Jump to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

Surly Horns

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (â‹®) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.
Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business & Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Advertise... Tailgate Donations

Transfer Cycle 2025-2026 - Eloi! Eloi, lama sabachthani!

Featured Replies

10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Why is Ole Miss in flux?

Kinda went under the radar, but they had this coach named Lane Kiffin last year and he went to LSU.

  • Replies 8.8k
  • Views 958.2k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Most Popular Posts

Posted Images

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

This is a deeply flawed argument. He's just blindly assuming that every position group that brings back its starter is guaranteed to improve, by a lot. By that logic we should have just paid up to keep Wisner, Moore, Livingstone, Stroh, etc. so they could have shiny little green arrows next to their positions as well. Because anyone who stays is guaranteed to improve, right? We also have zero actual evidence that Townsend is going to be an improvement over Endries.

If the coaches were so sure our current guys will all improve they wouldn't be tearing down the WR and OL rooms the way they are now, to the point of moving Baker over to RG.

56 minutes ago, satyanash said:

All this tells me is that Flood won't (or can't) scout very well.

Oregon picked up Isaiah World and Alex Harkey via the portal from Nevada and Texas State last offseason. World and Harkey are now their current starters at LT and RT, and the Ducks are in the CFP semifinals.

17 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Fine, let's review the OL that Flood/Sark have had drafted.

2024 - Christian Jones, OT, drafted in the fifth round. COVID super-senior Flood inherited from Herman.

2025 - Kelvin Banks, OT, drafted in round #1. Five-star, recruited by Flood and lived up to the billing (and then some).

2025 - Cam Williams, OT, drafted in round #6. Three-star, recruited by Flood, very up-and-down season in 2024 and probably bolted earlier than he should have.

2025 - Hayden Connor, OG, drafted in round #6. Another senior Flood inherited from Herman.

Flood has yet to actually develop one of his IOL recruits into an NFL drafted-player and that's a massive fucking problem. DJ Campbell is going to be his first this year, and despite being a consensus five-star blue-chip prospect, he's going to fall to the end of the draft. Flood's record of scouting and developing IOL has been massively disappointing and there's no way around it. He's run off our entire IOL haul from the 2024 class (Cruz and Kibble). He refused to play Neto, a four-star from the 2022 class, and turned the LG spot into an absolute clusterfuck by throwing in a mismash of Stroh (massive bust from the 2023 class) and Brooks (true freshman) before finally having to rely on Hutson and Robertson. Now they're all gone except for Brooks, and we have to desperately hope a very mediocre Robertson returns.

Yes, I want to 'run off' Flood. Any sane fan would. He's mismanaged the IOL to a horrific degree this year, and set the entire position group up for failure long-term.

Dammit Satya, you gave me less than four hours of sunshine before reverting to form.

9 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

This sounds good until the agent Uncle gets to the negotiating table with you.

The market is what the dumbest competitor is willing to pay or what the uncle demands his client gets. There are no set parameters in this sport right now.

I agree that there are no parameters, but you have to stick with what you budget for in order to keep shit from spiraling out of control.

Not saying that is the issue wrt Barnes

nvm

Edited by Mittens

just spitballing here . . . can we not sign some dudes first, paying top dollar, and then try to walk back what we've committed to dudes we don't value as much? Or is that not allowed? The strategy of cutting dudes loose, hoping to sign someone better, seems reckless.

Just now, Park Gothic said:

My take on this general point is less that this is only happening to us and more that it shouldn't be happening to us because we're Texas. We are better than other schools and shouldn't have to deal with the same bullshit. In other words, Texas is exceptional.

I agree completely!

The problem for you, however, is that I'm an idiot.

4 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

The problem is we have to pay money for backups. So we have a known backup and what he can do and just cut him loose. Now we're going to have to pay someone unknown except on tape to play backup for the same price that we were willing to pay our own backup. Backups are spares which other programs are ok loosing. We just cast our dude aside to pick up a spare from another dude.

This shit is just stupid.

Or less. Perhaps a lot less. I know less than nothing so that isn't me making some super-secret statement about anything happening in the real world, but it's not hard to imagine that a large staff of scouts working for a major university actually does have big spreadsheets and databases full of talent observations and at least halfway-decent understandings of what those different pieces cost?

I know smaller schools have this because I've had a very enthusiastic young man working for an AAC's recruiting section open his laptop and show me the mind-boggling amount of HS and CFB scouting report information available to them. I don't recall seeing costs tied to the names within the programs he showed me, but that's trivial information to find for these guys, and he's G5. We're staring at his laptop in the stands at a high school game and I'm throwing names out and he's pulling up stupid amounts of information and showing me flowcharts of target lists, both at the HS and CFB levels.

