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I just think about all of the things the Democrats could have done, and didn’t do, ensure the current situation didn’t happen. 

They should have been pounding a message campaign for the last year+ about all of Trumps failures, misdeeds, convictions, etc. The list is so long I can’t even remember them all myself. Hammer it over and over and over. Just like the Republicans do on their topics, like immigration. They barely talk about all of his eff ups. 

They could have been grooming 1-2 really strong candidates publicly to take over for Biden. Everyone has known for 2-3 years that he’s too old. They could have been giving those 1-2 people some visibility to position them for the next election. Instead they worried too much about undercutting Biden’s authority. 

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Who are they?

The ones who are dangerously close to losing twice to the worst candidate in history.

This fiasco is on the entire party.  The Dems are right on all of the issues, but they're about as competent at campaining as Gregg Berhalter is at international soccer.

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7 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I just think about all of the things the Democrats could have done, and didn’t do, ensure the current situation didn’t happen. 

They should have been pounding a message campaign for the last year+ about all of Trumps failures, misdeeds, convictions, etc. The list is so long I can’t even remember them all myself. Hammer it over and over and over. Just like the Republicans do on their topics, like immigration. They barely talk about all of his eff ups. 

They could have been grooming 1-2 really strong candidates publicly to take over for Biden. Everyone has known for 2-3 years that he’s too old. They could have been giving those 1-2 people some visibility to position them for the next election. Instead they worried too much about undercutting Biden’s authority. 

If there’s one thing Dems do that make me ragey is they play too nicely. I love Michelle Obama but her “when they go low, we go high” comment is probably one of the worst things that could have been said. 

Someone tweeted yesterday that Dems are the ones saying “there’s no way a dog could ever play basketball!” Meanwhile, a dog is in the game doing a slam dunk right in front of everyone and we all see it. 

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The Dems play nice because when they don't they get called out for it by the media as Democrats have to be perfect to be acceptable to mainstream Americans. If Biden grabs for power, the pearl clutching increases because "see, see, he's doing what we told you Crooked Joe Biden would do". It's a can't win situation because Republicans are continually excused for being the worst people ever. Go back to any time Obama tried to do anything and the utter outrage it caused. Government healthcare...FOR SHAME! Never mind that old people love having government healthcare as a safety net. Our country couldn't even handle what little Obama did that Trump became a legitimate alternative for half the country. Maybe we're the real fucking problem and not what the Democratic machine puts up. But it's fine, we'll get the real course correction we need for four years. Hopefully, we'll live through it. 

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19 minutes ago, immamac said:

No, he really doesn't. He needs to hope everyone forgets about the first one. 

Wrong. His best chance to make everyone forget about the first one is to turn in a solid performance in a second one. That should be self-evident.

No one is going to forget the first one. Trump will flood the airways with reminders. 

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The Dems play nice because when they don't they get called out for it by the media as Democrats have to be perfect to be acceptable to mainstream Americans. If Biden grabs for power, the pearl clutching increases because "see, see, he's doing what we told you Crooked Joe Biden would do". It's a can't win situation because Republicans are continually excused for being the worst people ever. Go back to any time Obama tried to do anything and the utter outrage it caused. Government healthcare...FOR SHAME! Never mind that old people love having government healthcare as a safety net. Our country couldn't even handle what little Obama did that Trump became a legitimate alternative for half the country. Maybe we're the real fucking problem and not what the Democratic machine puts up. But it's fine, we'll get the real course correction we need for four years. Hopefully, we'll live through it. 

The court just gave the president the power to commit all the crimes he wants.... Not one person is worried about what Biden or the dems will do with it. 

They really, really need to get the message out that you simply cannot let a criminal back into the White House, when it's now legal for the president to commit crimes. 

