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So again, is it wrong to all the sudden be optimistic?  Next thing to watch is if we actually do give/sell them some more kickass American weapons.  The hawk Republicans need to talk up the fact selling weapons creates high-end, technical, American manufacturing jobs.  There is a segment of American blue collars who would buy into that.  Enough people to flip Ukrainian support to “yes.”

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12 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

Let's be honest. There is a large segment of the population that will buy into this change of heart simply because they are being told that it is now good to support Ukraine.

I’ll allow it.  We all should.  If we are dispassionate haters of everything Russia, we also keep our dislike of the anti-war crowd in check.  If they’re coming over, if only for awhile, we welcome them.

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8 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I’ll allow it.  We all should.  If we are dispassionate haters of everything Russia, we also keep our dislike of the anti-war crowd in check.  If they’re coming over, if only for awhile, we welcome them.

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Well now that international orders are kaput, we will need the domestic orders to pour in to keep one of the few in-house manufacturing sectors going.  
 

so maybe the right thing to do all along is now becoming the politically expedient thing as well?

Fair to assume a total cost increase for all of these platforms and systems due to tariffs on incoming raw mats and components?

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have mixed feelings on this, obviously it’s super shitty and ahistorical to not recognize that we fought the Japanese and the war didn’t end in May. On the other hand marking May 8 (not May 9)) and saying we were the most important will make the Russian big fucking mad. Especially if we rename it overall Victory Day. 
 

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Meh.  Minor thing to get wrapped around the axle about.  I think those who actually took notice over the years really recognized V-E Day and V-J day separately anyhow.  It's just that he's really an idiot all around who doesn't really give a flying fuck about either, so it's really just his normal uninformed posturing.  Not saying "don't say fuck that guy,"  but this is just a garden variety, sun-rises, sun sets "fuck that guy."  Not like a hollow out the government, undermine the judiciary, throw yourself a Nork style birthday parade "FUCK THAT GUY!"  

*Also, let's not forget that the USSR globbed onto V-J day, not wanting to get left out of the spoils, declaring war on Japan on August 9, 1945.  

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Well now that international orders are kaput, we will need the domestic orders to pour in to keep one of the few in-house manufacturing sectors going.  
 

so maybe the right thing to do all along is now becoming the politically expedient thing as well?

Fair to assume a total cost increase for all of these platforms and systems due to tariffs on incoming raw mats and components?

If I understand tariffs right, the end user is the one who pays the cost.  If the Federal Govrnment is the end user, all they’re doing is paying themselves back.  Tax the import then pay extra for the result.

Yeah foreign buyers it’s different as they will see a higher cost.  But I dunno, our shit’s so good it may not matter.  If you don’t like the price of an F35, go make you OWN stealth fighter. 

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1 minute ago, Parliament said:

If I understand tariffs right, the end user is the one who pays the cost.  If the Federal Govrnment is the end user, all they’re doing is paying themselves back.  Tax the import then pay extra for the result.

Yeah foreign buyers it’s different as they will see a higher cost.  But I dunno, our shit’s so good it may not matter.  If you don’t like the price of an F35, go make you OWN stealth fighter. 

Yeah I hadn’t thought about the end user being the tariff collector in this instance, so it’s moving money from left pocket to right pocket.  Assuming no inefficiencies in doing so. Not sure how likely that is between the MIC and the federal gvt/DOD. 

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28 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Meh.  Minor thing to get wrapped around the axle about.  I think those who actually took notice over the years really recognized V-E Day and V-J day separately anyhow.  It's just that he's really an idiot all around who doesn't really give a flying fuck about either, so it's really just his normal uninformed posturing.  Not saying "don't say fuck that guy,"  but this is just a garden variety, sun-rises, sun sets "fuck that guy."  Not like a hollow out the government, undermine the judiciary, throw yourself a Nork style birthday parade "FUCK THAT GUY!"  

*Also, let's not forget that the USSR globbed onto V-J day, not wanting to get left out of the spoils, declaring war on Japan on August 9, 1945.  

 

 

Yeah, broad strokes is our president says lotsa dumb things. IMO, this one was a reach to tie into this thread which is overall a great thread. Not hating on @956 Worldwide cause most of his posts in here are great, but if we post all stupid shit said by POTUS in this thread that has any Russia connection well... 

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19 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yeah I hadn’t thought about the end user being the tariff collector in this instance, so it’s moving money from left pocket to right pocket.  Assuming no inefficiencies in doing so. Not sure how likely that is between the MIC and the federal gvt/DOD. 

Well there's that...

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40 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yeah I hadn’t thought about the end user being the tariff collector in this instance, so it’s moving money from left pocket to right pocket.  Assuming no inefficiencies in doing so. Not sure how likely that is between the MIC and the federal gvt/DOD. 

Moving money from one pocket to the other is, by definition, an inefficiency.

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4 hours ago, Parliament said:

If I understand tariffs right, the end user is the one who pays the cost.  If the Federal Govrnment is the end user, all they’re doing is paying themselves back.  Tax the import then pay extra for the result.

Yeah foreign buyers it’s different as they will see a higher cost.  But I dunno, our shit’s so good it may not matter.  If you don’t like the price of an F35, go make you OWN stealth fighter. 

Not exactly. Generally, government contracts are usually on a year quote basis for typical day to say items. So if Raytheon quote $100 per drone, they can only charge that amount to the government not matter what their costs are (including tariff increases).

 

Most likely, what the government would do is give a tariff exception to that particular set if imports that are used on the drone. Effectively, our defense industry would be exempt from any tariff increases.

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