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it's interesting to me though not really that surprising that almost everything the right wing has supposedly cared about turns out doesn't really matter to them.  only their hatreds seem to be something you can rely on.

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9 hours ago, yaqdum said:

it's interesting to me though not really that surprising that almost everything the right wing has supposedly cared about turns out doesn't really matter to them.  only their hatreds seem to be something you can rely on.

Most of them also care about amassing individual wealth through corruption.

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But @randpaul said they were going to shrink govt and end wars and not spend hundreds of millions of $$$ on golf outings at Trump properties?

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But @randpaul said they were going to shrink govt and end wars and not spend hundreds of millions of $$$ on golf outings at Trump properties?

Ohmygosh...you’re right...he DID say that! Does this mean...that maybe...possibly....he’s full of shit?

What a worthless bag of cunt crust he is.

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On 3/26/2019 at 12:15 AM, yaqdum said:

it's interesting to me though not really that surprising that almost everything the right wing has supposedly cared about turns out doesn't really matter to them.  only their hatreds seem to be something you can rely on.

Nope--they're hatred is fake too.  Their followers hate but these assclowns only care about getting paid, not where they get it.  Remember when commie sympathizer was an insult? Now, Putin is good but socialism is bad. It's a real conundrum.  

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4 hours ago, Message Board User said:

 

no one on Surly wants to cut any program either. No Democrat candidate has spoken about austerity, no citizen has spoken up about it either in dozens of town halls.  No one on the internet, except yours truly (cut the damn military). 

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8 hours ago, NowThis said:

no one on Surly wants to cut any program either. No Democrat candidate has spoken about austerity, no citizen has spoken up about it either in dozens of town halls.  No one on the internet, except yours truly (cut the damn military). 

I would think this post is sarcasm except for the fact you've shown a tendency to make really terrible posts. So I'm left with the thought that you actually have some sort of hero complex where you think you're the only one around here in favor of any spending cuts whatsoever.

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On 3/26/2019 at 12:15 AM, yaqdum said:

it's interesting to me though not really that surprising that almost everything the right wing has supposedly cared about turns out doesn't really matter to them.  only their hatreds seem to be something you can rely on.

It's so true. Small govt, lower taxes, trickle down, bootstrappin' your way to the top, repeal ACA & replace with better plan, get tough with aspiring nuke countries, land of opportunity.

Full of shit on all counts, but they know they'll get those red votes if they repeat those words over and over.

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8 hours ago, NowThis said:

no one on Surly wants to cut any program either. No Democrat candidate has spoken about austerity, no citizen has spoken up about it either in dozens of town halls.  No one on the internet, except yours truly (cut the damn military). 

Please be joking. 

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12 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

you're the only one around here in favor of any spending cuts whatsoever.

I don't know about around here, but the list of people in DC aggressively advocating for broad and meaningful cuts in overall spending is a pretty short list. I am sure that we can hobble together various factions who want to trim the military, or trim public assistance, or trim some other pet offense to their being, but the broad types of spending cuts necessary to bring our budget in line, not so much. 

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9 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Please be joking. 

show me the money.   I haven't seen anything from anyone around here about specific cuts.  Instead of randomly arguing with me, give me link. 

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15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don't know about around here, but the list of people in DC aggressively advocating for broad and meaningful cuts in overall spending is a pretty short list. I am sure that we can hobble together various factions who want to trim the military, or trim public assistance, or trim some other pet offense to their being, but the broad types of spending cuts necessary to bring our budget in line, not so much. 

Well yes, I mean we all know that once elected nearly all politicians switch to spend money to stay in office mode. I'm only taking issue with his silliness where he's the only guy that wants cuts around here. For crying out loud, he cited the military like he's the only one who is so wise as to realize that the American military budget is bloated.

We are all honored by his presence, apparently.

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13 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Well yes, I mean we all know that once elected nearly all politicians switch to spend money to stay in office mode. I'm only taking issue with his silliness where he's the only guy that wants cuts around here. For crying out loud, he cited the military like he's the only one who is so wise as to realize that the American military budget is bloated.

 We are all honored by his presence, apparently.


Oh yeah, we are on the same page on that.  There have been a large number of posters across the political spectrum here consistently advocating for spending cuts broadly, and cuts to military spending in particular. There is no new ground taken on that position. 

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37 minutes ago, NowThis said:

show me the money.   I haven't seen anything from anyone around here about specific cuts.  Instead of randomly arguing with me, give me link. 

I've been arguing for years that the US shouldn't, under any circumstance, have a military budget that even rivals China's, much less surpass it by a factor of fucking 3. Further, I know I'm not alone in that. It's not random arguing. More likely, you either weren't reading what people like I have said about it, or there's something to what Huck said regarding the hero complex. You cannot seriously believe that you're literally the only one.

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The hawks will be back once they are the minority in both chambers of Congress and will pretend like they’ve always voted that way despite concrete evidence to the contrary 

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1 minute ago, hpslugga said:

I've been arguing for years that the US shouldn't, under any circumstance, have a military budget that even rivals China's, much less surpass it by a factor of fucking 3. Further, I know I'm not alone in that. It's not random arguing. More likely, you either weren't reading what people like I have said about it, or there's something to what Huck said regarding the hero complex. You cannot seriously believe that you're literally the only one.

i have never seen anything like that from you or anyone else. There is no "hero complex", ironic coming from that psychodork.  Anyway, people need to post more about cuts, candidates need to shout about it as a top line item, and all politicians must stop the greedy projects.  Damn, why did Ross Perot have to die? 