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4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The Dems play nice because when they don't they get called out for it by the media as Democrats have to be perfect to be acceptable to mainstream Americans. If Biden grabs for power, the pearl clutching increases because "see, see, he's doing what we told you Crooked Joe Biden would do". It's a can't win situation because Republicans are continually excused for being the worst people ever. Go back to any time Obama tried to do anything and the utter outrage it caused. Government healthcare...FOR SHAME! Never mind that old people love having government healthcare as a safety net. Our country couldn't even handle what little Obama did that Trump became a legitimate alternative for half the country. Maybe we're the real fucking problem and not what the Democratic machine puts up. But it's fine, we'll get the real course correction we need for four years. Hopefully, we'll live through it. 

I've been trying to find a way to articulate this and have not done as good a job as this, you're spot on, the problem is that Dems have to be perfect, including amongst their traditional voting bloc, while literally nothing matters to Republican voters, they will always just vote against the "libs."

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7 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Wrong. His best chance to make everyone forget about the first one is to turn in a solid performance in a second one. That should be self-evident.

No one is going to forget the first one. Trump will flood the airways with reminders. 

You were always a moron, but holy shit you are really this stupid? 

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4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Wrong. His best chance to make everyone forget about the first one is to turn in a solid performance in a second one. That should be self-evident.

No one is going to forget the first one. Trump will flood the airways with reminders. 

You reminded me of the Stern interview yesterday.  Other than that, all he does is teleprompters.  Never an interview with the NYT, LA Times, Washington Post.  No layup appearances on Good Morning America joking while they bring out the adorable golden retriever of the day.  No sit downs with Colbert or get his hair tousled by Jimmy Fallon.  All we have to think about is his "finally defeat medicare" performance.  So that is all that we have to go on.  You have to give us other content to think about. It is such an obvious problem with such an obvious solution, it makes it clear that he just physically can't do those things without them being a net negative.

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Good luck running a candidate you're afraid to put on a debate stage with a convicted felon and rapist, because he might not complete his sentences or say things that make sense. 

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im sick and tired of "democrats are bad at strategy" rants and Joe is too old rants. Fuck all of that. You think the republicans are good at strategy? WTF? they have lost every election since 2016. They have turned over their party and strategy to a con man who has the worst instincts in the world and loses over and over and over again. Accordingly, the republicans keep getting their asses handed to them over and over and over again by a Democratic party that y'all cant stop complaining about. I mean what the ever living fuck are y'all talking about?

Biden is too old? maybe. probably but even dead Joe is a superior candidate to the lying, stealing, joke of a con man that Trump is. When Trump and the republicans get their asses handed to them AGAIN in the Fall, will y'all please shut the fuck up about democrats being bad at everything? meanwhile, me and the democratic party are over here raising money, organizing get out the vote campaigns and all kinds of shit that I guess doesn't  count toward strategy but sure as shit wins elections.  

 

 

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The debates were always more of a risk to Biden than Trump. Biden always had the higher standard to achieve because his age is a bigger issue than if Trump is a piece of shit. It shouldn't be that way but it is. 

Biden needs to recognize his legacy is about to be like Ruth Bader Ginsberg's. She did a lot of great things but hung on too long and all the good she did was eliminated. Yeah that's unfair because no one counted on Republicans being massive pieces of shit and breaking traditions (BIG SHOCKER!). Biden may go down as the person who hung on too long and allowed the country to slip into authoritarianism because he was too prideful to step down. There is a way to handle this well but Joe has to make a decision quickly and then EVERYONE has to get behind his successor. If that's Kamala, so be it. Right now, a large portion of the middle is either going to vote for Trump because the alternative is a feeble old man who will not survive the next 4 years or will just stay home. Then it becomes a dangerous game of can present day Biden win enough votes in the states that matter more than someone like Kamala. Or it's just too late and we're fucked. I don't know, it's tiring. 

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41 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

This…this last debate? No it wasn’t. People’s minds were already made up before that happened. 

 

This is just wrong.  When Biden inevitably loses this election, this debate will forever be discussed as the turning point and every decision the inner circle of the party made in the 18 months leading up to it and after will be debated.   The debate convinced the vast majority of Biden voters that Biden is flat out unfit to be President for another term.  Full Stop.  The result will be a bunch of those in the category of "reluctant" Biden Voters or pure Anti-Trump voters to sit it out or vote 3rd party.  Because the reality is neither of these candidates have any business being President.  The competent American public recognizes what a ridiculous choice it is and the reality is many will just throw their hands in the air and say fuck it, wake me up in 4 years. 

