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We binged 4 episdoes of this yesterday. I mean...damn. I don’t know how he’s not in prison. He’s been statutory raping girls for 30 years. 

Kudos to John Legend for appearing in the documentary and calling it like it is. Many many celebs are staying silent 

Thankfully this is happening https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/09/abuse-investigations-r-kelly-documentary

 

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watched the first 4 episodes yesterday and have 2 more to go today hopefully. Ep 3 is when the tape blows up and nobody can pretend they don't know what he's up to after that. Good shit.

Amazing at what people can get away with based solely on their earning potential. I was also amazed that he was meeting young girls AT HIS FUCKING TRIAL for making child porn and how they were shocked when he did the same with them. 

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There were so many WTF moments in that docuseries. 

When he was first getting famous, he would hang out at his former High School picking up 15 year olds? Whaaaaaat? I still don't get how he was not convicted for the child porn charges. Even if the victim would not testify, the aunt clearly was like yeah, that's my niece on the video. The girl who was in the video with her was like yeah, that's her, I went down on her, it's her. Just crazy town. 

And this interview. Fuuuuuck. He doesn't give a fuck. 

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28 minutes ago, RPM said:

Is this show what's causing all the R Kelly backlash this week? Agree the guy is a scumbag, but didn't know what the recent furor was about.

Yes. The 6 part docuseries dropped last week. It is very bad. They have countless victims being like yeah, I had sex with him with I was 17 or 16 or 14. And other detailing his predatory behavoir. There are a couple girls' families still trying to get their daughters back from him. Almost like a cult thing in the way he brainwashes some girls and keeps them with him. 

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16 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

There are a couple girls' families still trying to get their daughters back from him. Almost like a cult thing in the way he brainwashes some girls and keeps them with him. 

can someone elaborate on this?  i haven't seen any of the series and kind of only know that this is blowing up on the news.  does he have chicks locked up in his compound,, or brainwashed, or ...?
 

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1 hour ago, Jack Straw said:

can someone elaborate on this?  i haven't seen any of the series and kind of only know that this is blowing up on the news.  does he have chicks locked up in his compound,, or brainwashed, or ...?
 

It is like any other cult. They are not being held against their will. Police have performed wellness checks and the person will say they are fine. The police can’t do shit. (Unless they are under age). The girls are over the age of 18 now. They have been with him for over 2 years, or 3 years, some around 10 years. 

Most poeple will say, well if they want to be there, 2 consenting adults, who cares. Right? 

You have to see the whole picture. Like the current girl detailed in the documentary. 

She is 16 or 17. She wants to be a singer. She loves R. Kelly (RK). Her parents take her to his concert. RK invites many girls onstage and they all dance together. They all walk offstage together. RK says she could come back to his motel. Teenage girl is awe struck. Plus, she says she wants to be a singer and RK says he can make that happen. (Parents are wondering where their daughter is). RK takes her back to motel. Parents track her down and threaten hotel with police because daughter is underage. Hotel has to open room and get girl to come down. Because Girl is a kid, she is mad they ruin her chance to be famous. Parents tell RK she’s not allowed alone with him. Need a parent there. RK continues to pursue and “help her singing career”. Parents let her go to studio with sister chaperone. Sister gets kicked out. Calls police. Police says girl wants to be there. (She is 18 by this time). They never see their daughter again. 

Mix that with him beating girls, starving them, mind games, etc., and you get girls who are trapped. Also remember these girls are probably not the strongest mentally either. He convinces them that their family doesn’t love them. He is their family, etc. 

Pure predator 

 

 

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He picks girls that are kinda shy that he can isolate and separate from her support system. The family is trying to protect the girls, but all the victim sees is they’re ruining her big shot thanks to the shit he tells them behind closed doors. Next thing. You know, the parents haven’t seen their daughter in 2-3 years and they have no idea where they are or how they’re doing.

And meanwhile, all their orifices are getting hammered by him on the reg and physical and mental abuse to boot.

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This goes on a lot in the entertainment industry. A lot of it is kept under wraps. Elvis was fucking young women left and right. As were many others. Yet many gloss over that. I guess it needs to be put in front of them in this medium to give a shit. Sort of like the Ray Rice ordeal No one cared about that stuff until they saw video of it.

