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It sounds like a completely fucked situation. The GM Nagy didn’t report to Joe C, he reported to Joe C’s successor Randall Stephenson. It sounds like Stephenson nudged Joe C out. 
 

Nagy not reporting to Skeletor should end in disaster, and I’m here for it. 

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54 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Ian Boyd is claiming it’s a coup. I refuse to link the article or quote him because I’m not taking a week off from work to read the entire article. 

Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster. 

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Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster. 

i'm laughing way too hard at this lol

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11 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster. 

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Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. 

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2 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. 

But they got Jim Nagy! All your 2 stars belong to him. 

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10 hours ago, Chili dog said:

Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. 

And it's going to get worse. Fong hinted that we are gaining steam with Kreul.

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10 hours ago, Chili dog said:

Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. 

247 only has 2 of their 15 commits at 4 star. 1 of them is just barely a 4 star. The composite is a little nicer and had them with 8 of 15 as 4 stars, but they're damn near all borderline 3 star.

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Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing.

They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo:

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Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of

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    Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution).

    If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone....

    Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits...

    Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster...

    OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes)
    Zach Latimer
    Jason Carter
    Lawrence Dampeer
    Tommy Grady
    Tony Cade
    Adrian Peterson
    Rhett Bomar
    Marcus Walker
    Brandon Braxton
    Gerald McCoy
    DeMarco Murray
    Mike Reed
    Jermie Calhoun
    RJ Washington
    Stephen Good
    Brandon Williams
    Trey Metoyer
    Joe Mixon
    Caleb Kelly
    Brendan Radley-Hiles
    Jalen Redmond
    Jadon Haselwood
    Spencer Rattler
    Theo Wease
    Trejan Bridges
    Caleb Williams
    Clayton Smith
    Mario Williams
    Jackson Arnold
    PJ Adebawore
    Peyton Bowen
    David Stone
    Michael Fasusi
    Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer)

     

     

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  • NHines57
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    Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars.

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    The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Exactly....

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    Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level...

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    OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    How about your beloved okie state cowboys?
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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    Your a ******** idiot.

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    Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for.
     

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    I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    Per Google and AI :

    Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s...

    another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect...

     

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    The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc

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    Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait…

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    Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I...

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    Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much.

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    College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL!

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    Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts.

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    Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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    All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools.

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    it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway

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    SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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    Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle.
    Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW!
    Y'all need to relax.
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    There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/

     
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    Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot.

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    Don’t be such a t w a t.

    What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting.

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    JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th...

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    It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before.

 

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ...

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ...

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    Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc).
    Now, who's ranking is Nagy using.

    And learn we forget about composite .

    IOW, one man's 7" ≠ another's
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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    And almost no injuries that year.

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    NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams
    For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point.

    This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%.

    Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis
    Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft.

    Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level.

    The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average.

    Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates
    Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster
    Top 10 college teams 35–40%
    Five-star recruits 58% (drafted)
    All D-I FBS players 1.6%

 

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Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing.

They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo:

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Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of

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    Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution).

    If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone....

    Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits...

    Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster...

    OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes)
    Zach Latimer
    Jason Carter
    Lawrence Dampeer
    Tommy Grady
    Tony Cade
    Adrian Peterson
    Rhett Bomar
    Marcus Walker
    Brandon Braxton
    Gerald McCoy
    DeMarco Murray
    Mike Reed
    Jermie Calhoun
    RJ Washington
    Stephen Good
    Brandon Williams
    Trey Metoyer
    Joe Mixon
    Caleb Kelly
    Brendan Radley-Hiles
    Jalen Redmond
    Jadon Haselwood
    Spencer Rattler
    Theo Wease
    Trejan Bridges
    Caleb Williams
    Clayton Smith
    Mario Williams
    Jackson Arnold
    PJ Adebawore
    Peyton Bowen
    David Stone
    Michael Fasusi
    Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer)

     

     

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    Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars.

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    The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Exactly....

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    Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level...

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    OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    How about your beloved okie state cowboys?
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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    Your a ******** idiot.

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    Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for.
     

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    I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    Per Google and AI :

    Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s...

    another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect...

     

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    The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc

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    Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait…

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    Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I...

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    Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much.

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    College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL!

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    Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts.

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    Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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    All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools.

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    it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway

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    SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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    Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle.
    Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW!
    Y'all need to relax.
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    There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/

     
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    Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot.

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    Don’t be such a t w a t.

    What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting.

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    JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th...

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    It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before.

 

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ...

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ...

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    Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc).
    Now, who's ranking is Nagy using.

    And learn we forget about composite .

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    And almost no injuries that year.

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    NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams
    For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point.

    This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%.

    Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis
    Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft.

    Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level.

    The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average.

    Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates
    Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster
    Top 10 college teams 35–40%
    Five-star recruits 58% (drafted)
    All D-I FBS players 1.6%

 

"Guys, there's about to be a lot of layoffs in the recruiting industry. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings." Wow. 

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"Guys, there's about to be a lot of layoffs in the recruiting industry. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings." Wow. 

Might as well have been "Guys, I'm grasping at straws to figure out how we will possibly stay relevant. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings."

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Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing.

They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo:

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Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of

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    Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution).

    If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone....

    Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits...

    Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster...

    OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes)
    Zach Latimer
    Jason Carter
    Lawrence Dampeer
    Tommy Grady
    Tony Cade
    Adrian Peterson
    Rhett Bomar
    Marcus Walker
    Brandon Braxton
    Gerald McCoy
    DeMarco Murray
    Mike Reed
    Jermie Calhoun
    RJ Washington
    Stephen Good
    Brandon Williams
    Trey Metoyer
    Joe Mixon
    Caleb Kelly
    Brendan Radley-Hiles
    Jalen Redmond
    Jadon Haselwood
    Spencer Rattler
    Theo Wease
    Trejan Bridges
    Caleb Williams
    Clayton Smith
    Mario Williams
    Jackson Arnold
    PJ Adebawore
    Peyton Bowen
    David Stone
    Michael Fasusi
    Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer)

     

     

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  • NHines57
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    Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars.

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    The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars.

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    Exactly....

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    Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be.

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    Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level...

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    OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    How about your beloved okie state cowboys?
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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    Your a ******** idiot.

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    Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for.
     

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    I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck.

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    bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ...

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    OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    Per Google and AI :

    Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s...

    another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect...

     

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    The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**.

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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc

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    Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait…

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    Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I...

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    Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much.

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    College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL!

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    Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts.

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    Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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  • JetDoc
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    All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools.

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    it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway

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    SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm

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    Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle.
    Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW!
    Y'all need to relax.
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    There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/

     
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    Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot.

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    Don’t be such a t w a t.

    What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting.

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    JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th...

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    It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before.

 

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ...

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    StuStrings.007 loves bison34

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    StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ...

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    Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc).
    Now, who's ranking is Nagy using.

    And learn we forget about composite .

    IOW, one man's 7" ≠ another's
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    Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet...

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    And almost no injuries that year.

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    NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams
    For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point.

    This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%.

    Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis
    Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft.

    Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level.

    The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average.

    Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates
    Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster
    Top 10 college teams 35–40%
    Five-star recruits 58% (drafted)
    All D-I FBS players 1.6%

 

That thread supports my theory- numeracy is hard for most people. 

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