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Why it’s crucial that children should learn philosophy


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I read this article this morning about teaching philosophy to children and thought it would be a good topic to discuss. This is more than teaching critical thinking and logic but introducing children to ideas where they can apply critical thinking. I am sure some will be concerned kids will be introduced to some confusing material but I doubt kids would be learning Schopenhauer.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/why-it-s-crucial-that-children-should-learn-philosophy-1.3733926?mode=amp

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I had a prof UT (not philosophy) say that there was a philosophy exam where the only question was "Why study philosophy?"

Students were filling up pages in bluebooks with all sorts of psychobabble and one guy answered simply "Why not?" and got an A+

No idea of that is true or bullshit but I'll always remember that story...    

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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually this is probably something of a good idea as fewer children get exposed to bigger ideas and questions in Sunday School. They either don't go or start getting indoctrinated with fundy shit. 

This is similar to what I was thinking, there seems to be a vacuum and its being filled with all kinds of silly shit like the red pill movement. Reintroducing the population to Western philosophy would probably benefit our society.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, F250 said:

This is similar to what I was thinking, there seems to be a vacuum and its being filled with all kinds of silly shit like the red pill movement. Reintroducing the population to Western philosophy would probably benefit our society.

 

 

Not sure if I should thank you or curse you for introducing me to the red pill movement. :) I had never heard of it.

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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever,  EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying,  lobbying, to get what they want.  Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:  

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. 

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that! 

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it!  You, and I, are not in the big club

By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you. 

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL.  And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. 

It's called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it.

 

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18 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Lulz, you think children or even college kids are taught critical thinking skills or logic in the US today?!?

That's fucking funny.

No, I don't think critical thinking is taught, I was saying this would be more than just teaching logic it would be actual philosophy accompanied with logic and critical thinking.

 

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A flute without holes is not a flute, and a doughnut without holes is a danish.  

You can prick your finger, but you can't finger your prick.

You can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your fiend's nose.  

Why do we park on a driveway, but drive on a parkway.

Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

Why does sour cream have an expiration date?

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Well.. that's a tad close minded... Very non-critical thinking of you... BRO

You seem like a Nihilist.. which I'm not really a big fan of and seem pretty contrary to your desire to educate children or anyone for that matter.

I'm just xenophobic.

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Nietzhe is long winded, and obtuse, but not pointless.  His main ethical point was, with the demise of religion, it is up to individuals to create their own value systems.  Not than any value system would do.  Most people would not be capable of responsibly handling this task, thus the uber mensch.  I don't see how this has not be shown in retrospect.

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He didn't say why really try.  It went to absurd lengths to urge the necessity.  He simply was a realist in psychology and that most people could not do what he called for.

I'm not sure he is a suitable topic for pre college study, if this is your point.

By the way, are you responsible for the value's you hold, or do you rely on a relgious source?  He simply says it will be one or the other, whereas before that moment, religion was the only source.  This does seem a lesson worth learning.

 

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7 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

I had a prof UT (not philosophy) say that there was a philosophy exam where the only question was "Why study philosophy?"

Students were filling up pages in bluebooks with all sorts of psychobabble and one guy answered simply "Why not?" and got an A+

No idea of that is true or bullshit but I'll always remember that story...    

What chair?

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Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table...

David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day!
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And René Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed

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3 philosophies for happiness:

1. put the lid down on the shitter at home every time.  Nobody rides for free.

2. No use in getting a bowl dirty for ice cream.  The carton is plenty wide open...

3. when making homemade queso, mix some juice from the jar of jalapenos in.  It will taste like the stuff at the ballgames.

 

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