The margins were slim to begin with but relying on the non R voting public to actually make an effort to vote on the basis that an essentially incapacitated Biden is still better than Trump is not a winning strategy.

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9 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

im sick and tired of "democrats are bad at strategy" rants and Joe is too old rants.

They are, he is, and I'm more sick and tired of that being true than I am of the rants.

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3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is just wrong.  When Biden inevitably loses this election, this debate will forever be discussed as the turning point and every decision the inner circle of the party made in the 18 months leading up to it and after will be debated.   The debate convinced the vast majority of Biden voters that Biden is flat out unfit to be President for another term.  Full Stop.  The result will be a bunch of those in the category of "reluctant" Biden Voters or pure Anti-Trump voters to sit it out or vote 3rd party.  Because the reality is neither of these candidates have any business being President.  The competent American public recognizes what a ridiculous choice it is and the reality is many will just throw their hands in the air and say fuck it, wake me up in 4 years. 

The margins were slim to begin with but relying on the non R voting public to actually make an effort to vote on the basis that an essentially incapacitated Biden is still better than Trump is not a winning strategy.

If America votes in a lying anti-American traitor who is openly saying he'll go full dictator, because of a bad debate performance by his opponent, we don't deserve democracy anyway.

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3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is just wrong.  When Biden inevitably loses this election, this debate will forever be discussed as the turning point and every decision the inner circle of the party made in the 18 months leading up to it and after will be debated.   The debate convinced the vast majority of Biden voters that Biden is flat out unfit to be President for another term.  Full Stop.  The result will be a bunch of those in the category of "reluctant" Biden Voters or pure Anti-Trump voters to sit it out or vote 3rd party.  Because the reality is neither of these candidates have any business being President.  The competent American public recognizes what a ridiculous choice it is and the reality is many will just throw their hands in the air and say fuck it, wake me up in 4 years. 

The margins were slim to begin with but relying on the non R voting public to actually make an effort to vote on the basis that an essentially incapacitated Biden is still better than Trump is not a winning strategy.

The debate was validation for people who thought already that Biden was too old. For those on the fence, it was the jumping off point. For those on the left who were never happy that an old man was the choice with no alternatives allowed, it was validation that we're about to lose everything because we want to place our faith that the American public will think old man Biden is better than authoritarian Trump. 

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27 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Wrong. His best chance to make everyone forget about the first one is to turn in a solid performance in a second one. That should be self-evident.

No one is going to forget the first one. Trump will flood the airways with reminders. 

So.  Much.  Denial.

This is like a TCU football fan thinking they could beat Georgia if they got another crack at it.

Biden should be kept away from cameras as much as possible, and he should always be limited to prepared remarks.  Anything beyond that is asking for another disaster.  Because that "cold" isn't going away.

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56 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

The ones who are dangerously close to losing twice to the worst candidate in history.

This fiasco is on the entire party.  The Dems are right on all of the issues, but they're about as competent at campaining as Gregg Berhalter is at international soccer.

What should they have done? Support a challenge to their own incumbent?

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14 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is just wrong.  When Biden inevitably loses this election, this debate will forever be discussed as the turning point and every decision the inner circle of the party made in the 18 months leading up to it and after will be debated.   The debate convinced the vast majority of Biden voters that Biden is flat out unfit to be President for another term.  Full Stop.  The result will be a bunch of those in the category of "reluctant" Biden Voters or pure Anti-Trump voters to sit it out or vote 3rd party.  Because the reality is neither of these candidates have any business being President.  The competent American public recognizes what a ridiculous choice it is and the reality is many will just throw their hands in the air and say fuck it, wake me up in 4 years. 

The margins were slim to begin with but relying on the non R voting public to actually make an effort to vote on the basis that an essentially incapacitated Biden is still better than Trump is not a winning strategy.

