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Pardon my ignorance here and for asking a question that’s been hotly debated nationwide, but can anyone explain why the U.S. is still actively supporting Israel in this war? I understood supporting them immediately after the Oct 7 attacks, but why are we still involved in any capacity other than humanitarian aid?

Regardless of what events led up to this, it currently feels like we are assisting a genocide. The fact that we even have to discuss things like “is this a genocide?” makes me as an American want no active part in this, yet we continue supporting Israel.

I understand that many conservatives and Republicans have taken Israel’s side, yet we also have a Democrat president who is fully on board. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

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20 hours ago, Fastbreak said:


Not to mention, their “god” hasn’t been too kind to them. Hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt, 40 years wandering the desert, killing Gods son, getting kicked off “their” land, the holocaust, etc.

Maybe they should find a better god, there are thousands to pick from and I’m use any of them would have a better ROI.

"killed God's son..."  this misstatement is the historical reason for much of this.  Romans killed Jesus.  It's not really up for debate as far as I am aware.

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

Pardon my ignorance here and for asking a question that’s been hotly debated nationwide, but can anyone explain why the U.S. is still actively supporting Israel in this war? I understood supporting them immediately after the Oct 7 attacks, but why are we still involved in any capacity other than humanitarian aid?

Regardless of what events led up to this, it currently feels like we are assisting a genocide. The fact that we even have to discuss things like “is this a genocide?” makes me as an American want no active part in this, yet we continue supporting Israel.

I understand that many conservatives and Republicans have taken Israel’s side, yet we also have a Democrat president who is fully on board. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

 

While I can see how people can be confused by the word Genocide there are some simple facts standing in the way of your assessment.  

1) The population in Gaza has only grown.  After Israel kills every single person they want to kill, including a 2:1 civiilian casualty rate (even though actual rate is closer to 1.5:1) the population will still be 2-3X what it was in the 1960s.

2) If Israel really wanted to commit genocide - there really would be no debate about it - because it would be effective and it would be over by now.

War is hell.  It's unfortunate that Hamas brought war to Gaza but it's more unfortunate that people can't understand that war is supposed to make you feel like something terrible is happening - because it is.  That doesn't make it genocide.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

Pardon my ignorance here and for asking a question that’s been hotly debated nationwide, but can anyone explain why the U.S. is still actively supporting Israel in this war? I understood supporting them immediately after the Oct 7 attacks, but why are we still involved in any capacity other than humanitarian aid?

Regardless of what events led up to this, it currently feels like we are assisting a genocide. The fact that we even have to discuss things like “is this a genocide?” makes me as an American want no active part in this, yet we continue supporting Israel.

I understand that many conservatives and Republicans have taken Israel’s side, yet we also have a Democrat president who is fully on board. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Go thread the "war" thread in the DT if you want an answer to this. There are still bucketfuls of morons that will support Israel's actions no matter what they do. Also, Biden has never been anything but a staunch supporter of Israel. Despite the many things he's done right in his term, this is one of the things that he objectively sucks real bad at and it's legitimately harming him politically.

35 minutes ago, caliHORNia said:

 

While I can see how people can be confused by the word Genocide there are some simple facts standing in the way of your assessment.  

1) The population in Gaza has only grown.  After Israel kills every single person they want to kill, including a 2:1 civiilian casualty rate (even though actual rate is closer to 1.5:1) the population will still be 2-3X what it was in the 1960s.

2) If Israel really wanted to commit genocide - there really would be no debate about it - because it would be effective and it would be over by now.

War is hell.  It's unfortunate that Hamas brought war to Gaza but it's more unfortunate that people can't understand that war is supposed to make you feel like something terrible is happening - because it is.  That doesn't make it genocide.

This is, at best, a massive load of noodle-brained nonsense (ESPECIALLY point #2), and at worst, direct genocide denial and rationalization. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about, please stop.

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1 hour ago, caliHORNia said:

"killed God's son..."  this misstatement is the historical reason for much of this.  Romans killed Jesus.  It's not really up for debate as far as I am aware.

Oh bullshit. You’re hanging on a technicality. Sure, the Roman occupiers did the actual deed but it was the Jewish leaders who wanted him gone, arrested him, and turned him over to Pilate. When some rabble rouser came along threatening to invert the power structure saying things like “the first shall be last and the last first,” those in power got a little ticked off. The Romans wouldn’t have given a shit if the Jewish leaders hadn’t turned him over. They didn’t have the authority to put him to death so they had the Romans do it.

