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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

He’s gonna end up like Kim Jong Un, taking trains between Belarus, North Korea, and China. Maybe some runs into Central Asia and Armenia. 

I think China likes commerce too much.  They don’t need another crazy current state.  They would love to purchase or annex some pieces of Russia though.

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I'd like some of you with more Chinese knowledge than me to weigh in.  Can the west convince China to acknowledge the war crimes and truly isolate Russia? The evidence now seems to be clear.  Would China react?

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11 minutes ago, PhillyD said:

I'd like some of you with more Chinese knowledge than me to weigh in.  Can the west convince China to acknowledge the war crimes and truly isolate Russia? The evidence now seems to be clear.  Would China react?

Hang on, the Chinese that are wiping the Uighur population off the map?  Serious, clark?

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48 minutes ago, PhillyD said:

I'd like some of you with more Chinese knowledge than me to weigh in.  Can the west convince China to acknowledge the war crimes and truly isolate Russia? The evidence now seems to be clear.  Would China react?

The Chinese don’t give a fuck 

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Destroyed MSTA-C racists.

Kolychivka, Yahidne, Ivanivka ... These settlements of Chernihiv region will remember the horrors of war for a long time.

 Currently, the settlements have been liberated from the racist invasion. The territory is being cleared and controlled by the military of the Armed Forces. Humanitarian aid is being brought to the population.

The next equipment of the State Emergency Service in Gostomel, I wonder how they hindered the Russian fascists? Even the wheels were stolen. 1/3

Luhansk Region Police.

Sappers of the Humanitarian Demining Unit of the Interregional Center for Humanitarian Demining and Rapid Response of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine continue to eliminate the consequences of enemy shelling.

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Belarusians in the ranks of the Armed Forces continue to destroy the occupiers.

Probably abandoned T-80BVM and two BTR-82A in the pit.

Kharkiv now, it is reported that there are victims.

Destruction of racists, enjoyable viewing.

In one of the areas, in the area of responsibility of the operational and tactical group "East", the Russian fascist troops suffered heavy losses. 1/2

The pilot of the Russian plane shot down near Izyum catapulted and tried to escape, but the Russian occupier did not succeed.

Pilot

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Tbilisi. While the Georgian authorities are afraid to impose sanctions on Russia, locals have gone to the Ukrainian embassy. Sorrow for Bucha. 🇬🇪🇺🇦

Russia has already destroyed 23,000 km of roads and 273 bridges in Ukraine. At least UAH 874 billion is needed to restore the destroyed infrastructure, Ukravtodor reports.

New Basan, trophy Tiger

Ukrainian defenders seized the occupiers' trophy armored personnel carrier - the Russian crew escaped from it and left several stolen laptops and hryvnia notes inside.

 Locals said the occupiers rummaged through houses, removing blankets and mattresses, canning and curtains.

Kyiv region is littered with abandoned and liquidated Russian equipment.

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Captured BTR-82A Russian looting fascists.

Russian Su-35 shot down today near Izyum

Stugna works. Rashi BTR-82a and T-72 tank were liquidated.

️ In Bucha there was a military unit 51460 from the village of Knyaze-Volkonske, Khabarovsk Krai ... Soon all these murderers, rapists and looters will be known by name.

️ Destroyed houses in the village of Mila, corpses on the road, shot and burned cars, shell casings and shrapnel on the asphalt, destroyed entertainment and hotel complex "Grandma's Garden", broken service stations and gas stations - this is what the Zhytomyr highway looks like today 25-30 kilometers from the capital 1/2

Mariupol, the technique of orcs burned a little.

 

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Something fell on the racists.

Rusnia drowned a KAMAZ truck from Tokmak near Tokmak

Kharkiv region. In some cases, during the retreat, the Nazis fled even barefoot and without ... hats. Suppose it was "hot", our soldiers know how to do it.

Do not go you, Buryats, in the tankers. Better stay at home https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=481646163618487&id=100053193222182 #всрф #потерьнет #RussianUkrainianWar

 

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16 hours ago, Captainant said:

That wasn't GD's team getting 10 wins. It was VY and Colt in spite of him

Who recruited VY, Colt, Simms, Cedric, et al?  You GD haters just love to ignore reality.   10 fucking years of the most prolific offense is not a fluke.   