All of this. And I can't even really blame those who sit out at this point. People can call them stupid or short-sighted or uninformed or manipulated--and there's still a lot of truth to those descriptors in such a critical election--for not getting out and voting for the obvious lesser of two evils...but, "Hey, take time out of your day to vote for the guy who absolutely will not be president on January 1, 2029 (if he's still breathing)" inevitably breeds apathy.

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12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What should they have done? Support a challenge to their own incumbent?

It seems like someone should have gotten in Biden's ear a while ago about stepping aside. I know I, and many others, were mocked last year when bringing up running a different candidate due to giving up the incumbent advantage. Does that advantage still exist when the candidate appears unsafe to be left alone at home, much less run a country?

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8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What should they have done? Support a challenge to their own incumbent?

Yes.  If you believe the recent reporting of Bernstein, people within the party have been trying to ring the alarm bell for the past 18 months and there has been significant cognitive decline in particular within the past 6 months.   Given the debate performance that seems pretty valid.   So yes, I think the D inner circle/power brokers that were actually aware of this should have made the move months ago.  At the least, they never should have allowed him on a debate stage.   If it comes out that it really was Biden's stubbornness/failure to accept reality (whether in regards to running or with respect to doing the debate), this election is on everyone that enabled him or were too afraid to tell an old man no (even if he is the President). 

To be clear, I was supportive of the debate because I thought it gave him the chance to prove everyone wrong.  I had no idea he had declined as much as he obviously had.  The people in the room with him absolutely had to know and know the risk.  Absolute incompetence.

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32 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If America votes in a lying anti-American traitor who is openly saying he'll go full dictator, because of a bad debate performance by his opponent, we don't deserve democracy anyway.

Maybe, and hear me out, the Democrats should have put forth a better candidate?  Both in 2020, and 2024.

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Just now, DixonHur said:

Maybe, and hear me out, the Democrats should have put forth a better candidate?  Both in 2020, and 2024.

Um, no, maybe, just maybe, the American public should be turned off by fascism? Nah, blame the democrats, always their fault.

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Just now, hookem2010 said:

It seems like someone should have gotten in Biden's ear a while ago about stepping aside. I know I, and many others, were mocked last year when bringing up running a different candidate due to giving up the incumbent advantage. Does that advantage still exist when the candidate appears unsafe to be left alone at home, much less run a country?

I'm on record with this opinion but deferred to Biden being alright to run especially after the state of the union. The debate was...just one of those wow moments that doesn't happen very often. It was such an incredibly enormous miscalculation that it's really hard to logically process and justify as anything other than stupidity or intentional to get him to step aside. 

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46 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is just wrong.  When Biden inevitably loses this election, this debate will forever be discussed as the turning point and every decision the inner circle of the party made in the 18 months leading up to it and after will be debated.   The debate convinced the vast majority of Biden voters that Biden is flat out unfit to be President for another term.  Full Stop.  The result will be a bunch of those in the category of "reluctant" Biden Voters or pure Anti-Trump voters to sit it out or vote 3rd party.  Because the reality is neither of these candidates have any business being President.  The competent American public recognizes what a ridiculous choice it is and the reality is many will just throw their hands in the air and say fuck it, wake me up in 4 years. 

The margins were slim to begin with but relying on the non R voting public to actually make an effort to vote on the basis that an essentially incapacitated Biden is still better than Trump is not a winning strategy.

 

The debate wasn’t a turning point. People already knew they were going to vote for a lying sack of shit who is open about being a traitor to America. The debate just confirmed that. Biden could have gone Obama oratory style and it wouldn’t have changed anyone’s mind. They already knew what they were going to do. Biden voters were still going to vote for Biden regardless of his debate performance. You’re seeing them admit that now. Some of them want a change, sure, but they aren’t going all of a sudden not vote for Biden in November. If he’s on the ballot, he’s getting their vote. 