Go read John 18.

 

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2 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Pardon my ignorance here and for asking a question that’s been hotly debated nationwide, but can anyone explain why the U.S. is still actively supporting Israel in this war? I understood supporting them immediately after the Oct 7 attacks, but why are we still involved in any capacity other than humanitarian aid?

Regardless of what events led up to this, it currently feels like we are assisting a genocide. The fact that we even have to discuss things like “is this a genocide?” makes me as an American want no active part in this, yet we continue supporting Israel.

I understand that many conservatives and Republicans have taken Israel’s side, yet we also have a Democrat president who is fully on board. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

We give aid to Israel all the time even when they’re not at war. 

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4 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Pardon my ignorance here and for asking a question that’s been hotly debated nationwide, but can anyone explain why the U.S. is still actively supporting Israel in this war? I understood supporting them immediately after the Oct 7 attacks, but why are we still involved in any capacity other than humanitarian aid?

Regardless of what events led up to this, it currently feels like we are assisting a genocide. The fact that we even have to discuss things like “is this a genocide?” makes me as an American want no active part in this, yet we continue supporting Israel.

I understand that many conservatives and Republicans have taken Israel’s side, yet we also have a Democrat president who is fully on board. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

If you don't mind listening to a 38-minute-long podcast, Code Switch from NPR had a really excellent piece on this (maybe listen during your commute):

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/29/1197956512/why-white-evangelical-christians-support-israel

 

Several factors from different angles make it easy to see how they have such strong bipartisan support:

  • White evangelical Christians
    • Christian Zionism and apocalyptic beliefs
    • Jews are God's chosen people, and he promised them that land
  • Western guilt & compensation for the Holocaust
  • Lingering Cold War mentality
    • Western-aligned Israel was up against surrounding Soviet-backed Arab states
    • Official designation as a non-NATO Major Ally
  • Plain old Islamophobia, especially following the Global War on Terror
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3 hours ago, caliHORNia said:

 

While I can see how people can be confused by the word Genocide there are some simple facts standing in the way of your assessment.  

1) The population in Gaza has only grown.  After Israel kills every single person they want to kill, including a 2:1 civiilian casualty rate (even though actual rate is closer to 1.5:1) the population will still be 2-3X what it was in the 1960s.

2) If Israel really wanted to commit genocide - there really would be no debate about it - because it would be effective and it would be over by now.

War is hell.  It's unfortunate that Hamas brought war to Gaza but it's more unfortunate that people can't understand that war is supposed to make you feel like something terrible is happening - because it is.  That doesn't make it genocide.

 

 

 

Wow

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2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

and at worst, direct genocide denial and rationalization. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about, please stop.

 

 

History wont remember it as a genocide.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, caliHORNia said:

"killed God's son..."  this misstatement is the historical reason for much of this.  Romans killed Jesus.  It's not really up for debate as far as I am aware.

The real point is since the dawn of humanity, the few have used "God", "God's word", "God talking to only me" to control the many.  This control is economic, physical and monetary.  It's all bullshit, but people have fallen for it over and over and over again.  This control mechanism has been a direct result in most of the horrors, hate and war humanity has suffered. Without this the world would be a much better place  It's not really up for debate as far as I am aware.

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10 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

No. It won’t. Only sensationalist simpletons, or those with an anti-Israel bias will view it as a genocide. The world knew on 10/7 what the response would be. You’ve had 8 months to practice your teeth gnashing tactics. You’re unbearable. 

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12 hours ago, caliHORNia said:

 

While I can see how people can be confused by the word Genocide there are some simple facts standing in the way of your assessment.  

1) The population in Gaza has only grown.  After Israel kills every single person they want to kill, including a 2:1 civiilian casualty rate (even though actual rate is closer to 1.5:1) the population will still be 2-3X what it was in the 1960s.

2) If Israel really wanted to commit genocide - there really would be no debate about it - because it would be effective and it would be over by now.

War is hell.  It's unfortunate that Hamas brought war to Gaza but it's more unfortunate that people can't understand that war is supposed to make you feel like something terrible is happening - because it is.  That doesn't make it genocide.

 

 

 

I have read some dumb shit through the years on this board, but this might take the cake. 