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Sector of military burials of Yatsevo cemetery ...

^Imagine somebody doing this to Arlington National Cemetery

Trophyna ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"

Small aviation airport near Makarov, Kyiv region. There was an Aeropract club here, I was here before with the editorial office, they were shooting material about the Ak-1-3 helicopter, small aviation fans always gathered here. After the racists, here are the ruins ...

 Photo: Daniil Shvedkov

 

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I don't know, they say that a racist general was killed here. One well-known UAV worked here. Trostyanets.

Destroyed BMD-2 racists.

This finding was made by a group of SSOs of Ukraine together with fighters of the resistance movement.

 During special reconnaissance and search and strike operations in the area of one of the settlements, the Russian SAM "Buk" was found.

 Next to the abandoned anti-aircraft missile system was an ammunition depot.

Buchansky district, Kiev region, battle (recording speeded up by 2 times, the most interesting is closer to the end) https://facebook.com/sergonaumovich/posts/2057242491122109 #RussianUkrainianWar

Podari dug up the shot captive soldier. They said that he had documents. They will dig up tomorrow.

That's not all. I disassemble the seized documents. Let those who survived survive.

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German authorities, what about you? Today a convoy drives through Berlin to support the murderers and sadists who have murdered hundreds of innocent people. Will the contents of your historical memory be completely replaced by cubic meters of Russian gas and oil?

Trophy Russian "Typhoon" and evacuation vehicle "Lens".

 

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Russian info space already has two versions of Bucha. In version one, it’s all fake, no one died, they’re acting and also if anyone did die it was shelling.

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In version 2, neo-Nazi Azov Ukrainians did the up close killing.

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I won’t link to these assholes.  Needless to say this is the best evidence yet the massacre happened and Russia did it.

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33 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Wow, whoever is behind the Darth Putin account....kind of stepped out of character.

 

 

That's totally on character. Darth has always maintained RU denial is confirmation and he/she has a history of getting super salty over RU perpetrated atrocities as well as rubbing the West's nose in their appeasements that lead to this point.

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Seems likely true, but there was that whole “ripping babies from incubators” thing that wound up false in the Kuwait invasion run up.

Given the Soviet State endorsed rape of huge numbers of German women by Russian troops in WWII, I would not doubt it out of hand.

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Total pain in the ass, but I put the entire article through the Google Translation machine. Full copypasta in the spoiler with a little bit about the author added in italics. The article appears in RIA Novosti, a state-owned news agency.

Btw, learned a new word: lustration (purification).

 

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What should Russia do with Ukraine?
Timofey Sergeytsev
Methodologist, philosopher, member of Rossiya Segodnya’s Zinoviev Club, co-founder of the Archive of the Moscow Methodological Club Foundation, research adviser of the Zinoviev International Research and Education Centre at the Department of Global Processes, Moscow State University
Zinovyev Club is a platform for expertise and analysis, created by the Zinovyev Biographical Institute together with the Rossiya Segodnya News Agency.

 