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

It's so fucking bad that Donald Trump didn't dunk on him. I don't think some of you have been honest with yourselves. This was so bad, the worst most morally bankrupt person in the public eye decided to not fuck with it because it was clear that Biden is just a sad old man who's lost his fucking marbles. It's fucking bad. Jake tapper isn't a Republican anything. Joe Biden shouldn't be the fucking president for 4 more years. Maybe he can do 1 or 2 more, but that's it. The campaign shouldn't drop him like a rock, but I think pivoting to a clear transition and graceful exit for him post election would be best. It was too early for him to transition out last year, he was fine, but he's meh at best going into November and by this time next year I doubt he's just coasting on the meh line, he will degrade and when he does if they have a real vocalized plan and everyone gets on board to gracefully transition I think they can run that ticket. 

4 more years of Biden is ludicrous. No one in their right mind believes that's possible. The 70% of voters who are already decided don't matter. The 30% left matter a lot, and those people for better or worse aren't voting for a fucking corpse even against a dictator. 

I wonder how it would sell to have Biden swap with Kamala and be VP?  My guess is that would be a disaster but maybe they could spin it as a way to keep the incumbency advantage and mitigate Harris’s downside.

Just now, Skipper said:

Yes.  If you believe the recent reporting of Bernstein, people within the party have been trying to ring the alarm bell for the past 18 months and there has been significant cognitive decline in particular within the past 6 months.   Given the debate performance that seems pretty valid.   So yes, I think the D inner circle/power brokers that were actually aware of this should have made the move months ago.  At the least, they never should have allowed him on a debate stage.   If it comes out that it really was Biden's stubbornness/failure to accept reality (whether in regards to running or with respect to doing the debate), this election is on everyone that enabled him or were too afraid to tell an old man no (even if he is the President). 

To be clear, I was supportive of the debate because I thought it gave him the chance to prove everyone wrong.  I had no idea he had declined as much as he obviously had.  The people in the room with him absolutely had to know and know the risk.  Absolute incompetence.

I was shocked by Biden in the debate because of how he looked in the SOTU in January.  That was just 5 months ago and that performance seemed to go a long way to alleviate concerns about Biden’s fitness; I know it did for me.  I was expecting another performance like that, so to see how bad off he was last week was devastating.

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Just now, hookem2010 said:

It seems like someone should have gotten in Biden's ear a while ago about stepping aside. I know I, and many others, were mocked last year when bringing up running a different candidate due to giving up the incumbent advantage. Does that advantage still exist when the candidate appears unsafe to be left alone at home, much less run a country?

I'm pretty sure someone's been in his ear since 2020, when the campaign hinted at serving one term.

But then he won and it became obvious that he was going to run for re-election because that's how presidential politics works.

Now someone has to convince him to willingly give up power. 

That is a Herculean task.

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37 minutes ago, immamac said:

You were always a moron, but holy shit you are really this stupid? 

You don’t handle criticism well at all. Has anyone ever told you that? Go ahead and get defensive and hostile. You’re wrong. You’re so wrong it’s not really worth my time trying to explain the obvious to you. But I’ll throw you a bone and see if you can figure it out.

There are two debates scheduled. All Biden had to do in the first one was go out there and show that he’s got it together and exceed the very low expectations set for him by his opponent. He failed miserably at that. So there’s another debate scheduled and if he can go out and show us the Biden we wanted to see in the first debate, you’re arguing that there is nothing to be gained by that. And you have the nerve to call me a moron. Lol, please. (It doesn’t matter whether you think he can improve his performance or not. That’s immaterial.)

It’s not rocket science. Biden lost the first contest. Of course he would benefit from a better performance in a rematch. How is that even questioned? You’ve followed sports before, right? This isn’t a novel concept.

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

The debate wasn’t a turning point. People already knew they were going to vote for a lying sack of shit who is open about being a traitor to America. The debate just confirmed that. Biden could have gone Obama oratory style and it wouldn’t have changed anyone’s mind. They already knew what they were going to do. Biden voters were still going to vote for Biden regardless of his debate performance. You’re seeing them admit that now. 

This is incredibly naive, dude. Swaying Trump voters over to Biden was never the objective of the debate.