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Rex is the very definition of willful, arrogant ignorance.

You only have to look at the latest order from the International Court of Justice for Israel to immediately halt its offensive in Rafah to see how this is seen and will be seen in the eyes of the world. (Reminder: the ICJ is tasked with determining whether Israel's actions constitute genocide.)

Since Friday's order, the IDF has bombed two refugee camps. 

 

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18 hours ago, caliHORNia said:

 

While I can see how people can be confused by the word Genocide there are some simple facts standing in the way of your assessment.  

1) The population in Gaza has only grown.  After Israel kills every single person they want to kill, including a 2:1 civiilian casualty rate (even though actual rate is closer to 1.5:1) the population will still be 2-3X what it was in the 1960s.

2) If Israel really wanted to commit genocide - there really would be no debate about it - because it would be effective and it would be over by now.

War is hell.  It's unfortunate that Hamas brought war to Gaza but it's more unfortunate that people can't understand that war is supposed to make you feel like something terrible is happening - because it is.  That doesn't make it genocide.

 

 

 

There are more Jewish people in the world now than before the Holocaust, ergo the Holocaust was not genocide. 

- caliHORNia logic

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17 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Go thread the "war" thread in the DT if you want an answer to this. There are still bucketfuls of morons that will support Israel's actions no matter what they do. Also, Biden has never been anything but a staunch supporter of Israel. Despite the many things he's done right in his term, this is one of the things that he objectively sucks real bad at and it's legitimately harming him politically.

This is, at best, a massive load of noodle-brained nonsense (ESPECIALLY point #2), and at worst, direct genocide denial and rationalization. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about, please stop.

If Biden criticizes Israel any more than he has, then Trump becomes president again, because of the first part of your post. It’s not just DT posters, it’s the vast majority in this country that still “staunchly supports Israel.” I honestly have no idea what Biden really thinks about the situation, our electorate won’t let him go any further and still win the election. It’s insanity, but we’re already a nation of idiots any several other fronts.

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32 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

No. You get caught up in the very liberal definition of genocide. Legally, no genocide has occurred and they’re not acting like that. If the roles were reversed, and Palestinians didn’t behave in manners resulting in them living in “open-air prisons”, despite the Palestinians being in power, they unquestionably would commit genocide. 

You’re mistaking terrible collateral damage for genocide, and what’s worse is you know exactly what you’re doing. 

I think you're partially correct, but it doesn't make things much prettier.  I believe that the facts on the ground, coupled with stated intent from members of senior Israeli leadership, demonstrate that what Israel is engaged in is NOT "genocide," as that term is defined by international law.

The problem is, what those things DO demonstrate is that Israel is engaged in the defined war crime of "ethnic cleansing."  

"We're not committing genocide, we're just committing the war crime of ethnic cleansing" is not a good look.

I do find it fascinating that the very same people who (correctly) bristle at Palestinians/their supporters chanting "from the river to the sea" are gleeful about Israel actually taking action to drive out all Palestinians "from the river to the sea."  Teh Netanyahu coalition 1) can't wait until Gaza is wiped clean of all those dirty Palestinians, so they can start settling and building coastal homes, and 2) until the Palestinians in the West Bank are driven out as well, by violent action from Israeli "settlers" and their militias, with full protection of the IDF and police.

"From the river to the sea for me, but not for thee" is likewise not a good look.

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Good lord, I didn’t think anyone could botch near unanimous worldwide sympathy and approval worse than GWB after 9/11. But here we are as Israel goes full on “Hold my beer.” mode.

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I think you're partially correct, but it doesn't make things much prettier.  I believe that the facts on the ground, coupled with stated intent from members of senior Israeli leadership, demonstrate that what Israel is engaged in is NOT "genocide," as that term is defined by international law.

The problem is, what those things DO demonstrate is that Israel is engaged in the defined war crime of "ethnic cleansing."  

"We're not committing genocide, we're just committing the war crime of ethnic cleansing" is not a good look.

I do find it fascinating that the very same people who (correctly) bristle at Palestinians/their supporters chanting "from the river to the sea" are gleeful about Israel actually taking action to drive out all Palestinians "from the river to the sea."  Teh Netanyahu coalition 1) can't wait until Gaza is wiped clean of all those dirty Palestinians, so they can start settling and building coastal homes, and 2) until the Palestinians in the West Bank are driven out as well, by violent action from Israeli "settlers" and their militias, with full protection of the IDF and police.