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. Nazi, Bandera Ukraine, the enemy of Russia and the West's tool for the destruction of Russia, we do not need. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical plane.
Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely the majority - has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi regime in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.
Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that the Ukrainian voter voted for the "peace of Poroshenko" and "peace of Zelensky" should not be misleading - the Ukrainians were quite satisfied with the shortest path to peace through the blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was this method of "appeasement" of internal anti-fascists - through total terror - that was used in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol, and other Russian cities. And this quite suited the Ukrainian man in the street. Denazification is a set of measures in relation to the nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals.
The Nazis who took up arms should be destroyed to the maximum on the battlefield. There should be no significant differences between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the so-called national battalions, as well as the territorial defense that joined these two types of military formations. All of them are equally involved in extreme cruelty against the civilian population, equally guilty of the genocide of the Russian people, do not comply with the laws and customs of war. War criminals and active Nazis should be exemplarily and exponentially punished. There must be a total lustration (purification). Any organizations that have associated themselves with the practice of Nazism have been liquidated and banned. However, in addition to the top, a significant part of the masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged Nazi power. The just punishment of this part of the population is possible only as bearing the inevitable hardships of a just war against the Nazi system, waged as carefully and prudently as possible in relation to civilians. Further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship: not only in the political sphere, but also necessarily in the sphere of culture and education. It was through culture and education that a deep mass nazification of the population was prepared and carried out, secured by the promise of dividends from the victory of the Nazi regime over Russia, Nazi propaganda, internal violence and terror, as well as the eight-year war with the people of Donbass who rebelled against Ukrainian Nazism.
Denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which implies (1) his absolute control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, a denazified country cannot be sovereign. The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach with regard to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be disputed by the guilty party subjected to denazification. Russia's recognition of the need to denazify Ukraine means the recognition of the impossibility of the Crimean scenario for Ukraine as a whole. However, this scenario was impossible in 2014 and in the rebellious Donbass. Only eight years of resistance to Nazi violence and terror led to internal cohesion and a conscious unambiguous mass refusal to maintain any unity and connection with Ukraine, which defined itself as a Nazi society.
The terms of denazification can in no way be less than one generation, which must be born, grow up and reach maturity under the conditions of denazification. The nazification of Ukraine continued for more than 30 years, beginning at least in 1989, when Ukrainian nationalism received legal and legitimate forms of political expression and led the movement for "independence" towards Nazism.
The peculiarity of modern nazified Ukraine is in amorphousness and ambivalence, which allow Nazism to be disguised as a desire for "independence" and a "European" (Western, pro-American) path of "development" (in reality - to degradation), to assert that in Ukraine "there is no Nazism , only private individual excesses". After all, there is no main Nazi party, no Fuhrer, no full-fledged racial laws (only their truncated version in the form of repressions against the Russian language). As a result, there is no opposition and resistance to the regime.
However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version" of German Nazism during the first half of the 20th century. On the contrary, since Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (essentially political technology) frameworks and restrictions, it freely unfolds as the fundamental basis of any Nazism - as European and, in its most developed form, American racism. Therefore, denazification cannot be carried out in a compromise, on the basis of a formula like "NATO - no, EU - yes." The collective West itself is the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian Nazism, while the Western Bandera cadres and their "historical memory" are only one of the tools for the Naziification of Ukraine. Ukronazism carries not less, but a greater threat to the world and Russia than German Nazism of the Hitlerite version.
The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime. The people's republics newly created in the space free from Nazism should and will grow from the practice of economic self-government and social security, restoration and modernization of the life support systems of the population.
In fact, their political aspirations cannot be neutral - expiation of guilt before Russia for treating it as an enemy can be realized only by relying on Russia in the processes of restoration, revival and development. No "Marshall Plans" should be allowed for these territories. There can be no "neutrality" in the ideological and practical sense, compatible with denazification. The cadres and organizations that are the instrument of denazification in the newly denazified republics cannot but rely on Russia's direct military and organizational support.
Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Little Russia and New Russia, begun by the Soviet authorities. Being an instrument of the communist superpower, after its fall, artificial ethnocentrism did not remain ownerless. In this official capacity, he passed under the authority of another superpower (the power standing over the states) — the superpower of the West. It must be returned to its natural boundaries and deprived of political functionality.
Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries, Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to "build" one naturally lead to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization. Debanderization by itself will not be enough for denazification - the Bandera element is only a performer and a screen, a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine, therefore the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization.
The Bandera elite must be liquidated, its re-education is impossible. The social "bog", which actively and passively supported it by action and inaction, must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt. Those who did not support the Nazi regime, suffered from it and the war unleashed by him in the Donbass, must be consolidated and organized, must become the pillar of the new government, its vertical and horizontal. Historical experience shows that the tragedies and dramas of wartime benefit peoples who have been tempted and carried away by the role of an enemy of Russia.
Denazification as the goal of a special military operation within the framework of this operation itself is understood as a military victory over the Kiev regime, the liberation of territories from armed supporters of the Nazis, the elimination of implacable Nazis, the capture of war criminals, and the creation of systemic conditions for the subsequent denazification in peacetime.
The latter, in turn, should begin with the organization of local self-government, police and defense bodies, cleansed of Nazi elements, launching on their basis the founding processes of founding a new republican statehood, integrating this statehood into close cooperation with the Russian department for the denazification of Ukraine (newly created or remade, say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), from the adoption under Russian control of the republican regulatory framework (legislation) on denazification, the definition of the boundaries and framework for the direct application of Russian law and Russian jurisdiction in the liberated territory in the field of denazification, the creation of a tribunal for crimes against humanity in the former Ukraine. In this regard, Russia should act as the guardian of the Nuremberg Trials.
All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification, the support of the population is necessary, its transition to the side of Russia after liberation from terror, violence and ideological pressure of the Kiev regime, after the withdrawal from informational isolation. Of course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of hostilities, to be convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they will not be abandoned." It is impossible to foresee in advance exactly in which territories such a mass of the population will constitute a critically needed majority. The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. It will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.
The operation to denazify Ukraine, which began with a military phase, will follow the same logic of stages in peacetime as a military operation. At each of them, it will be necessary to achieve irreversible changes, which will become the results of the corresponding stage. In this case, the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:

  • liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which means any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational, educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;
  • the formation of public self-government bodies and militia (defense and law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;
  • installation of the Russian information space;
  • withdrawal of educational materials and prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;
  • mass investigative actions to establish personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime;
  • lustration (purification), publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime, involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);
  • adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types and forms of the revival of Nazi ideology;
  • the establishment of memorials, memorials, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, perpetuating the memory of the heroes of the struggle against it;
  • the inclusion of a complex of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new people's republics;
  • creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.

Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a purely Russian business. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism, the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, the mechanisms of subjugation to the superpower of the West and the United States.
In order to put the plan of denazification of Ukraine into practice, Russia itself will have to finally part with pro-European and pro-Western illusions, realize itself as the last instance of protecting and preserving those values of historical Europe (the Old World) that deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, losing the fight for himself. This struggle continued throughout the 20th century and was expressed in the world war and the Russian revolution, inextricably linked with each other.
Russia did everything possible to save the West in the 20th century. She implemented the main Western project, an alternative to capitalism, which won the nation-states - a socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism, the monstrous offspring of the crisis of Western civilization. The last act of Russian altruism was the outstretched hand of friendship from Russia, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it selflessly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the people of Ukraine will have to understand as they begin to free themselves from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.

 

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- Units and subdivisions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the RG that committed war crimes in Bucha, Gostomel, Irpin:

 - 64 brigade 35 A of the Eastern Military District,
 - 5th brigade 36 of the Eastern Military District,
 - 331 traffic rules 98 traffic rules,
 - 137 traffic rules 106 traffic rules,
 - 104 and 234 dshp 76 dshd,
 - 14 and 45 obrspn,
 - 63 opon of the Russian Guard,
 - 155 Pacific Fleet.

 

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3 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not just Putin going lone wolf madman.  Although there are good people in Russia I’m sure, as a nation state it is still evil and nihilistic and wholly dismissive of the value of human life and human rights.  So is China.  The world needs to adjust accordingly.  They should not be business partners of free societies.  We need to reorient to Cold War relationships and look to Latin America and other parts of Asia to replace Chinese manufacturing.   Russia needs to be cut off completely.  

And we need to make sure the critical manufacturing is done domestically for national security reasons.  COVID revealing that we rely on China to make like 90% of our medicine, and semiconductors (which already have shortages) all being dependent on Taiwan should have driven that home already, but alas.  Maybe actual World War 2 type atrocities will be a wake up call.

And, frankly, while I don’t think the West should do anything to provoke World War 3, awful regimes like Russia, China and North Korea are going to do what they’re going to do no matter how much you try to accommodate them.  We might as well just start focusing more on doing the right thing.

Yes, all of this will cause economic hardship and will take time.  But it would be manageable if we commit to it in earnest.  What won’t be manageable is when China does something like Russia is doing and we’re completely fucked because we still depend on them for basics.

I used to do this evil China thing until I started asking about the evil America ways.  I'm pretty convinced we are the bad guys.  People were all Slava Ukraine.  Bro what did you think was going to happen.  They were going to die.  It's puppet shit that we don't know.  

 

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