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14 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

So the article you posted was propaganda?  Why post it?

 

And the ramming video you claim as evidence has a different vehicle than the one the person who was shot was driving - allegedly 

My fault for reading the article you posted instead of just taking your word for it.

ya know, you could just pull the mask off like your peer Chrispy did - it's really a beating to have a founding member of the Rittenhouse fan club constantly lie and derail the topic of ICE going gestapo on people. 

let's try and dumb it down for you:

Yes or no: do you think ICE is going overboard?

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

So a shitload of Texas NG members were stuck in shitty conditions along the border, expected to act as Border Patrol/ICE (while getting paid less and being taken away from jobs, college, family, etc.) and now 400 are going to be in Chicago in the winter, again, getting paid less (and away from family, college, jobs, etc.).

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Going to do wonders for retention and recruitment.

One of our neighbors who is in the NG said if he is forced to go up there, he's going to use it a chance to job hunt and interview and see what the market is offering.  He wasn't joking around. Granted, he's got 20+ years in, had a solid military career, has a solid civilian career (he could work in any large city - and Portland and Chicago fit the bill for him), and his youngest is about to graduate high school. He's made it abundantly clear that he is going to bail on the Texas NG as soon as the right opportunity presents itself (and may even go back to active duty if he can get things to line up with his future plans). He's at Mabry for his NG commitments, so he's probably pretty clued in on what's happening.

I imagine that a lot of members who are not in as good of a position as he is, are even more ready to bail - this shit is fucking with their schooling/civilian careers, all to try and help Abbott get noticed by Trump (won't happen).

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21 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Going to do wonders for retention and recruitment.

One of our neighbors who is in the NG said if he is forced to go up there, he's going to use it a chance to job hunt and interview and see what the market is offering.  He wasn't joking around. Granted, he's got 20+ years in, had a solid military career, has a solid civilian career (he could work in any large city - and Portland and Chicago fit the bill for him), and his youngest is about to graduate high school. He's made it abundantly clear that he is going to bail on the Texas NG as soon as the right opportunity presents itself (and may even go back to active duty if he can get things to line up with his future plans). He's at Mabry for his NG commitments, so he's probably pretty clued in on what's happening.

I imagine that a lot of members who are not in as good of a position as he is, are even more ready to bail - this shit is fucking with their schooling/civilian careers, all to try and help Abbott get noticed by Trump (won't happen).

Your commitment to reading things incorrectly is impressive. 
 

https://www.army.mil/article/288713/national_guard_exceeds_fiscal_year_2025_recruiting_goals

 

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Posted (edited)
40 minutes ago, Chopped said:

Your commitment to reading things incorrectly is impressive. 
https://www.army.mil/article/288713/national_guard_exceeds_fiscal_year_2025_recruiting_goals

Surprise, in times of economic downtown or job instability, military enlistment goes up - always has, always will. So that's not quite the bragging point you think it is, but you also wouldn't be the first to try to use that as a positive. When the economy is steady or growing in a healthy manner, guess what, enlistment drops.

And a shitload of people have joined in recent years because ACASP is giving them a leg up (Trump was not responsible for that, it goes back to Obama and was being expanded under Biden, although the groundwork was laid under Bush). Lot of people who were on the fence are willing to join if they get credit for their civilian work and certifications (i.e. come in at a higher rank/more pay with $5,000 - $20,000 bonuses on top of that).  Toss in a shitty economy and them getting credit for their civilian background, and yeah, enlistment will rise.

But I suggest you talk to people who had to suspend their schooling or decent jobs so that Abbott or other state governors can get Trump's attention, all the while they are mocked by the locals and having their photos plastered all over social media. Publicly, they won't dare say shit for fear of being reprimanded, and the younger ones will say whatever they feel they need to say to not end up on anybody's shitlist.  But when those who have been around are waiting on their kids after school and hanging with other parents, or they are sitting around at their kid's soccer or volleyball practice or camping out and spending a lot of time with other scout parents and shooting the shit, yeah, they have lots to say.

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Surprise, in times of economic downtown or job instability, military enlistment goes up - always has, always will. So that's not quite the bragging point you think it is, but you also wouldn't be the first to try to use that as a positive. When the economy is steady or growing in a healthy manner, guess what, enlistment drops.

And a shitload of people have joined in recent years because ACASP is giving them a leg up (Trump was not responsible for that, it goes back to Obama and was being expanded under Biden, although the groundwork was laid under Bush). Lot of people who were on the fence are willing to join if they get credit for their civilian work and certifications (i.e. come in at a higher rank/more pay with $5,000 - $20,000 bonuses on top of that).  Toss in a shitty economy and them getting credit for their civilian background, and yeah, enlistment will rise.

But I suggest you talk to people who had to suspend their schooling or decent jobs so that Abbott or other state governors can get Trump's attention, all the while they are mocked by the locals and having their photos plastered all over social media. Publicly, they won't dare say shit for fear of being reprimanded, and the younger ones will say whatever they feel they need to say to not end up on anybody's shitlist.  But when those who have been around are waiting on their kids after school and hanging with other parents, or they are sitting around at their kid's soccer or volleyball practice or camping out and spending a lot of time with other scout parents and shooting the shit, yeah, they have lots to say.

 

I’m just going off the numbers man. You can go off your discussions. I’m sure there’s some selection bias there. 
 

