and effect. You said if Quinn played he would be sacked 12 times. Here is what I said to a poster after the Sam Houston game two weeks ago. 

 

 

On 9/21/2025 at 9:57 PM, Thatguy said:

Ughhh sigh. You don't see it do you? Notice the usual hardcore x and o guys are pretty quiet? There is a reason for that. Arch beat the yips, and everyone was happy as hell to see it. However, we also see his processing speed is still incredibly slow. He is holding onto the ball forever. I was yelling at the tv, "Let it go 16!". He still missed a bunch of easy reads, and he needs to get out of bounds when he runs. We are all still nervously waiting to see how that shakes out vs good competition. You CAN say what you want to. I am a big believer in karma and the football gods. 

Most of us noticed even in his success last week that if Florida had any decent pass rush we would be exactly where we are tonight. The thing about you is you saw Arch getting harassed in the pocket. So in your rigid mind, because Quinn is immobile and Arch is not, it equals Quinn getting sacked more. The reality is that football is not played in a vacuum. Quinn IS more immobile than Arch, but he also gets the ball out quick which neutralizes pass rushes. 

Coming into this game that Florida team defended 104 passes and only garnered 3 sacks. They have a very average pass rush that simply looked effective because we were holding the ball so much. We spent all last year calling Quinn Mr Checkdown and that's because he was getting the ball out before the pass rush could get home. Go watch last year's Florida game and watch how quickly Quinn is getting rid of the football. QE threw for 333 and 5 TDs last year. 

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4 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Arch was terrible against OSU and a lot of SJSU and pretty much all of UTEP. He was fine today in the context of how the team go whipped. If he keeps up this progression he will be fine, probably, sometime next year. If this shit OL doesn’t get him killed first. 
 

 

Arch was hit the entire game... No excuses for the shitshow Texas OL

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Posted (edited)

Crossposting to this thread...

Manning is not a 2026 NFL Draft prospect

With below-average offensive line play and a quarterback who is trying to figure out his passing rhythm and anticipation in real time, the result is Texas’ offense. Young quarterbacks tend to be overly conservative, and we are reminded of Manning’s inexperience with every dropback. Against Florida, his lack of anticipation led to tardy decisions. And too often when he found the right read, he hurried his mechanics, which resulted in an inaccurate throw (or worse, an interception). It doesn’t help that the Gators consistently got pressure with only four rushers, and the Texas running game offered very little relief, which put an even heavier burden on the quarterback.

Manning’s best play of the day was his third-quarter touchdown toss. He was immediately forced off his spot (again, by a four-man rush), and he subtly shuffled to his left and found Wingo on the post for the touchdown pass. In the second half, Manning’s ability to keep plays alive with his legs was a major factor in Texas keeping it a one-possession game. While an inconsistent performance overall, there were several examples of progress to take away from Manning’s day.

Like with any college quarterback with single-digit career starts and an inconsistent supporting cast, any reaction to his play shouldn’t be an obituary. Is development guaranteed? Of course not. But how Manning looked in his first career SEC road start (Saturday against the Gators) will almost certainly look different when he makes his 20th career start. This is a quarterback figuring things out in the moment, which is why Manning shouldn’t be considered a 2026 NFL Draft prospect — he is a 2027 or 2028 NFL Draft prospect. — Dane Brugler, NFL Draft analyst

 

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4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Arch was hit the entire game... No excuses for the shitshow Texas OL

If Arch hits the open guys underneath he doesn’t get hit as much. Instead he holds the ball too long and causes all his issues. If his first read isn’t there at this point he’s better off taking off and using his legs. Because waiting for a deep shot every down isn’t winning football. 

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4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Arch was hit the entire game... No excuses for the shitshow Texas OL

And apparently Texas doesn’t have any RBs with explosive speed either.  How is the fuck is that possible?  Total shitshow for Sark’s 5th season.  Fucking mess.