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The left has been asking for cuts to the military for as long as I remember. Have I stumbled into some parallel reality?

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1 hour ago, NowThis said:

i have never seen anything like that from you or anyone else. There is no "hero complex", ironic coming from that psychodork.  Anyway, people need to post more about cuts, candidates need to shout about it as a top line item, and all politicians must stop the greedy projects.  Damn, why did Ross Perot have to die? 

The only explanation is you’ve never read any one else’s posts ever. That would actually explain a lot.

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Just now, formermav43 said:

The only explanation is you’ve never read any one else’s posts ever. That would actually explain a lot.

tell me which programs you want to cut and by how many billions if possible. 

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Hold the budget to exactly the same year to year nominal amount till the debt is paid off.  Inflate away but the budget nominal amount stays the same.  Then HoR, Senate, President really have to figure out where those shrinking dollar real values go and where they don't.  

Combine that with cuts to salaries where they have been overdone or where you don't care if some of the people quit.  Sure, morale will suffer.  Just like it does in the private sector when cuts are made.

Nobody will do anything about it though.  Actually I don't see cuts to anything happening now or in the foreseeable future.  

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Appropriate day for this thread bump:

I'm sure all the the geriatric white folks that made up the tea party are rushing to grab their tri-corner hats and take to the streets demanding Trump's resignation.

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GOP playbook:

Spend 8 years of dem presidency calling the president every name in the book for "bankrupting our nation." Spend hours and hours on television explaining why this profligate behavior is destroying the country.

When republican gets elected, throw up hands and say, "well no one really wants to fix the problem and there's not much we can do.  Oh well, if only."

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1 hour ago, Foosters said:

GOP playbook:

Spend 8 years of dem presidency calling the president every name in the book for "bankrupting our nation." Spend hours and hours on television explaining why this profligate behavior is destroying the country.

When republican gets elected, throw up hands and say, "well no one really wants to fix the problem and there's not much we can do.  Oh well, if only."

The GOP deficit hawk scam has been the biggest scam going for 40 years now.

The GOP doesn’t give one shit about the deficit, as evidenced by it exploding first with Reagan, then with Bush, and now with trump.  It’s always been about having a fake principled reason for opposing spending when a democrat is president. That’s it. 

The bush and trump administration are perfect examples of this. At least Reagan could use the excuse of a dem congress, not bush or trump. 

It’s all been a complete lie. Time to start calling a lie a lie. 

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not once did reagan get a budget back from congress that was larger than he proposed.  not. once.

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13 minutes ago, elfenix said:

not once did reagan get a budget back from congress that was larger than he proposed.  not. once.

I don’t doubt that. The republicans though lied about it and said Reagan’s deficits were cause by the dem congress. That lie, never plausible in the first place, completely went away with Bush and Trump. It was always a lie. 

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I have to admit, I assumed if Hummer were to come back as a GM brand; it might be under a Republican lead government...

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lulz. Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility. 

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fiscal responsibility was only ever shorthand for fuck the democrats

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Amen. It was always welfare for corporations and the wealthy and austerity for the 99%. That's the playbook. Fix the Debt was an astroturfing effort. 

Neoliberal economics was always about creating oligarchy (the new Monarchy) through austerity - Repub or Dem. This was to be the triumph of the corporations. Oopsie. 

The whole debt and deficits scaremongering was a scam by a billionaire - Pete Peterson. May his soul rest in hell. 

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Fix_the_Debt

I dare are any of you to read it . . . 

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On 7/16/2019 at 10:30 AM, NowThis said:

i have never seen anything like that from you or anyone else. There is no "hero complex", ironic coming from that psychodork.  Anyway, people need to post more about cuts, candidates need to shout about it as a top line item, and all politicians must stop the greedy projects.  Damn, why did Ross Perot have to die? 

Then you haven't been reading this board.  I think you will see the appetite for broad cuts, and even better, a dearth of sacred cows amongst a big swath of posters here.  Back in the day when we had budget hawks posting on this board, they railed against out of control spending, but what they were really almost always saying was "Someone else should take a government cut so that I can continue to feed at the government trough."  It's why they always got really quiet whenever Republicans had the government.

This has been an ongoing discussion on this board, and the previous one, and the one before that.  Many of us have changed parties since then, but most of us haven't materially changed our stripes.

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It’s dead until a Democrat takes his or hand off the Bible at inauguration. That’s the way it’s been since Reagan. 
 

in this case, the GOP will spend like sailors on Fleet Week right up until Joe Biden proposes his first budget. 

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It’s dead until a Democrat takes his or hand off the Bible at inauguration. That’s the way it’s been since Reagan. 
 
in this case, the GOP will spend like sailors on Fleet Week right up until Joe Biden proposes his first budget. 
Yep. I guarantee you Biden's first budget (I'm not convinced he'll be president) would be more fiscally responsible than anything out of the GOP since Bush I tried to clean up Reagan's mess. They'll still howl and moan. And suburban whites will go along with it.

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2 hours ago, gmr548 said:
13 hours ago, Bateshorn said:
It’s dead until a Democrat takes his or hand off the Bible at inauguration. That’s the way it’s been since Reagan. 
 
in this case, the GOP will spend like sailors on Fleet Week right up until Joe Biden proposes his first budget. 

Yep. I guarantee you Biden's first budget (I'm not convinced he'll be president) would be more fiscally responsible than anything out of the GOP since Bush I tried to clean up Reagan's mess. They'll still howl and moan. And suburban whites will go along with it.

there are still lots of people that think "fiscal responsibility" means don't spend money and/or don't deficit spend.  neither of which are particularly responsible positions. 

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