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There's big "only I can fix it" energy from Biden since the Trump threat increased. We're now being asked to ignore every piece of data that shows he should step down because he's our only option to beat Trump. There's risk with both options of him staying or him stepping down. So someone better figure out the most likely option to not have Trump win and everyone get behind it immediately.

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The debate wasn’t a turning point. People already knew they were going to vote for a lying sack of shit who is open about being a traitor to America. The debate just confirmed that. Biden could have gone Obama oratory style and it wouldn’t have changed anyone’s mind. They already knew what they were going to do. Biden voters were still going to vote for Biden regardless of his debate performance. You’re seeing them admit that now. 

Yes but for those on the fence, the debate reinforced that staying home is the easiest option now than to either pull the lever for a felon or for someone they know will not finish out the next 4 years. Or they hold their nose and vote for Trump because continuity is easier to go with than the unknown of when Biden will die in office or be forced out due to being unable to complete the term. 

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I will admit that my concerns at the time were based more on Biden drowning in the admittedly flawed polls. But I don't think it was unbelievable or unforeseeable that Biden would be declining mentally by the time of this election. He's not just 81, he's been President or VP for 12 of the last 16 years, and the other 4 he was watching Trump attempt to destroy the country and campaigning. Not to mention the death of his son, or his other child's legal/personal issues. The man has experienced multiple lifetimes of stress in the last two decades.

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if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

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1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You don’t handle criticism well at all. Has anyone ever told you that? Go ahead and get defensive and hostile. You’re wrong. You’re so wrong it’s not really worth my time trying to explain the obvious to you. But I’ll throw you a bone and see if you can figure it out.

There are two debates scheduled. All Biden had to do in the first one was go out there and show that he’s got it together and exceed the very low expectations set for him by his opponent. He failed miserably at that. So there’s another debate scheduled and if he can go out and show us the Biden we wanted to see in the first debate, you’re arguing that there is nothing to be gained by that. And you have the nerve to call me a moron. Lol, please. (It doesn’t matter whether you think he can improve his performance or not. That’s immaterial.)

It’s not rocket science. Biden lost the first contest. Of course he would benefit from a better performance in a rematch. How is that even questioned? You’ve followed sports before, right? This isn’t a novel concept.

This isn't fucking sports you god damned idiot. 

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

The debate wasn’t a turning point. People already knew they were going to vote for a lying sack of shit who is open about being a traitor to America. The debate just confirmed that. Biden could have gone Obama oratory style and it wouldn’t have changed anyone’s mind. They already knew what they were going to do. Biden voters were still going to vote for Biden regardless of his debate performance. You’re seeing them admit that now. Some of them want a change, sure, but they aren’t going all of a sudden not vote for Biden in November. If he’s on the ballot, he’s getting their vote. 

It's not even worth debating with you or a handful of others as you aren't going to change your mind.  But I pretty strongly disagree with all of this and think anyone that thinks this way absolutely has their head in the sand.  

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Um, no, maybe, just maybe, the American public should be turned off by fascism? Nah, blame the democrats, always their fault.

Welp, ok.  Enjoy the fascist dictator.

I don't blame the consumer for failed businesses... I blame the business for putting out a crappy product that people don't want.

In this case, that's both candidates, but the GOP will be more motivated.

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Just now, Longhorn94 said:

if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

You do realize that the people posting here aren't the ones who aren't voting right? There's a significant contingent that needs to vote that are undecided or "checked out". The debate didn't check them in, but come time to vote in November with the choices people will likely just "sit this one out". That's the problem, not that anyone is changing their vote. There's lots of data supporting your position of people not changing their vote etc, it's the people who weren't sure if they were gonna vote or just don't want to vote for either who got further away from turning out. 

Low turnout is going to be a favorable outcome for Donald Trump in key states. 

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1 minute ago, Longhorn94 said:

if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

The great middle doesn't see the existential threat that Trump is. They want lower taxes, cheap prices on the goods they buy, to go to work and raise their kids. They don't pay attention to this at the same level or passion as people on the left and right. 