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NYTimes caught up to this

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/arts/surviving-r-kelly-accusations.html

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“He stole my life from me.”
— Lizette Martinez, who says she was controlled and abused by R. Kelly as a teenager

For decades, R. Kelly has enjoyed astronomical fame despite consistent and disturbing claims that he has sexually, mentally and physically abused teenage girls.

Last week, Lifetime aired a six-part documentary series titled “Surviving R. Kelly” to monster ratings. In it, many people who knew him — including numerous women who claimed they were abused by Mr. Kelly as teenagers — gave wrenching accounts of their experiences.

“R. Kelly has been preying on young and vulnerable women — black women mostly — and he has built an ecosystem around his predation,” dream hampton, executive producer of the documentary, told WNYC’s “The Takeaway” this week.

Mr. Kelly, 52, has denied all these allegations from the beginning. But the documentary was enough to prompt investigators in Chicago and Atlanta to look into current claims that Mr. Kelly has established a sort of sex cult, holding girls against their will, in homes in those cities.

While he’s never been found of wrongdoing, the question remains: How could so many have continued to celebrate him and his music, and given him the benefit of the doubt, for so long? Here are five possible reasons.

“Sexual predation as an inconvenience in pop music is so old.”

Ann Powers, a pop music critic who was interviewed for the documentary, spoke about our culture’s collective view that it’s natural for male musicians to woo girls.

The music industry has a long history of adult male musicians mentoring, dating and marrying young girls — and music itself has long paid tribute to underage girls, she said. The Beatles sang: “She was just 17, and you know what I mean.” Elvis Presley met Priscilla when she was 14, and Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin Myra Gale Brown when she was 13, though it devastated his career.

“It’s a situation ripe for men taking advantage of young girls,” Ms. Powers said in the documentary. “Sexual predation as an inconvenience in pop music is so old. It’s been going on for decades, centuries.”

“I didn’t value the accusers’ stories because they were black women.”

When Chance the Rapper said this in the final episode of the documentary, he was speaking to a greater problem: that black girls are not believed when they speak up, and that they experience “adultification” — meaning they are perceived as older and less innocent than white girls, so there tends to be less shock when they are sexualized.

This has been supported by research, most notably in a 2017 studypublished by Georgetown Law which found that adults see black girls as “less in need of protection as white girls of the same age,” according to Rebecca Epstein, one of its authors.

A Times Opinion piece this week brought up the film “NO! The Rape Documentary,” created 20 years ago by the filmmaker Aishah Shahidah Simmons. It was initially rejected by distributors, and in 1998, an executive from HBO told Ms. Simmons: “Let’s face it, very unfortunately, most people don’t care about the rape of black women and girls, and therefore we’re concerned that there won’t be many viewers who will tune in.”

“Playing sex for laughs.”

In an essay this week, my colleague Aisha Harris, a television editor, examined how “two cultural touchstones” helped keep people laughing at Mr. Kelly, thus helping to shape the public’s perception of the accusations.

The first was a 2003 sketch from “Chappelle’s Show” called “(I Wanna) Pee on You,” which parodied a widely distributed sex tape that appeared to show Mr. Kelly urinating on a 14-year-old girl. The second was a 2005 episode of the animated series “The Boondocks” titled “The Trial of R. Kelly,” in which a main character, a boy named Riley, defends Mr. Kelly, saying: “I’ve seen that girl! She ain’t little. I’mlittle.”

Mr. Kelly had no part in those shows, but in 2005 he began to release “Trapped in the Closet,” an episodic, bizarre and often comical operetta. “I think at some point he probably figured out that playing sex for laughs was a way that he could continue to avoid absolute condemnation for what he might have been doing behind the scenes,” Ms. Powers said.

“The black community rallied around him.”

The way that Mr. Kelly managed to stay in the public’s good graces was a remarkable balancing act, but perhaps it was not so surprising given his hero status and the blind adoration of millions of his fans.