"From the river to the sea for me, but not for thee" is likewise not a good look.

 

I agree that what they've done to date does not yet constitute genocide, and from what I've read, it might take years of investigation before a formal declaration is announced. That said, if you read the ICJ order, it does hint that the court believes Israel may be dangerously tiptoeing that line and has a tone of them running out of patience.

Given that the order was issued on Friday, coupled with the fact that the IDF continues to bomb refugee encampments along with yesterday's news (war thread) that they expect to continue operations through the end of the year, I think Israel runs the perilous risk of meeting the definition if they continue on this course.

Order from the ICJ:

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5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Strongly disagree with ethnic cleansing part too. 

Does the Netanyahu coalition want all Palestinians out of Gaza or not?  In answering the question, take into account both the actual statements of Israeli leadership and the actions, both military and civilian actions, in furtherance of those goals.

They have made it pretty plain that they want a Gaza that is cleared of all Palestinians.  And then it can be restored to its rightful owners, Israeli jews.  That's, umm, textbook ethnic cleansing.

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Would Israel, regardless of PM, be okay with the presence of Palestinians if they were peaceful?  Don’t say “most Palestinians are”. Please answer these 2 questions - 1) would they be okay with their presence and 2) would they work toward and grant statehood rights to a peaceful Palestine?

No.  As demonstrated quite plainly by the ongoing violent attacks, sanctioned and protected by the Israeli state, in the West Bank.  You know, the place where Hamas isn't the government, and the October 7th attacks were not launched from.

When leadership tells you who they are, believe them.  That's very, very true of Hamas -- they are awful, evil pieces of shit.  The Palestinians in Gaza are led by the worst of the worst.  Unfortunately, it's also true of the Israeli right, which currently governs Israel.  They have made similar pledges of extermination/ethnic cleansing.  The Israeli state is currently led by the worst of the worst.

Excusing that because Hamas is bad is flat-out evil.  Just own it.  

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41 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

 

 

 

Youth voters and Palestinian voters in America: "But I just can't vote for Joe Biden, because he won't join us in "from the river to the sea" chants for Palestine!"

Fucking.  Idiots.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Youth voters and Palestinian voters in America: "But I just can't vote for Joe Biden, because he won't join us in "from the river to the sea" chants for Palestine!"

Fucking.  Idiots.

There is definitely a vocal contingent of the population more concerned with getting Biden to chant "Free Palestine!" than actually freeing Palestine.

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Biden is an old school Zionist and Trump is a Zionist because his base demands it. Some would say there is functionally no difference in these, but they're wrong. Biden at least seems to have been restraining Israel to the best of his ability, Trump would be infinitely worse for the people of Palestine.

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Slovenia becomes the fourth European country to recognize a Palestinian state in the last few weeks.

Slovenia is the latest European country to recognize a Palestinian state. The country’s parliament voted Tuesday in support of the move, following in the recent steps of Spain, Ireland and Norway.

Slovenia’s prime minister has said he sped up efforts to recognize a State of Palestine in reaction to Israel’s expanding invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah. The monthlong offensive has largely cut off the flow of food, medicine and other supplies to Palestinians who are facing widespread hunger.

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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Slovenia becomes the fourth European country to recognize a Palestinian state in the last few weeks.

Slovenia is the latest European country to recognize a Palestinian state. The country’s parliament voted Tuesday in support of the move, following in the recent steps of Spain, Ireland and Norway.

Slovenia’s prime minister has said he sped up efforts to recognize a State of Palestine in reaction to Israel’s expanding invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah. The monthlong offensive has largely cut off the flow of food, medicine and other supplies to Palestinians who are facing widespread hunger.

 

Wonder what Trump and his chain immigration wife will have to say about this shithole country speaking up....

 

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Israel Secretly Targets U.S. Lawmakers With Influence Campaign on Gaza War
Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs ordered the operation, which used fake social media accounts urging U.S. lawmakers to fund Israel’s military, according to officials and documents about the effort.

Israel organized and paid for an influence campaign last year targeting U.S. lawmakers and the American public with pro-Israel messaging, as it aimed to foster support for its actions in the war with Gaza, according to officials involved in the effort and documents related to the operation.

