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46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm pretty sure a large majority of the public is confident about vaccine science, but here we are.

When the rest fuck around and come down with preventable shit that wipes them or their families out, they might learn, while we foot the bill.

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In the meantime I’m sure insurance will charge us all for shit that used to be covered, because it’s no longer recommended by the cdc. Yay. 

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9 minutes ago, drt said:

In the meantime I’m sure insurance will charge us all for shit that used to be covered, because it’s no longer recommended by the cdc. Yay. 

They’ll be bending over backward trying to get us to get vaccinated because they don’t want the resulting hospital bills.  The bills from hospitalized kids of dumbass parents would get big really fast,

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They’ll be bending over backward trying to get us to get vaccinated because they don’t want the resulting hospital bills.  The bills from hospitalized kids of dumbass parents would get big really fast,

If there is a way for 1) insurance companies to profit more, 2) for them to pay off members of the Regime/family to secure 1), and 3) fuck over the people…that’s the way it will go.
Nothing, not one thing, is happening here with the best intetests of actual people in mind.
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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


If there is a way for 1) insurance companies to profit more, 2) for them to pay off members of the Regime/family to secure 1), and 3) fuck over the people…that’s the way it will go.
Nothing, not one thing, is happening here with the best intetests of actual people in mind.

They won't profit if their dumbass customers are risking their kids ending up in the hospital because they wouldn't get a simple vaccine, or just as bad, the dumbass parents are listening to RFK Jr and giving their kids too much Vitamin A or ivermectin or whatever the fuck the yokels think is not Big Pharma.

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On a serious note, one of the things kicked around during Covid was lower insurance premiums or bills for those that were vaccinated but still got sick enough to require significant care or hospitalization. I could see something like that happening. 

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I’m waiting for insurance companies mandate vaccines and if you’re not vaccinated, you’re not covered. At the same time, they don’t have to cover those vaccines anymore. Win win for them.

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no.  let the unvaxxed die.  if you're not willing to help yourself, why should anyone else?  if you think shoving a gallon of ivermectin up your ass will cure whatever you got, I say go for it.  just don't come crying when it didn't work.

fuck them.  and their kids.  we've been floating the morons for too long.  the Hippocratic oath made sense when a poke from a rusty nail would kill you.  we're beyond that.  if you choose to go backward, fuck you.

this is Darwin's world, and we're just living in it.  

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3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

I’m waiting for insurance companies mandate vaccines and if you’re not vaccinated, you’re not covered. At the same time, they don’t have to cover those vaccines anymore. Win win for them.

Big pharma won't balk?

3 minutes ago, wd40 said:

 

this is Darwin's world, and we're just living in it.  

Darwin is lazy AF.

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On 6/5/2025 at 11:58 AM, troph said:

so here's the deal on COVID vaccine injuries - they are real.  I'll give you the straight dope on the situation...

- COVID vaccine injuries occur at a greater prevalence than other vaccine injuries. unfortunately, the MAHA movement has extrapolated that this means all vaccines are bad. terrible conclusion.

You very clearly have looked into Long Covid much more than I, so no comment from me on that, but do you have research supporting your statement that Covid vaccine injuries occur at a prevalence than other vaccine injuries? And by prevalence do you mean absolute number or rate?

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34 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

You very clearly have looked into Long Covid much more than I, so no comment from me on that, but do you have research supporting your statement that Covid vaccine injuries occur at a prevalence than other vaccine injuries? And by prevalence do you mean absolute number or rate?

From a cardiologist that is a long Covid researcher. It’s still rare and unless you have a risk factor the vaccine is a good idea. Though human immune responses are shifting for the better. For many covid is becoming less of an issue. 

Long Covid clinics don’t recommend or advise against the vaccine for those recovering or recovered from long covid either. Outcomes are all over the map for long covid sufferers, some it helps their condition, some it does nothing (but provide immunity) and some their long covid nosedives back into harsher symptoms.  Not sure if there is a study I can find to support, I’m sure it’s out there. 

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Conflating Malone and kulldorf is pretty wild. ACIP getting a turnover is a good thing. That list is not full roster but like 10% total batshit crazy, 10% marginal, and 80% reasonable takes. So par for rfk to date. 

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On 6/10/2025 at 9:23 AM, troph said:

Long Covid clinics don’t recommend or advise against the vaccine for those recovering or recovered from long covid either.