Tarana Burke, the founder of the #MeToo movement, who was interviewed for the documentary, said that his songs were the soundtrack to the lives of many black Americans — played at weddings, graduations, birthdays — and people were not ready to give that up. “The black community rallied around him,” Burke said. “They believed he was innocent.”

As Ms. Powers put it: “Nobody wants to give up the music they love,and nobody wants to think badly of the artists they love.”

In 2002, the year he was indicted on charges of child pornography, he performed at the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics — a duality that spoke to the level of his fame.

In the six years that he waited to go to trial, he released albums including “Chocolate Factory,” which included the commercial smash “Ignition (Remix),” and the gospel-influenced “Happy People/U Saved Me.”

“There’s this knee-jerk instinct to protect him.”

Also important, said Jamilah Lemieux, a culture critic interviewed for the documentary, was the idea that attacks on famous black men are part of a larger racist conspiracy to keep them from succeeding — a defense that was used by Bill Cosby and Justice Clarence Thomas, who called the 1991 sexual harassment accusations against him by Anita Hill a “high-tech lynching.”

“When someone like R. Kelly gets in trouble, there’s this knee-jerk instinct to protect him from the system,” Ms. Lemieux said. It feels, she said, like protecting Kelly and his ability to make music and entertain fans meant more than what he did in private with these young black girls.

By the numbers

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That’s how many counts of child pornography R. Kelly was charged with in 2002 for allegedly engaging in and videotaping sexual acts with a 14-year-old girl. He pleaded not guilty. The proceedings dragged on for years, in which time seven of the counts were dropped. The trial started in May 2008. In June, the jury decided that the girl, who did not testify, could not be identified with certainty, and Mr. Kelly was found not guilty on all counts.

 

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Yes. The 6 part docuseries dropped last week. It is very bad. They have countless victims being like yeah, I had sex with him with I was 17 or 16 or 14. And other detailing his predatory behavoir. There are a couple girls' families still trying to get their daughters back from him. Almost like a cult thing in the way he brainwashes some girls and keeps them with him. 

where can i watch this?

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Some other examples. e6dd4417c8fc6fb1332aeb632fec6e31.jpg

This image really creeps me out. Tyga and Kylie is the kind of thing that would've just made me think the guy was a loser back when I was in college. Every last one of the rest of those is just super creepy as fuck.

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39 and 16? fucking gross. somehow that's worse than 51 and 16. the 52 year old is some cheese dick loser who's both having a midlife crisis and overcompensating. but 39? and when you're one of the most rich and famous people in America? just gross dude. what is wrong with you? and i mean knowing what an elitist asshole jerry seinfeld is, what could they possibly talk about?

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12 hours ago, Parliament said:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/11/cops-r-kelly-at-trump-tower-to-check-on-women-allegedly-being-held-hostage/

He’s keeping 2 hostages at the Chicago Trump Tower.

Those two were both detailed in the documentary. Azriel was the girl who was basically kidnapped when the sister chaperone was kicked out of the studio. 

But again, these wellness checks will do nothing because the girls are brainwashed and will says they are there voluntarily. They’re too deep in the matrix. 

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I remember in HS I would be 15 competing with 19-22 year olds for 15 year old pussy. That culture is toxic as fuck & gross. Yeah a child might be almost fully developed sexually in their late teens but mentally they are super impressionable & easily manipulated. Why try to control a child rather then date someone who can stimulate you intellectually? It’s creepy & im glad predatory behavior is being weeded out. 

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/intern-tracy-sampson-claims-r-kelly-sexually-abused-her-as-teen-1177217

 

Following Lifetime's 'Surviving R. Kelly' doc, Tracy Sampson is claiming in a new on-camera interview that she and the disgraced singer had a sexual relationship when she was 16 years old.

Tracy Sampson, a woman who said she interned at Epic Records in 1999, claimed that R. Kelly sexually abused her when she was a teenager.

Sampson opened up about her alleged experience with the disgraced musician in a new on-camera interview with Dateline — which was previewed on Friday's morning's broadcast of the Today show — and is set to air in its entirety tonight on NBC. 