Maybe at Texas we've got the scene from Moneyball where old codgers have rolls of butcher paper up on walls and Sharpies talking about how good a certain guy looks in uniform on the VHS tape or something, but I doubt it.

If we're telling Bo Barnes to take a paycut, that cannot logically be because we have any doubt at all about replacing him at less than his current cost (ignoring, of course, the vital importance his recruiting ranking had on Surly posters' moods when he signed). Nothing else can make sense. We're too successful to be less functional than some 20-something semi-volunteer at a G5 school.

Might we have those advanced tools and still be very stupid and misread the situation? Well yeah. Furk.

11 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Fine, let's review the OL that Flood/Sark have had drafted.

2024 - Christian Jones, OT, drafted in the fifth round. COVID super-senior Flood inherited from Herman.

2025 - Kelvin Banks, OT, drafted in round #1. Five-star, recruited by Flood and lived up to the billing (and then some).

2025 - Cam Williams, OT, drafted in round #6. Three-star, recruited by Flood, very up-and-down season in 2024 and probably bolted earlier than he should have.

2025 - Hayden Connor, OG, drafted in round #6. Another senior Flood inherited from Herman.

Flood has yet to actually develop one of his IOL recruits into an NFL drafted-player and that's a massive fucking problem. DJ Campbell is going to be his first this year, and despite being a consensus five-star blue-chip prospect, he's going to fall to the end of the draft. Flood's record of scouting and developing IOL has been massively disappointing and there's no way around it. He's run off our entire IOL haul from the 2024 class (Cruz and Kibble). He refused to play Neto, a four-star from the 2022 class, and turned the LG spot into an absolute clusterfuck by throwing in a mismash of Stroh (massive bust from the 2023 class) and Brooks (true freshman) before finally having to rely on Hutson and Robertson. Now they're all gone except for Brooks, and we have to desperately hope a very mediocre Robertson returns.

Yes, I want to 'run off' Flood. Any sane fan would. He's mismanaged the IOL to a horrific degree this year, and set the entire position group up for failure long-term.

Lol, please don't give Herman credit for Christian Jones. I'm pretty sure we can find posts of everyone here bitching about Jones and wishing he would transfer out. Dude improved under Flood drastically to the point that he got himself drafted. Same with Connor, most here wanted him replaced. He improved under Flood and got drafted. Neither player was on anyone's draft boards prior to Flood coaching them. DJ Campbell is about to get drafted, so your narrative about not having IOL drafted is going to be dumb. Then Baker will get drafted, so that will be 2. He hasn't run off the entire OL. We're keeping the talented ones and letting the ones that aren't high level players walk to bring in high level players. Brooks is still here, Chatman is, Cojoe, Coleman brothers are. So guys that mattered are staying. First you bitch that we didn't get transfer last year and just wanted to develop the guys on the roster. Now you are bitching that we are looking for transfer and not retaining the same players we've kept that you initially were bitching about.

The stupidity on this board has reached new fucking levels. I think there are maybe 10 or less posters on this thread with actual fucking brain cells. We were 10-3, beat all our rivals, and barely missed the CFP. We have a fucking talented roster and the coaches are doing what they can to bring in even better players and letting the guys that are eating up dead money walk. Stop complaining. We're going to have a top 5 roster again for likely the 4th fucking year in a row. We're going to be a pre-season top 10 and a heavy favorite to win it all. Let the fucking coaches do their jobs that have landed 5 straight top 5 recruiting classes, record level NFL players drafted, multiple award winners, and have a damn good record against teams not named UGA and Ohio State. They are also doing this in a time where everyone is navigating through portal and agent bullshit. Let the portal window close and lets see what we end up with.

Holy fuck, did all the idiots from OB and 24/7 start posting here?

I guess we will learn in the next ~10 days whether Sark and Harris can manage this complexity on their own effectively, or whether they’ve ended up with a roster of 55 players and a bunch of cripples.

3 minutes ago, Atticus said:

I agree that there are no parameters, but you have to stick with what you budget for in order to keep shit from spiraling out of control.

Not saying that is the issue wrt Barnes

There is no way you accurately budget what takes place during this portal window. You have to make decisions on the fly and overpay certain places.

Based on his recruiting ranking, I presumed Bo Barnes was a player with great promise, but in reality, I haven’t seen him play much at all.