The covert campaign was commissioned by Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, a government body that connects Jews around the world with the State of Israel, four Israeli officials said. The ministry allocated about $2 million to the operation and hired Stoic, a political marketing firm in Tel Aviv, to carry it out, according to the officials and the documents.

The campaign began in October and remains active on the platform X. At its peak, it used hundreds of fake accounts that posed as real Americans on X, Facebook and Instagram to post pro-Israel comments. The accounts focused on U.S. lawmakers, particularly ones who are Black and Democrats, such as Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader from New York, and Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia, with posts urging them to continue funding Israel’s military.

ChatGPT, the artificial intelligence-powered chatbot, was used to generate many of the posts. The campaign also created three fake English-language news sites featuring pro-Israel articles.

The Israeli government’s connection to the influence operation, which The New York Times verified with four current and former members of the Ministry of Diaspora Affairs and documents about the campaign, has not previously been reported. FakeReporter, an Israeli misinformation watchdog, identified the effort in March. Last week, Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, and OpenAI, which makes ChatGPT, said they had also found and disrupted the operation.

The secretive campaign signals the lengths Israel was willing to go to sway American opinion on the war in Gaza. The United States has long been one of Israel’s staunchest allies, with President Biden recently signing a $15 billion military aid package for the country. But the conflict has been unpopular with many Americans, who have called for Mr. Biden to withdraw support for Israel in the face of mounting civilian deaths in Gaza.

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The operation is the first documented case of the Israeli government’s organizing a campaign to influence the U.S. government, social media experts said. While coordinated government-backed campaigns are not uncommon, they are typically difficult to prove. Iran, North Korea, China, Russia and the United States are widely believed to back similar efforts around the world, but often mask their involvement by outsourcing the work to private companies or running them through a third country.

“Israel’s role in this is reckless and probably ineffective,” said Achiya Schatz, the executive director of FakeReporter. That Israel “ran an operation that interferes in U.S. politics is extremely irresponsible.”

Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs denied involvement in the campaign and said it had no connection to Stoic. Stoic didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The campaign didn’t have a widespread impact, Meta and OpenAI said last week. The fake accounts accumulated more than 40,000 followers across X, Facebook and Instagram, FakeReporter found. But many of those followers may have been bots and didn’t generate a large audience, Meta said.

The operation began just weeks into the war in October, according to Israeli officials and the documents on the effort. Dozens of Israeli tech start-ups received emails and WhatsApp messages that month inviting them to join urgent meetings to become “digital soldiers” for Israel during the war, according to messages viewed by The Times. Some of the emails and messages were sent from Israeli government officials, while others came from tech start-ups and incubators.

The first meeting was held in Tel Aviv in mid-October. It appeared to be an informal gathering where Israelis could volunteer their technical skills to help the country’s war effort, three attendees said. Members of several government ministries also took part, they said.

Participants were told that they could be “warriors for Israel” and that “digital campaigns” could be run on behalf of the country, according to recordings of the meetings.

The Ministry of Diaspora Affairs commissioned a campaign aimed at the United States, the Israeli officials said. A budget of about $2 million was set, according to one message viewed by The Times.

Stoic was hired to run the campaign. On its website and on LinkedIn, Stoic says it was founded in 2017 by a team of political and business strategists and calls itself a political marketing and business intelligence firm. Other companies may have been hired to run additional campaigns, one Israeli official said.

Many of the campaign’s fake accounts on X, Instagram and Facebook posed as fictional American students, concerned citizens and local constituents. The accounts shared articles and statistics that backed Israel’s position in the war.

The operation focused on more than a dozen members of Congress, many of whom are Black and Democrats, according to an analysis by FakeReporter.

Representative Ritchie Torres, a Democrat from New York who is outspoken about his pro-Israel views, was targeted in addition to Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Warnock.

Some of the fake accounts responded to posts by Mr. Torres on X by commenting on antisemitism on college campuses and in major U.S. cities. In response to a Dec. 8 post on X by Mr. Torres about fire safety, one fake account replied, “Hamas is perpetrating the conflict,” referring to the Islamist militant group. The post included a hashtag that said Jews were being persecuted.

On Facebook, the fake accounts posted on Mr. Jeffries’s public page by asking if he had seen a report about the United Nations’ employing members of Hamas in Gaza.