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I noticed Stroh got replaced yesterday. Everyone with eyes has seen that issue for 4 weeks but we decide to finally address it in our conference opener mid game. Shit’s infuriating. Best player plays and move on. 
I also thought we were going to play tighter coverage as a defense. It looked like we were scared of getting burned without Muhammad so we went back to 5 yard cushions. We gave a struggling qb easy throws and he made them. If we continue to play this defensive style with our current offense we’re fucked.

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4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Crossposting to this thread...

Manning is not a 2026 NFL Draft prospect

With below-average offensive line play and a quarterback who is trying to figure out his passing rhythm and anticipation in real time, the result is Texas’ offense. Young quarterbacks tend to be overly conservative, and we are reminded of Manning’s inexperience with every dropback. Against Florida, his lack of anticipation led to tardy decisions. And too often when he found the right read, he hurried his mechanics, which resulted in an inaccurate throw (or worse, an interception). It doesn’t help that the Gators consistently got pressure with only four rushers, and the Texas running game offered very little relief, which put an even heavier burden on the quarterback.

Manning’s best play of the day was his third-quarter touchdown toss. He was immediately forced off his spot (again, by a four-man rush), and he subtly shuffled to his left and found Wingo on the post for the touchdown pass. In the second half, Manning’s ability to keep plays alive with his legs was a major factor in Texas keeping it a one-possession game. While an inconsistent performance overall, there were several examples of progress to take away from Manning’s day.

Like with any college quarterback with single-digit career starts and an inconsistent supporting cast, any reaction to his play shouldn’t be an obituary. Is development guaranteed? Of course not. But how Manning looked in his first career SEC road start (Saturday against the Gators) will almost certainly look different when he makes his 20th career start. This is a quarterback figuring things out in the moment, which is why Manning shouldn’t be considered a 2026 NFL Draft prospect — he is a 2027 or 2028 NFL Draft prospect. — Dane Brugler, NFL Draft analyst

 

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Arch produced basically all of our offensive output yesterday. Everything else around him was absolute shit. He was forced into hero ball and it almost paid off. There’s no doubt that his preference is to throw deep, but that’s also what was needed of him as the 2nd half progressed. I don’t think Sark called for much short-intermediate passing. He still needs to work on getting to the check down faster, but I’ll need to see replays that show that was even there before making any declarations of fact.

As for his accuracy, I really don’t recall many if any bad misses yesterday when he wasn’t stepping into or following through into a large human body. He can work on finding space in the pocket to avoid that, but I’m not sure how available real estate was yeaterday.

Decision making and running an effective offense with audibles may still be where he ultimately falls short, but let’s give it time. Penalties put us in bad situations far too often yesterday to run a normal offense.

Much of this discourse reminds me of when Sam Ehlinger was a meathead cave man who would never get better. Maybe Arch won’t pan out besides every possible advantage that could be given to a QB, but I’m not convinced that will be the case.

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10 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

This thread will continue to grow but our MAIN problem the last two years has not been the QB. It is our OL being dominated by teams with a pulse. 11 attempts for 14 yards by RBs should get any team beat regardless of QB. The second problem is Sark developed good QBs when his job was OC and that was his only job. Ewers and Arch both have shown bad fundamentals that is no longer just on them and it is a systemic problem.  So much for a season in which Sark had to take it to the next level.

 

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if your OL is dog shit and you have a mobile QB you should tailor your play calling to exploit that. Sark either doesn’t have a variety of such plays in his arsenal or he’s determined to keep pounding the square peg regardless of the evidence at hand. 
 

can someone point to one thing in any aspect of play that this team has improved on since the season opener?

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Arch was playing hero ball yesterday.

he doesn’t have a hero ball scheme or team built around him. If it was Herman calling his hero ball get your qb murdered game, like we saw Sam so many times, maybe we pull that one out by a miracle.

Sark wants this offense to be the mac jones bama machine.

 

he refuses to adjust to the fact he doesn’t have those WRs, running backs or line.

i don’t care how many touch downs he can scheme open, we need an offense that can reliably move the chains and stay on the field and then can execute in the red zone. 

 

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6 minutes ago, TheYoungHorn said:

Arch was playing hero ball yesterday.

he doesn’t have a hero ball scheme or team built around him. If it was Herman calling his hero ball get your qb murdered game, like we saw Sam so many times, maybe we pull that one out by a miracle.