Johnny Nansen and Steve Sarkisian have seen him plenty in practice and have been able to evaluate his game tape. They have communicated his value to Muschamp. If IT’s Charlie Williams has accurate information, and they are actually telling Barnes his offer is a reduction in pay, DESPITE a barren LB room, then perhaps he isn’t the player they expected when they signed him, and we should in turn not see this as a great loss.

I know, trust the corches.

Edited by Vito Andolini

22 minutes ago, satyanash said:

2025 - Kelvin Banks, OT, drafted in round #1. Five-star, recruited by Flood and lived up to the billing (and then some).

2025 - Cam Williams, OT, drafted in round #6. Three-star, recruited by Flood, very up-and-down season in 2024 and probably bolted earlier than he should have.

It should be noted the ONLY reason those guys ended up here was because Cristobal left Oregon for Miami

3 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

just spitballing here . . . can we not sign some dudes first, paying top dollar, and then try to walk back what we've committed to dudes we don't value as much? Or is that not allowed? The strategy of cutting dudes loose, hoping to sign someone better, seems reckless.

I think this is the problem. Roster gets wind of what we are offering up transfers. So the roster players now raise their expectations. It's fine if we are landing our top choices, but that doesn't seem to be the case, at least not on the offensive side of the ball.

So we lose out on our targets and aren't willing to pay to retain what our roster thinks they are worth. We seem to be losing both.

Great position to be in.

Just now, Dbeasy said:

I guess we will learn in the next ~10 days whether Sark and Harris can manage this complexity on their own effectively, or whether they’ve ended up with a roster of 55 players and a bunch of cripples.

I think we will be happy when its all said and done. Im most worried about the OL because Im suspecting the model is broken and now theyre scrambling.

I sure hope Muschamp isn’t counting on converting some of the Safety room to LB. One enjoys baseball too much for that to work.

7 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Lol, please don't give Herman credit for Christian Jones. I'm pretty sure we can find posts of everyone here bitching about Jones and wishing he would transfer out. Dude improved under Flood drastically to the point that he got himself drafted. Same with Connor, most here wanted him replaced. He improved under Flood and got drafted. Neither player was on anyone's draft boards prior to Flood coaching them. DJ Campbell is about to get drafted, so your narrative about not having IOL drafted is going to be dumb. Then Baker will get drafted, so that will be 2. He hasn't run off the entire OL. We're keeping the talented ones and letting the ones that aren't high level players walk to bring in high level players. Brooks is still here, Chatman is, Cojoe, Coleman brothers are. So guys that mattered are staying. First you bitch that we didn't get transfer last year and just wanted to develop the guys on the roster. Now you are bitching that we are looking for transfer and not retaining the same players we've kept that you initially were bitching about.

The stupidity on this board has reached new fucking levels. I think there are maybe 10 or less posters on this thread with actual fucking brain cells. We were 10-3, beat all our rivals, and barely missed the CFP. We have a fucking talented roster and the coaches are doing what they can to bring in even better players and letting the guys that are eating up dead money walk. Stop complaining. We're going to have a top 5 roster again for likely the 4th fucking year in a row. We're going to be a pre-season top 10 and a heavy favorite to win it all. Let the fucking coaches do their jobs that have landed 5 straight top 5 recruiting classes, record level NFL players drafted, multiple award winners, and have a damn good record against teams not named UGA and Ohio State. They are also doing this in a time where everyone is navigating through portal and agent bullshit. Let the portal window close and lets see what we end up with.

Holy fuck, did all the idiots from OB and 24/7 start posting here?

Fewer

Y'all need to settle the fuck down and trust Sark when he rolls out Simmons and Kanu at OL.

  • Popular Post
7 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Lol, please don't give Herman credit for Christian Jones. I'm pretty sure we can find posts of everyone here bitching about Jones and wishing he would transfer out. Dude improved under Flood drastically to the point that he got himself drafted. Same with Connor, most here wanted him replaced. He improved under Flood and got drafted. Neither player was on anyone's draft boards prior to Flood coaching them. DJ Campbell is about to get drafted, so your narrative about not having IOL drafted is going to be dumb. Then Baker will get drafted, so that will be 2. He hasn't run off the entire OL. We're keeping the talented ones and letting the ones that aren't high level players walk to bring in high level players. Brooks is still here, Chatman is, Cojoe, Coleman brothers are. So guys that mattered are staying. First you bitch that we didn't get transfer last year and just wanted to develop the guys on the roster. Now you are bitching that we are looking for transfer and not retaining the same players we've kept that you initially were bitching about.