Mr. Torres, Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Warnock didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The campaign also created three fake news sites with names like Non-Agenda and UnFold Magazine, which stole and rewrote material from outlets including CNN and The Wall Street Journal to promote Israel’s stance during the war, according to FakeReporter’s analysis. Fake accounts on Reddit then linked to the articles on the so-called news sites to help promote them.

The effort was sloppy. Profile pictures used in some accounts sometimes didn’t match the fictional personas they cultivated, and the language used in posts was stilted.

In at least two instances, accounts with profile photos of Black men posted about being a “middle-aged Jewish woman.” On 118 posts in which the fake accounts shared pro-Israel articles, the same sentence appeared: “I gotta reevaluate my opinions due to this new information.”

Last week, Meta and OpenAI published reports attributing the influence campaign to Stoic. Meta said it had removed 510 Facebook accounts, 11 Facebook pages, 32 Instagram accounts and one Facebook group tied to the operation. OpenAI said Stoic had created fictional personas and biographies meant to stand in for real people on social media services used in Israel, Canada and the United States to post anti-Islamic messages. Many of the posts remain on X.

X didn’t respond to a request for comment.

On its LinkedIn page, Stoic has promoted its ability to run campaigns backed by A.I. “As we look ahead, it’s clear that A.I.’s role in political campaigns is set for a transformative leap, reshaping the way campaigns are strategized, executed and evaluated,” it wrote.

By Friday, Stoic had removed those posts from LinkedIn.

 

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10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The operation is the first documented case of the Israeli government’s organizing a campaign to influence the U.S. government

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The beat goes on.

Israel strike on UN school that left dozens dead used US munitions, CNN analysis finds

By Abeer Salman, Rob Picheta and Allegra Goodwin, CNN

 5 minute read 

Updated 7:56 AM EDT, Thu June 6, 2024

JerusalemCNN — 

Dozens of people were killed by an overnight Israeli airstrike on a United Nations-run school in central Gaza, authorities said, in an attack that CNN analysis found was conducted with a US-made weapon.

The school, run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA), was housing displaced people in the Nuseirat refugee camp at the time of the incident, the Gaza government media office said.

At least 45 people were killed in the strike, a spokesperson from Gaza’s Ministry of Health told CNN. Authorities at the nearby Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital said casualties could rise as victims were still being brought to the hospital on Thursday morning.

The Israeli military confirmed it carried out the airstrike, which it said targeted a Hamas compound operating inside the school. CNN cannot independently verify the claims.

In a statement, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had taken “many measures” to minimize the danger in advance of the strike, including aerial surveillance and the use of “additional precise intelligence.”

A CNN analysis of video from the scene and a review by an explosive weapons expert found that US-made munitions were used in the strike on the school. CNN identified fragments of at least two US-made GBU-39 small diameter bombs (SDB) in video filmed at the scene by a journalist working for CNN.

It marks the second time in two weeks that CNN has been able to verify the use of US-manufactured munitions in deadly Israeli attacks on displaced Palestinians, the first being a deadly IDF strike on a displacement camp in Rafah on May 26.

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15 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

One thing I don't understand about that is why?

He is a centrist/moderate, right? A counterbalance to the hard-liners. But his resignation just made it easier for the hard-liners (aka, the things he is against). So, by resigning without a replacement plan, he makes it worse, right?

 

I think he's just fucking done with it.  Can't be a part of the far right authoritarian nonsense that Bibi has wrought.  Much like the generals and such that abandoned the dotard during his first term.

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16 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Awesome. On a plane to LAX as I type. Just read about how Hamas is betting on civilian deaths.  I wonder if the WSJ is credible as a source. 

Isn't that the same thing Israel is betting on? They're killing a lot of Palestinian civilians in case you haven't been paying attention. They say they're always being really careful but the bodies pile up, neighborhoods are razed, and tens of thousands of people not associated with Hamas face starvation. (We can't call it a famine because the UN lawyers have a specific definition for that. You can see there is famine, but you can't use the word. Just ask the journalists.)

Nothing can redeem the wickedness of Hamas, but they're not hypocrites. 

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We'll attack civilians. That'll show you!

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That should scare everybody into submission.

Fuck the Israeli slaughter campaign in Gaza.

Fuck any shitstain who attacks a Jewish person because they're Jewish.

Not hard to separate the two.

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