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16 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Russian state media is showing American soldiers on their knees for Putin. This was a massive Trump failure and a humiliating day for the United States

Just following the lead of their Commander in Chief who spends plenty of time on his knees for Pooty Poot.

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23 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

That would only happen if the United States fails to support its ally. Which is likely because a bunch of morons support a pedofile for President 

The bigger issue is personnel. Russia is just grinding them down. 

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5 hours ago, B00M said:


Russia will have to collapse, the only question is when.

 

5 hours ago, Parliament said:

This is the way.

 

4 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

More dead Russians. That's the only means to that end that I can foresee.

 

In before 1800

We do gotta remember the Russians are a tough people.  Dumb, but tough.  Whole lot more of them gotta die before something changes.  Not sure we can get that far.

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On 8/4/2025 at 5:30 PM, Gatorubet said:

it also means that any Russian military patrols have to be on the lookout for bands of armed deserters who might light them up in an ambush if they venture into the wrong areas.  

in World War II, American deserters often wound up working for organized crime in the black market, using their weapons to hijack red ball express trucks for arms and ammunition medicine, etc.      

The people back home in World War II never heard about this, because it was not a good look.   I can only assume that they are doing this exact same thing in Russian controlled Ukrainian territories.  i’m pretty sure that brand new Russian soldiers sent to the meat grinder have very little desire to get in fire fights with experienced combat troops who have deserted with their weapons.

And Ost Battalions and (former) Nazi units from Baltic states, who never were really willing, were terrors on both Germans and Russians on the Eastern Front.

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2 hours ago, Parliament said:

 

 

We do gotta remember the Russians are a tough people.  Dumb, but tough.  Whole lot more of them gotta die before something changes.  Not sure we can get that far.

Their economy isn’t as tough as their people. Keep pressuring India and China. Trump is stumbling over something great there with his “secondary tariffs” or whatever he’s calling them. Russia doesn’t produce fucking anything. Stop the oil exports and it all falls apart. 

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2 hours ago, Hitch said:

The bigger issue is personnel. Russia is just grinding them down. 

It’s not an escalation for NATO troops to go into Ukraine. This shouldn’t be an individual country Russia can threaten. We either stop this in Ukraine and step up NATO’s drone game in the process or we stop it in NATO territory after Russia has finally subjugated Europe’s best military in Ukraine. This isn’t a hard decision. 

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53 minutes ago, B00M said:

Their economy isn’t as tough as their people. Keep pressuring India and China. Trump is stumbling over something great there with his “secondary tariffs” or whatever he’s calling them. Russia doesn’t produce fucking anything. Stop the oil exports and it all falls apart. 

Well and then the economy fails and imposes austerity on the Russian people, who will just shrug and swill some more methanol

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

And Ost Battalions and (former) Nazi units from Baltic states, who never were really willing, were terrors on both Germans and Russians on the Eastern Front.

Vlasov’s Army was an interesting one. But all these folks knew one or the other was going to kill them so they got out in front. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

rolling blackouts, etc.

That wasn't even enough to get Texas Republicans voted out of office. 

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9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well and then the economy fails and imposes austerity on the Russian people, who will just shrug and swill some more methanol

And note that generations of selection pressure has made them immune to methanol.  They pretty much put it in their baby bottles.

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Today Rubio ruled out new sanctions on the morning shows, saying that they would upset the potential peace deal.  I’m increasingly convinced that the two presidents are colluding on negotiations charades and that putting off new sanctions is the point. 

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4 hours ago, Deej said:

That wasn't even enough to get Texas Republicans voted out of office. 

There's a saying I came up with 2 years ago - you can't unfuck your daughter's cute 39 year-old 2nd grade teacher, and you can't uninvade Ukraine.

The difference is that one act was witnessed by 3 employees of the San Antonio Zoo, the other was witnessed by the free world and most Russians.  Of course, historically speaking, invading Ukraine has caused problems for dictators in the long run.