The stupidity on this board has reached new fucking levels. I think there are maybe 10 or less posters on this thread with actual fucking brain cells. We were 10-3, beat all our rivals, and barely missed the CFP. We have a fucking talented roster and the coaches are doing what they can to bring in even better players and letting the guys that are eating up dead money walk. Stop complaining. We're going to have a top 5 roster again for likely the 4th fucking year in a row. We're going to be a pre-season top 10 and a heavy favorite to win it all. Let the fucking coaches do their jobs that have landed 5 straight top 5 recruiting classes, record level NFL players drafted, multiple award winners, and have a damn good record against teams not named UGA and Ohio State. They are also doing this in a time where everyone is navigating through portal and agent bullshit. Let the portal window close and lets see what we end up with.

Holy fuck, did all the idiots from OB and 24/7 start posting here?

Fewer, right? If this was a test, did I make it to be one of the 10 (or fewer)?

  • Popular Post

Look guys, Sark has said repeatedly that he does not bring up NIL until the very last moment. We're just in the phase where the staff is highlighting how great the culture is at Texas and how every player (except those that hit the portal) has bought in to the vision. So, patience. Once our targets understand how great the culture is, we'll get them at a fine discount.

5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I guess we will learn in the next ~10 days whether Sark and Harris can manage this complexity on their own effectively, or whether they’ve ended up with a roster of 55 players and a bunch of cripples.

Starting to question their grasp on what "market value" is this cycle.

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

There is no way you accurately budget what takes place during this portal window. You have to make decisions on the fly and overpay certain places.

And hard sticking to a budget is how you get fucked.

  • Author
  • Popular Post
7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It should be noted the ONLY reason those guys ended up here was because Cristobal left Oregon for Miami

That is not the only reason, numbnuts.

  • Popular Post
4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

quoting myself to add this from Ross Dellenger:

  • Williams signed a one-year rev-share agreement with UW worth about $4M.

  • The agreement is a Big Ten template document used by all league members and built for situations like this.

  • The agreement (1) prohibits a player from entering the portal once signed (this is why UW is refusing to enter his name into the portal) and (2) prohibits the player’s NIL rights to be used by any other school, though the player can sign outside marketing agreements.

  • Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti, coincidentally in Seattle this week for a memorial service, is heavily involved in the matter, along with other Big Ten officials. The league is standing behind UW’s fervent approach to the contract.

  • Washington officials are expected to communicate later today with Demond Williams’ representatives regarding the situation and next steps.

  • With UW refusing to enter Williams’ name into the portal, he is not permitted to hold conversations with other programs.

  • UW officials suspect that Williams has already held conversations with other programs and the school plans to submit any tampering evidence to the league and NCAA.

  • LSU is believed to be the school most interested in Williams.

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

This is how you swing a big dick. There's no Temu in this shit.

Edited by crash_davis

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

All this tells me is that Flood won't (or can't) scout very well.

Oregon picked up Isaiah World and Alex Harkey via the portal from Nevada and Texas State last offseason. World and Harkey are now their current starters at LT and RT, and the Ducks are in the CFP semifinals.

And IU has a bunch of dudes from JMU and other "lower level" schools that would prison rape our IOL. Flood has reached the 2010 Mac McWhorter recruiting stage.

9 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

Based on his recruiting ranking, I presumed Bo Barnes was a player with great promise, but in reality, I haven’t seen him play much at all.

Johnny Nansen and Steve Sarkisian have seen him plenty in practice and have been able to evaluate his game tape. They have communicated his value to Muschamp. If IT’s Charlie Williams has accurate information, and they are actually telling Branes his offer is a reduction in pay, DESPITE a barren LB room, then perhaps he isn’t the player they expected when they signed him, and we should in turn not see this as a great loss.

I know, trust the corches.

I don't think it's "trust the coaches" so much as, you can't pay top dollar for what he will be in 2 years when you can get guys that are already IT.

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It should be noted the ONLY reason those guys ended up here was because Cristobal left Oregon for Miami

geez you are a broken record. If it was as simple as your puny mind makes it....why didn't they just follow Cristobal to Miami....its not like Miami didn't have NIL? Both of them were potential flips before that meat head thought about changing schools.

3 minutes ago, Teryor said:

image.png

This guy any good?

27 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

This sounds good until the agent Uncle gets to the negotiating table with you.

The market is what the dumbest competitor is willing to pay or what the uncle demands his client gets. There are no set parameters in this sport right now.

So half the P4 teams are the NY Mets?

2 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

This is how you swing a big dick. There's no Temu in this shit.

dumb question - do these sugar daddy billionaires donors get tax breaks on their 'donations' ?