Under the prior administration you literally had the head of the FDA endorsing unapproved indications for vaccines precisely along these lines. Just crazy unhinged shit on multiple levels. And people wonder why they are dealing with the blow back from total nonsensical public health strategy where we told people that they would lose their jobs if they didn't do things with very limited epidemiological basis reality. Because the lawyers wanted to argue about what OSHA could do instead of just grounding in really basic immunology. ACIP needs a total turnover. You simply didn't pay attention during the pandemic if you think otherwise.   

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https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/06/yep-rfk-jr-appoints-anti-vaccine-advocates-to-cdc-vaccine-panel/

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Yesterday, Kennedy pledged that none of the new ACIP members would be "ideological anti-vaxxers." However, the list of today's appointees includes Robert Malone, who falsely claims to have invented mRNA vaccines and has spent the past several years spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about them.

Speaking at an anti-vaccine rally in 2022, Malone spread dangerous falsehoods about mRNA COVID-19 vaccines: "These genetic vaccines can damage your children. They may damage their brains, their heart, their immune system and their ability to have children in the future. Many of these damages cannot be repaired."

Troubling list

Malone aligned with the anti-vaccine crowd during the pandemic and has become a mainstay in conspiratorial circles and an ally to Kennedy. He has claimed that vaccines cause a "form of AIDS," amid other nonsense. He has also meddled with responses to the measles outbreak that erupted in West Texas in January. In April, Malone was the first to publicize news that a second child had died from the highly infectious and serious infection, but he did so to falsely claim that measles wasn't the cause and spread other dangerous misinformation.

In a newsletter post earlier this week, Malone proclaimed: "Some people still believe that the term anti-vaxxer is a pejorative. I do not—I view it as high praise."

Malone is just one of the eight names released today. Another is Martin Kulldorff, one of the co-authors of the widely criticized Great Barrington Declaration, which called for letting COVID-19 spread largely unabated. Health experts called it "unethical."

Vicky Pebsworth is also on the list, as well as on the board of the National Vaccine Information Center, one of the nation’s oldest anti-vaccine groups that promotes the false claim that vaccines cause autism.

Kennedy also appointed Retsef Levi, who has penned articles alleging dangers of COVID-19 vaccines, including a flawed 2022 article that was later corrected and an unpublished article co-authored with COVID-contrarian and Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.

The other four appointees are Joseph R. Hibbeln, a psychiatrist; Cody Meissner, a pediatrician; James Pagano, an emergency medicine physician; and Michael Ross, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology.

The appointments are likely to increase concern that federal vaccine recommendations will be corrupted and lead to Americans losing access to lifesaving vaccines.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

A little early in the day for Anna Stacy to be binge drinking. Don’t you normally keep vampire hours?

Humorous that folks who think health professionals want to put bad things in our bodies drink so much alcohol. 

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Guys, my current diversified portfolio is only getting like 7% yearly returns. I don't think it is maximizing the value. My uncle that lives in a trailer says to scrap it and move everything into this hot new fund run by Mernie Badoff. What y'all think? 

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Conflating Malone and kulldorf is pretty wild. ACIP getting a turnover is a good thing. That list is not full roster but like 10% total batshit crazy, 10% marginal, and 80% reasonable takes. So par for rfk to date. 

For those posters that require this format for it to land with them, here is Michael Mina saying basically same thing. The roster of the remaining majority should come quickly. ACIP has a meeting on the books for late June. 

 

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Did my semi-annual wellness bloodwork a few weeks back (A1c, triglycerides, etc.). Added MMR antibody tests because they’re cheap and why not.  Add the data point and uses it for a booster decision.

All3 came back very low on antibodies.  My mother has always said she had us vaxxed as children and I believe her.  She isn’t stupid.

So either the vax wore off or I’m one of those lucky people “immune” to the vax.*. Consulted my PCP and he gave me permission to get boosted.  MMR booster scheduled for next week hope I don’t die.  Probably will.  Wish me luck.

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Good luck.

 

Personally, I trust doctors more than politicians (and health insurance companies.) Here’s yet another reason why:

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A document the Department of Health and Human Services sent to lawmakers to support Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s decision to change U.S. policy on COVID vaccines cites scientific studies that are unpublished or under dispute and mischaracterizes others.

One health expert called the document "willful medical disinformation" about the safety of COVID vaccines for children and pregnant women.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/13/nx-s1-5431935/rfk-hhs-covid-vaccine-schedule-faq

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Not sure why “germ theory” is in quotes.

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This idea that, in essence, bad air caused illness was later championed by many others, including Florence Nightingale. It also led to some things that did help fight diseases, like cleaning up sewage.

But then came the germ theory — one of humanity's big eureka moments. Scientists like Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch discovered it wasn't some mysterious stench in the air from rotting garbage that spread diseases. Instead, it was living microscopic entities.