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4 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

we've said it a few times on here, but everyone here votes, and we all pretty much vote the same.  we're talking about the million folks out of 350 million spread over a dozen states that will decide this thing.

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2 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

Again, this isn't about losing votes to Trump. It's about the people who are going to throw their hands in the air and say, "Fuck it, I'm out."

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7 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The debate wasn’t a turning point. People already knew they were going to vote for a lying sack of shit who is open about being a traitor to America. The debate just confirmed that. Biden could have gone Obama oratory style and it wouldn’t have changed anyone’s mind. They already knew what they were going to do. Biden voters were still going to vote for Biden regardless of his debate performance. You’re seeing them admit that now. Some of them want a change, sure, but they aren’t going all of a sudden not vote for Biden in November. If he’s on the ballot, he’s getting their vote. 

Really bad take from an otherwise good poster.

This theory assumes we live in a binary world with only Democrats and Republicans.  But the truth is that independents determine the outcome of elections in the US.  And we are not enthusiastic about either option, and many might stay home because...truth bomb...Project 2025 and Trump doesn't threaten them.  To be clear, I'm voting Biden (or whoever the Dems nominate), but I live in Texas so it might not matter.

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Welp, ok.  Enjoy the fascist dictator.

I don't blame the consumer for failed businesses... I blame the business for putting out a crappy product that people don't want.

In this case, that's both candidates, but the GOP will be more motivated.

I mean, you do realize how this works, right? 

Newsome: "Too California, what a nightmare"

Whitmire: "Another Hillary, too emotional, should probably smile more"

Buttigieg: "A gay? No wai"

Kamala: "DEI candidate, also prosecuted Black people."

There will always be something that democrats will say "ehrmagerd moderates won't vote for them dooooooooooooom" 

None of them have a 4 year record of success to run on, and a lifetime of moderate positions. Switching now would be a full blown disaster, period. If you or others are ok staying home in November because of a bad debate performance, the fascism is their fault. Again, why is the right not constantly calling for the fascist to step down? Because the game is rigged and 75% of the country's citizens are dumber than dirt.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, immamac said:

This isn't fucking sports you god damned idiot. 

You do take things way too personally, though. Like god damn bro

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

if your take away from the debate was that Biden is too old so you aren't going to vote for him or you are going to sit this one out - SURPRISE - you were never going to vote for BIden. Because that means that you were ok with the guy on the other side who literally lied every single time he opened his mouth. You can say Biden performed poorly but he at least told the truth no matter how slowly. The other guy lied about every goddamn thing and that should disqualify him from getting any vote that isn't a MAGA idiot. So again, if you claim this debate changed your mind, you were always ok with the lying fascist and never supporting the truth telling democrat.

Everyone is telling you the same thing but I'll say it again for all of you that somehow don't get it.   MAGA and R's are going to turn out for Trump.   You now have a lot of people that voted for Biden last time that flat out don't think either one of them have any business being President.   I don't understand how anyone can say with a straight face that Biden is mentally fit to be President another 4 years.   So I'll say it again.  Relying on people to show up and vote for someone that has a very real chance of either dying or becoming completely incapacitated over the next 4 years is not a winning strategy.  The result of that disastrous debate is hundreds of thousands staying home or voting third party.  

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Everyone is telling you the same thing but I'll say it again for all of you that somehow don't get it.   MAGA and R's are going to turn out for Trump.   You now have a lot of people that voted for Biden last time that flat out don't think either one of them have any business being President.   I don't understand how anyone can say with a straight face that Biden is mentally fit to be President another 4 years.   So I'll say it again.  Relying on people to show up and vote for someone that has a very real chance of either dying or becoming completely incapacitated over the next 4 years is not a winning strategy.  The result of that disastrous debate is hundreds of thousands staying home or voting third party.  

So another person who only watches debates and nothing else. Cool.

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So another person who only watches debates and nothing else. Cool.

"Another Person" LOL.    It's truly amazing to me you all can't grasp nobody is talking about the fucking people on this board.   We are talking about public at large.  JFC.

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