Sark wants this offense to be the mac jones bama machine.

 

he refuses to adjust to the fact he doesn’t have those WRs, running backs or line.

i don’t care how many touch downs he can scheme open, we need an offense that can reliably move the chains and stay on the field and then can execute in the red zone. 

 

As said elsewhere, I think he sees these same players executing his machine in practice just like they did at Bama and assumes they will be able to do so in games and any failure there is more aberration than who the players are.

And that may be the difference between year after year of stacking high five-stars with good evals and development (Bama, Georgia) and a couple of years of stacking mid-high five stars with maybe not so good evals or development.

And I think he accounts for the slop between Texas today and Bama then with things like "godalmighty, Mac Jones could do this, why can't Quinn or Arch do this."

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We aren't undefeated with Quinn.  We struggled in Arky, aggy and Georgia to get points and couldn't put SEC teams  away last year. Florida had a good defense and the type that gives us fits. Quinn had negative rushing yards for the year and it would be worse this year.  We were an awful red zone team, had crap load of 3 and an outs and batted balls. Quinn was a seven round pick for a reason. He also had a top 10 tackle, a first round WR, a fourth round TE, and a fifth round RB.  If Bond didn't have his legal troubles, he is a 3-4 round pick. We are much worse at every position on offense and we also got lucky with opposing teams having injury issues when we played them last year.
 

At some point, it ceases to be a qb issue and is a coaching issue.  No matter who is qb, our offense is consistently underperforming.  I'm sick of screen shots that show open players and how Sark is a master at play calling. If college players can't execute it without Alabama (of old) talent it's a shitty offense.  I'm thinking Quinn and Arch would have been better under a different QB whisperer.

 

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4 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

We aren't undefeated with Quinn.  We struggled in Arky, aggy and Georgia to get points and couldn't put SEC teams  away last year. Florida had a good defense and the type that gives us fits. Quinn had negative rushing yards for the year and it would be worse this year.  We were an awful red zone team, had crap load of 3 and an outs and batted balls. Quinn was a seven round pick for a reason. He also had a top 10 tackle, a first round WR, a fourth round TE, and a fifth round RB.  If Bond didn't have his legal troubles, he is a 3-4 round pick. We are much worse at every position on offense and we also got lucky with opposing teams having injury issues when we played them last year.
 

At some point, it  to be a qb issue and is a coaching issue.  No matter who is qb, our offense is consistently underperforming.  I'm sick of screen shots that show open players and how Sark is a master at play calling. If college players can't execute it without Alabama (of old) talent it's a shitty offense.  I'm thinking Quinn and Arch would have been better under a different QB whisperer.

 

I think really the main issue last year was OL.  It wasn't as stark as this year, but they couldn't block a run game for shit and fell apart in pass protection just enough to get Quinn hurt and running for his life, at least in his mind.

And that with the majority of the OL getting drafted.

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"Clearly, the main problem this year is the OL--no push in the run game; inability to block a 4-man pass-rush; impotence in the red zone. Equally clearly, it won't get fixed this year. It is possible that Arch can improve with experience. It's possible that Sark can get his head out of his ass and call plays to suit our personnel, rather than the other way around. I don't see that possibility with the O-Line. It appears to me that the problems with coaching lie more in talent acquisition/development than everyday X's and O's. We simply don't have the talent. We struggled in our "wins" against three spares and got dominated against teams with a pulse (Florida's questionable here). That's on both Sark and Flood. It's going to be rough the rest of this season."

--Captain Obvious

Posted
12 hours ago, Chopped said:

Arch apologists are wayyy worse than Quinn apologists. 

this is the most absurd post in this entire forum this weekend, which says a lot. the arch “apologists” took all of six quarters of Arch as our starting qb to be like, “uh oh, this guy isn’t very good”, something that QE’s rabid zealots to this day have never been able to admit about quinn. the people who simply aren’t ready to cut bait on Arch prematurely don’t live in the same universe as the QE cultists.

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