"They discovered what we know as germs – microbes," says Melanie Kiechle, a historian at Virginia Tech. "Bacteria and viruses and other microscopic materials were actually what caused illness and also explained the spread of illness from one person to another. So miasma theory is debunked, essentially."

The discovery of germs led to breakthroughs like antibiotics and vaccines.

This is probably for a discussion with academics as the nuance here is probably quite subtle in part because how erroneous the theory is,  but I am fascinated by the chasm between the pharmaceutical approach to medicine and the natural approach to disease and illness. On the one hand, you have an approach that at best pays lip service to baseline health and its impact on the immune system - almost like to avoid getting sick is just pure luck. This faction ignores the importance of eating a very nutritious diet full of vegetables and fruits, whole grains and avoiding added sugar and animal saturated fats, environmental toxins, and yes even toxic air.  Example just this morning a well respected publisher had an article in my feed that titanium dioxide is in 11,000 foods in the US and is a known cellular oxidizer and is banned in Europe as a food additive. that’s insane. Food quality is so effing important. This camp wouldn’t even consider weight training and racket sports as foundational to immune system wellness or cognitive health. They wouldn’t for a minute tell you the quality of your marriage or the enjoyment of your hobbies- especially the outdoors ones - will be as effective of a defense to illness as anything else. They will admit sheepishly these things matter, but will in the same breath ignore a mass population deficiency in vitamin D while saying if you eat a balance diet (who does that?) then you don’t need supplements. Have you ever tried to plan a diet to hit just the USDA recommended on all your vitamins and minerals on a daily basis? It’s absolutely impossible. And so without a serious focus on your foundational health it’s a simple fact your immune system is functioning less than optimally which then allows the germs to win. But then this faction just ignores all of it.  
 

On the other hand the natural approach faction would tell you diet will cure cancer and that antibiotics impact on the gut biome is far worse than sepsis. And obviously the pin prick from a MMR vaccine is beyond dangerous and that the immune system is perfect and beyond need of assistance if we simply feed it oat straw and milk thistle or whatever the fuck.  That gap is really interesting to me, and the return to this magical thinking is so devastatingly wrong but it’s not without causation and just like thinking the air had some toxic quality that caused illness that led to cleaning up raw sewage my hope is that we can at least use this wild ass dark ages thinking - and the aversion to pharmaceutical interventions to start turning to the foundational aspects of wellness as the first and primary and if your body responds yes the only line of defense needed for the luckiest. but the responsibility to do this right will be on the scientists - the adults in this conversation and the primary communicators of this will be the doctors and the schools that train them.
 

The fact is well before pharmaceuticals, the human body needs optimal (1) nutrition (including supplements), (2) weight training and hand eye coordination athletic type activity (like hunting for our ancestors and racket sports for modern humans), (3) sleep, (5) distressing activities and moments, and (6) quality relationships.  I’d bet less than 3%-5% of the population focuses on these 6 things like their lives depend on it. And make no mistake, our lives DO in fact depend on these six factors more than anything else. And doctors I’ve talked too barely pay lip service to the foundation. 

I guess I’m saying the MAHA movement is kooky as the freak show at the county carnival but it’s not borne from nothing it’s borne from a failure of medicine to pay attention to the most foundational aspects of health. The germ theory is obviously correct but not all immune systems are operating equally. As a society we need to focus on both medical intervention and improving foundational health that has nothing to do with pharmaceutical solutions. 

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The miasma theory was completely put to rest by the cholera epidemic in London in the 1850’s. John Snow showed conclusively with statistical analysis that the cause of the rice water stool was the vibrio in the water from a pump in soho 

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6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

The miasma theory was completely put to rest by the cholera epidemic in London in the 1850’s. John Snow showed conclusively with statistical analysis that the cause of the rice water stool was the vibrio in the water from a pump in soho 

Not to diminish your point because it is absolutely true, but there could be more to the story. I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand, walking through the streets of Soho in the rain. 

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6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Not to diminish your point because it is absolutely true, but there could be more to the story. I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand, walking through the streets of Soho in the rain. 

Good context, because I’m pretty sure Anastasis is an Excitable Boy. 