Edited by tx 3 putt

I just went back and watched all the games from our playoff seasons. My main takeaway is that we were lucky to win a lot of those games.

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

That is not the only reason, numbnuts.

So you know with 100% certainty those two were going to flip to Texas if Mario would have stayed at Oregon?

1 minute ago, Ricky Butler said:

I just went back and watched all the games from our playoff seasons. My main takeaway is that we were lucky to win a lot of those games.

your point being? We were lucky to beat A&M, Kansas, Okie state, and USC in 2005?

34 minutes ago, JohnnyTapia said:

Lol this is crazy but not surprising based off how incompetent this staff is when it comes to negotiations

Or it means after a year of having him on campus and seeing him in practice and limited reps in games, they think he's not as good as they thought coming out of HS. When you suck at your job, you get fired.

2 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

I just went back and watched all the games from our playoff seasons. My main takeaway is that we were lucky to win a lot of those games.

Cool

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

Or it means after a year of having him on campus and seeing him in practice and limited reps in games, they think he's not as good as they thought coming out of HS. When you suck at your job, you get fired.

I'm not flooded with confidence that this is true.

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

Or it means after a year of having him on campus and seeing him in practice and limited reps in games, they think he's not as good as they thought coming out of HS. When you suck at your job, you get fired.

If that's the case which I don't think it is, then that means there's an evaluation problem no?

Edited by JohnnyTapia

5 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

I just went back and watched all the games from our playoff seasons. My main takeaway is that we were lucky to win a lot of those games.

When we played against good teams we won a lot of close games just means we were also a good team

18 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Honestly, it certainly seems like the latter. While there are a lot of stupid aspects of the current college football landscape (portal dates, lack of true rule enforcement, etc.), the current landscape should benefit Texas. It does not appear that our personnel department (and certain members of the coaching staff) know how to take advantage of, let alone operate well, in this environment (as of this cycle, at least).

We had the #1 recruiting class last year. I would say they know how to take advantage of it. I mean... it hasn't even been 24 hours that we beat out Ohio State for likely the top portal CB. We're also battling them for the Wisconsin LB that may be the top portal LB.

90 % of the idiots on this board are upset that we couldn't lure in the #1 RB in the country into the portal. The only reason Sprague and the other OL even entered the portal was because Texas was tampering and offered them big money. Michigan matched and they wanted to stay. Other schools have 20 million or more to distribute as well. Half these idiots are complaining that we lost a few OL to Kansas and Baylor. Good fucking riddance. And then we have some intelligent posters here complaining we didn't take a 6 foot 290lb OL from Wyoming. Yeah, no thank you. I've seen how that plays out against SEC DL.

They will go down the list and tamper with multiple good OL until one says yes. 1 week ago, we had no idea about the Michigan duo. We're likely not going to know who plan B and C are until they visit. I'm sure all are talented. With all the said, I'd bet Nick Brooks wins out and takes one of the guard spots for next year so this isn't really going to matter anyways.

18 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

Based on his recruiting ranking, I presumed Bo Barnes was a player with great promise, but in reality, I haven’t seen him play much at all.

Johnny Nansen and Steve Sarkisian have seen him plenty in practice and have been able to evaluate his game tape. They have communicated his value to Muschamp. If IT’s Charlie Williams has accurate information, and they are actually telling Branes his offer is a reduction in pay, DESPITE a barren LB room, then perhaps he isn’t the player they expected when they signed him, and we should in turn not see this as a great loss.

I know, trust the corches.

I think this is the new reality. Recruits get a 1 year deal based on talent and potential. That deal get re-evaluated with more emphasis placed on expected production in year 2. That tends to ruffle some feathers.

2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Or it means after a year of having him on campus and seeing him in practice and limited reps in games, they think he's not as good as they thought coming out of HS. When you suck at your job, you get fired.

So we're going to find a diamond in the rough backup whose coaches thought the same of their player? And we're going to pay that backup the same money that we would've paid the backup we just let go?

Let's just trade one known commodity for an unknown commodity and wish the unknown is a diamond in the rough.

Most likely reactionary to Sullivan being recruited and signed. I would have preferred to keep him. It is very difficult to have good depth in this day and age.

4 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

your point being? We were lucky to beat A&M, Kansas, Okie state, and USC in 2005?

We fucking smoked Kansas in 2005. I think we had 50 (might have just been 40) by halftime.

We beat aggy by 11.

We beat OkSt by 19.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...
Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business & Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Advertise... Tailgate Donations

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.