Heck, you managed to find a NG that is open to moving to Illinois from here. That’s obviously a politically motivated thing to consider. It makes little sense to do that from a long term financial perspective.  

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1 minute ago, Chopped said:

I’m just going off the numbers man. You can go off your discussions. I’m sure there’s some selection bias there. 

It's literally always been this way for several decades - strong economy, lowered enlistment. Weak/unstable economy, higher enlistment.  And your numbers didn't seem to break out how many were transitioning from active duty.

Toss in rising college costs these days on top of the economy, and that many National Guards will work to cover in-state tuition costs or provide assistance while you are in school and in the National Guard.  You don't have to go serve your enlistment for X amount of time (I think 2 or 4 years active-duty) and then become eligible for the G.I. Bill. Right now, for instance, Texas will pay for up to $10,000 a semester, with no minimum time served - you only need to be in and doing your drills, and you only reimburse them if you fail or drop a class. 

1 minute ago, Chopped said:

Heck, you managed to find a NG that is open to moving to Illinois from here. That’s obviously a politically motivated thing to consider. It makes little sense to do that from a long term financial perspective.  

He can go to pretty much to any large city in the US and find a solid job, and he's absolutely going to look elsewhere, at states that don't yank him around.  His ties to Texas and desire to stay here are falling away as they transition into empty nesters and he starts looking at separation. Give him lemons, he will make lemonade.  But I know plenty of others who were not happy about going to the border.

People sign up because they want to serve their state, because they are transitioning from active duty, because free or cheap college while they are in the NG (rather than after), because they want to serve their nation but NG or Reserves make the most sense given their situation, etc. Not because somebody wants attention from the President, especially when they are asked to do the same job that a better-paid civilian is doing.

Posted (edited)
24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Not because somebody wants attention from the President, especially when they are asked to do the same job that a better-paid civilian is doing.

As you know but reinforcing the point, attention is just a small part of what the WH wants.  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/07/opinion/trump-miller-kirk-aftermath.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r08.Yb1n.KsSCqgASfVIr&smid=url-share

"The quickest way to piss people off is to send soldiers into their neighborhoods especially when there's no reason for them to be there. It's inherently provocative, and Trump and his team understand this. Research by the political scientist Robert Pape shows that the single most powerful predictor of suicide terrorism is the presence of foreign troops on local soil. People hate, hate, hate that. They hate the humiliation, the powerlessness, the feeling of being occupied. Once citizens begin to view their own government's security forces as an occupying army, violence becomes inevitable. Trump's team knows this. In fact, that's the point. They are not trying to restore order; they're trying to trigger the very unrest that would justify further crackdowns. In the end, violence serves their ultimate end: They want to create the illusion of disorder so they can tighten control and stay in power indefinitely."

 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Chopper said:

 

A deportation order is essentially a warrant for your arrest. Does it legally matter if you did great the last 20 years if you have a warrant outstanding?

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Chopped said:

A deportation order is essentially a warrant for your arrest. Does it legally matter if you did great the last 20 years if you have a warrant outstanding?

Based on the evidence I have, Sergio benefits this country far, far more than you.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Chopped said:

A deportation order is essentially a warrant for your arrest. Does it legally matter if you did great the last 20 years if you have a warrant outstanding?

But why do we need to deport the guy?

He's not a criminal.

Biden didn't let him in.

Why do we need to disrupt the status quo of 30 some odd years?

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8 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Based on the evidence I have, Sergio benefits this country far, far more than you.

Wrong. I’ve paid more taxes than he’ll make perhaps in his lifetime. 
 

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But why do we need to deport the guy?

He's not a criminal.

Biden didn't let him in.

Why do we need to disrupt the status quo of 30 some odd years?

He’s on the existing list. They looked at the list and located him. If I have an existing warrant in Denton county they don’t care if my status quo is 30 years of being a nice guy. Doesn’t matter 

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As you know but reinforcing the point, attention is just a small part of what the WH wants.  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/07/opinion/trump-miller-kirk-aftermath.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r08.Yb1n.KsSCqgASfVIr&smid=url-share
"The quickest way to piss people off is to send soldiers into their neighborhoods especially when there's no reason for them to be there. It's inherently provocative, and Trump and his team understand this. Research by the political scientist Robert Pape shows that the single most powerful predictor of suicide terrorism is the presence of foreign troops on local soil. People hate, hate, hate that. They hate the humiliation, the powerlessness, the feeling of being occupied. Once citizens begin to view their own government's security forces as an occupying army, violence becomes inevitable. Trump's team knows this. In fact, that's the point. They are not trying to restore order; they're trying to trigger the very unrest that would justify further crackdowns. In the end, violence serves their ultimate end: They want to create the illusion of disorder so they can tighten control and stay in power indefinitely."
 

And you support that. Because you are anti-American.
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If I go to another other country on the planet and get a deportation order I should expect to be removed at some point.  Why would it be different here? And please answer with facts, not feelings. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Try not to get chopped confused with chopper 

Chopped probably ought to get banned for creating a likelihood of confusion with Chopper, in violation of 15 USC 1025(a) the laws of the State of Texas.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Try not to get chopped confused with chopper 

haha yeah I guess I need to change my avatar but the douchebag will be ratio'd soon enough

Posted
5 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Ahh the old I pay taxes line. A classic.

Hey the main justification I see given for mass immigration is economic.  Guess what I contribute way more economically  than this guy. And I didn’t bring up the comparison someone else said he contributed more than me so, that’s wrong. 

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