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15 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

John Snow showed conclusively with statistical analysis that the cause of the rice water stool was the vibrio in the water from a pump in soho 

He knows nothing 

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This is probably for a discussion with academics as the nuance here is probably quite subtle in part because how erroneous the theory is,  but I am fascinated by the chasm between the pharmaceutical approach to medicine and the natural approach to disease and illness. On the one hand, you have an approach that at best pays lip service to baseline health and its impact on the immune system - almost like to avoid getting sick is just pure luck. This faction ignores the importance of eating a very nutritious diet full of vegetables and fruits, whole grains and avoiding added sugar and animal saturated fats, environmental toxins, and yes even toxic air.  Example just this morning a well respected publisher had an article in my feed that titanium dioxide is in 11,000 foods in the US and is a known cellular oxidizer and is banned in Europe as a food additive. that’s insane. Food quality is so effing important. This camp wouldn’t even consider weight training and racket sports as foundational to immune system wellness or cognitive health. They wouldn’t for a minute tell you the quality of your marriage or the enjoyment of your hobbies- especially the outdoors ones - will be as effective of a defense to illness as anything else. They will admit sheepishly these things matter, but will in the same breath ignore a mass population deficiency in vitamin D while saying if you eat a balance diet (who does that?) then you don’t need supplements. Have you ever tried to plan a diet to hit just the USDA recommended on all your vitamins and minerals on a daily basis? It’s absolutely impossible. And so without a serious focus on your foundational health it’s a simple fact your immune system is functioning less than optimally which then allows the germs to win. But then this faction just ignores all of it.  
 
On the other hand the natural approach faction would tell you diet will cure cancer and that antibiotics impact on the gut biome is far worse than sepsis. And obviously the pin prick from a MMR vaccine is beyond dangerous and that the immune system is perfect and beyond need of assistance if we simply feed it oat straw and milk thistle or whatever the fuck.  That gap is really interesting to me, and the return to this magical thinking is so devastatingly wrong but it’s not without causation and just like thinking the air had some toxic quality that caused illness that led to cleaning up raw sewage my hope is that we can at least use this wild ass dark ages thinking - and the aversion to pharmaceutical interventions to start turning to the foundational aspects of wellness as the first and primary and if your body responds yes the only line of defense needed for the luckiest. but the responsibility to do this right will be on the scientists - the adults in this conversation and the primary communicators of this will be the doctors and the schools that train them.
 
The fact is well before pharmaceuticals, the human body needs optimal (1) nutrition (including supplements), (2) weight training and hand eye coordination athletic type activity (like hunting for our ancestors and racket sports for modern humans), (3) sleep, (5) distressing activities and moments, and (6) quality relationships.  I’d bet less than 3%-5% of the population focuses on these 6 things like their lives depend on it. And make no mistake, our lives DO in fact depend on these six factors more than anything else. And doctors I’ve talked too barely pay lip service to the foundation. 
I guess I’m saying the MAHA movement is kooky as the freak show at the county carnival but it’s not borne from nothing it’s borne from a failure of medicine to pay attention to the most foundational aspects of health. The germ theory is obviously correct but not all immune systems are operating equally. As a society we need to focus on both medical intervention and improving foundational health that has nothing to do with pharmaceutical solutions. 

Bottom line: a sane approach to health is “both and,” not “either or.”
Eat well. Breathe clean air. Sleep. All that. Because that puts you body/machine in the best condition…which helps it do many things, including - importantly - resisting and fighting off INFECTION. Avoid and kill germs. Among the ways to do that is making your body a healthier fortress.
The dismissive discussion of things we’ve done in response to learning that germs are a catalyst for many illnesses (eg, vaccines and antibiotics) is fucking insanity. I mean, I stood in a hospital room over a week and watched antibiotics save my child’s life. Millions are alive today because of vaccines. And these fucking assholes would chuck all of that for eating organic granola and drinking water poured over crystals.
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7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Bottom line: a sane approach to health is “both and,” not “either or.”
Eat well. Breathe clean air. Sleep. All that. Because that puts you body/machine in the best condition…which helps it do many things, including - importantly - resisting and fighting off INFECTION. Avoid and kill germs. Among the ways to do that is making your body a healthier fortress.
The dismissive discussion of things we’ve done in response to learning that germs are a catalyst for many illnesses (eg, vaccines and antibiotics) is fucking insanity. I mean, I stood in a hospital room over a week and watched antibiotics save my child’s life. Millions are alive today because of vaccines. And these fucking assholes would chuck all of that for eating organic granola and drinking water poured over crystals.

100% but don't dismiss where some of this is coming from. medicine has done amazing things, and the medical community and the political side of public health (for decades and decades) has been and is also failing us big time. 

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Not to diminish your point because it is absolutely true, but there could be more to the story. I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand, walking through the streets of Soho in the rain. 

How was his hair?

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

He knows nothing 

He knew fuck about shit

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