According to Sampson, Kelly forcibly kissed her before coaxing her into a sexual relationship. She said the "Ignition" singer asked her, "Can I kiss you?" Sampson recounted, "And I was like, 'No,'" to which he responded, "'Well, give me a hug.' And then, like, when I gave him a hug he just started kissing me."

Sampson said that she later felt as though she "was in love with him." The now-36-year-old added, "I just didn't know what to do. Like, I didn't know if this was normal. I didn't know if this is how adults acted."

Sampson's interview with Dateline comes after Lifetime aired its six-part docuseries, Surviving R. Kelly, which features Kelly's accusers and industry insiders detailing allegations made against the R&B star, including physical, emotional and sexual abuse against women and underage girls.

Sampson first spoke out about her relationship with Kelly in a Washington Post exposé published in May 2018.

Kelly, 52, has denied all allegations of abuse.

While he was accused of child pornography in the early 2000s after a video circulated that appeared to show him having sex with and urinating on an underage girl, Kelly was acquitted of all charges in 2008.

Sampson told Dateline that she filed a lawsuit against Kelly after she ended their relationship and turned 18. Sampson said that she settled out of court with the artist in 2002 for $250,000.

Kelly's lawyer, Steven Greenberg, told NBC News that while he did not represent Kelly when Sampson said she was abused, he said her account "didn’t happen." Said Greenberg, "There's a few women who are making these allegations for which there's no proof."

Surviving R. Kelly has given rise to the #MuteRKelly campaign, which demands the music industry, including his record label RCA records, stop supporting R. Kelly. A number of artists have spoken out against R. Kelly since, with Lady Gaga, Chance the Rapper and Celine Dion pulling their collaborations with the R&B singer.

Kelly is reportedly facing eviction from his Chicago recording studio over unpaid bills and a woman who participated in the documentary, Faith Rodgers, accused R. Kelly of threats and retaliation over her lawsuit against the singer earlier this week. A man believed to be his former manager also turned himself in on Friday; he is accused of threatening the family of Joycelyn Savage, one of the women who Kelly is allegedly holding against her will.

Prosecutors in New York, Chicago and Atlanta are seeking information about R. Kelly in light of the accusations made in Surviving R. Kelly.

Dateline's Accused: The R. Kelly Story airs tonight at 10 p.m. Watch part of Sampson's interview below.

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bump.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/entertainment/r-kelly-indictment/index.html

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Chicago (CNN)Musician R. Kelly, who has been associated with accusations of abusing young women for more than two decades, has been indicted, two sources with knowledge of the development tell CNN.

Cook County, Illinois, State's Attorney Kim Foxx will announce charges against Kelly at a news conference at 2 p.m. CT (3 p.m. ET), according to a release from her office. CNN is working to obtain the indictment.


A Cook County judge has approved a no-bail arrest warrant for R. Kelly, the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting. The charges handed up in an indictment from a grand jury span from 1998 to 2010.


The minors involved in the case were between 13 and 16, prosecutors allege, according to the Sun-Times.


A grand jury was convened in Cook County earlier this month in connection with new allegations against Kelly, two sources close to the case told CNN.


That came on the heels of attorney Michael Avenatti announcing he had handed over to the State's Attorney's Office a videotape that he said showed Kelly having sex with an underage girl.


Steve Greenberg, an attorney for Kelly, told CNN earlier this month he had not been notified of a grand jury. After being asked about the new tape, he said separately he and his colleagues were unaware of any new information involving Kelly.


CNN has seen the VHS tape that appears to show Kelly having sex with a girl who refers to her body parts as 14 years old.


The newly unearthed footage, which lasts 42 minutes and 45 seconds, is clear and explicit.


What is on the video mirrors some of the alleged acts for which Kelly was arrested in a child pornography case in 2002 when he was 35 and then acquitted six years later.


Kelly has been associated with accusations of abuse, manipulation and inappropriate encounters with girls and young women for more than two decades.


He has been sued by multiple women accusing him of having sex with them when they were underage. He has strongly denied the accusations, and most cases, with the exception of the trial where he was acquitted, have been settled out of court.

gross. but finally, with this fucking guy.

also, edit: of fucking course michael avenatti is involved. because that's the world today.

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