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It’s really fucking embarrassing that an official U.S. negotiator would try to tell the American people that he got Putin to consider passing a law making it illegal for Russia to attack Ukraine. It was illegal the first time under Russian and international law! 

 

 

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The date was Feb. 15, 2000, and Republican presidential hopefuls had gathered for a crucial debate in Columbia, S.C.. Among the topics of discussion was Russia and its newly anointed (but not yet formally elected) leader, Vladimir Putin. Many Western politicians were already hailing the energetic official who spoke fluent German and had worked with a reformist mayor in St. Petersburg — and who would offer a welcome change from the erratic Boris Yeltsin years. The Republican frontrunner, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, was diplomatic, noting only that “the verdict on Mr. Putin is out . . . we don’t know enough about him.” (It would take another year for Bush to “get a sense of [Putin’s] soul” and forge a partnership.)

Bush’s main challenger, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, begged to differ. “We know that he was an apparatchik. We know that he was a member of the KGB. We know that he came to power because of the military brutality . . . in Chechnya,” McCain said. “I’m very concerned about Mr. Putin. I’m afraid Mr. Putin might be one of those who wants to make the trains run on time.”

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12 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I’m afraid Mr. Putin might be one of those who wants to make the trains run on time.”

Not the point but contrary to popular belief Benito did not accomplish it. 

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55 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Institute for the Study of War summit wrap-up. Putin's pitch was basically give me everything i want and I pinky promise to not invade again. Trump's running with it as best he can with those cankles and bad ticker. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-16-2025

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This may be a hot and unexpected take from me but it was appropriate in 2000 to take a pragmatic but firm and principled approach to Putin to see what could be accomplished. And in some ways this happened, Putin did attempt to make a half-hearted pivot West and position Russia as a GWOT partner and we did get stuff out of it.  A lot of people forget how key the Russia facilitated Northern Distribution Network was to sustaining operations in Afghanistan all the way through the mid-teens. It was never on the table for him to be a democrat. 
 

What happened is that we fell down on the “pragmatic and firm” part in a lot of ways and Putin cannily exploited us by trying to make everything purely an issue of pragmatism. We also scored some own goals by blundering into foreign adventures where Russia could make itself either helpful or harmful at relatively low cost (Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iraq fallout). But even worse we had a bipartisan series of leaders who allowed him to do what he does everywhere: turn Russia relations into a political issue instead of a national security issue. 
 

Russia and how the United States relates to it have been important campaign issues since 2012, with the GOP and Dems switching sides based on how Putin wanted them to.  And even before that, we had the very stupid and political reset button whipped out by HRC for a photo-op with Lavrov; thus forcing Obama into either an admission of failure or to keep fucking the chicken long past the point of enjoyment.  This was an own goal long after GWB came around to McCain’s view; and then in 2012 you had Obama gleefully pretending like Russia was still a potential partner. 
 

This is all incredibly stupid.  Russia should never be an issue in American elections; Russia is a solved but difficult problem that we keep trying to find different solutions for.  Only Putin wins when Russia takes up this much oxygen in internal political discussions and its truly a grand strategic masterclass that he has put on by keeping a declining and brittle Russia on the front burner. 

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cross-posting this because Fiona Hill makes such a good point about putin giving trump something he can sell to his rubes but that's worthless on the int'l stage

 

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This is a really great lineup for Team Zelenskyy though. Stubb, Rutte, and Meloni are Trump whisperers. 
 

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Not sure I'd wanna get on Ms. Meloni's bad side when she's in the same room as me.

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

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No word on the size of the warhead nor even a hint about the quantity produced or in production.

We only need one if it’s good at hitting a moving armored train.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

Not sure I'd wanna get on Ms. Meloni's bad side when she's in the same room as me.

I think it depends on what happens on her bad side, I bet it's fun.

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

We only need one if it’s good at hitting a moving armored train.

Setting the Kremlin on fire would do wonders for Russian morale. I would be watching Julia Davis’s social media like a hawk foe the official Russian talking heads response.  

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