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15 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Lol man every time I watch that my jaw is basically on the floor. It's wild.

  • Ball doesn't even go 10 yards
  • Very obviously touched by Oregon player first
  • Oklahoma player recovers the ball and walks away while everyone else is piled up
  • Officials rule Oregon ball even though no one in the pile actually has the ball
  • Replay inexplicably holds everything up even though it's all clear as day on the screen, even in this shitty quality video you can see it all

I would call this cheating 100 times out of 100.

Still funny that it happened to Bob Stoops.

I kept looking at it and yeah, and was waiting on the idiot announcers to mention that. They didn't. I kind of remember that.

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Just now, PittsburghTiger said:

I kept looking at it and yeah, and was waiting on the idiot announcers to mention that. They didn't. I kind of remember that.

Yep lol #23 clearly picks the ball up behind the pile and walks off while other OU players point at him trying to get the refs attention. So bizarre. They did mention OU having the ball once but I don't think they ever pointed it out again after that.

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not gonna lie, from the outside, this is the weirdest UT fan obsession.

It makes complete sense that a Texas Tech fan would feel that way.

 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Overall I’m not concerned with sec crews except for the Gomer Pyle crew. Big 12 has 3-4 really bad crews 

There have been many horrific calls by SEC crews over the years, it's just a matter of time for y'all.

It's almost like refs everywhere suck shit.

Just now, utee94 said:

Texas holds plenty.  And gets called for it plenty.

Ok, great. The point is you're literally the only fanbase in America that obsesses over it. It's weird. Aggy level weird.

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Tech fans including Fantana are well aware how absurd the officiating was in 2008 (not just that game) with holding going uncalled but they're not going to admit it in enemy territory. 

Just let them have their most glorious game victory that led them to winning exactly nothing of importance. 

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Just now, Huckleberry said:

Tech fans including Fantana are well aware how absurd the officiating was in 2008 (not just that game) with holding going uncalled but they're not going to admit it in enemy territory. 

Just let them have their most glorious game victory that led them to winning exactly nothing of importance. 

I'm fully aware of the non-call vis-a-vis Orakpo and it was bad. I'm not aware of some systemic conspiracy to hold Texas players and get away with it across the board in 2008 or otherwise. Do you guys know how insane you sound?

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26 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not gonna lie, from the outside, this is the weirdest UT fan obsession.

But I don't have 10k posts on any other school's message board....

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I thought we quit having to pretend the B12 administration was neutral toward Texas when the commissioner was recorded publicly cheering against us. For Tech, btw. I am sure our Tech visitor can provide plenty of other examples of other conference officials expressing a desire in favor of one of their member schools losing a game prior to officials in his employ officiating said game. B12 refs were and are bad, maybe not the worst. Their calls are marked by incompetence, unconscious bias, and deliberate favoritism, depending on the ones at issue. And often their calls are correct. Blind squirrels and nuts.

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56 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

 

Reading is important, but reading comprehension is critical.

 

Unfortunately, both of these classes are only offered at the graduate level at tech.  

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1 hour ago, utee94 said:

It makes complete sense that a Texas Tech fan would feel that way.

 

What was bad is they made one holding call that game.  A horrible call on Ulatoski because the pass rusher fell down.  It negated a big gain.  And next play was a pick six that likely does not happen but for the holding call.  They held Orakpo and Kindle all night as bad as I have ever seen.  Like wrapping arms around necks.  It was ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

The Big 12 didn't call holding in 2008 on anyone against anyone (hyperbole of course but the called holding rate was absurdly low compared to other conferences).

I honestly wasn't aware of this, was there anything written about it?

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3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

What was bad is they made one holding call that game.  A horrible call on Ulatoski because the pass rusher fell down.  It negated a big gain.  And next play was a pick six that likely does not happen but for the holding call.  They held Orakpo and Kindle all night as bad as I have ever seen.  Like wrapping arms around necks.  It was ridiculous.

They held Orakpo so egregiously and so often they ended up injuring him.  It was unconscionable.

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3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

They held Orakpo so egregiously and so often they ended up injuring him.  It was unconscionable.

That goofball that dressed up and painted his face like a WWE wrestler was one of the worst offenders.

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From what I recall, TTU was often pretty heavily penalized prior to that game and magically cleaned it up for that one game.  Then in their bowl game, the face painted pussy got dominated by Ole Miss when they weren't allowed to hold.   @Brian Fantana  When the conference stood by their Okie State officiating it was apparent that this was systemic.   They didn't even try to hide the bias in the last 2 years while Texas and OU were there.  

Even incompetence can be looked past to some degree, but there is a problem when a teams strength is negated by officiating discretion.   For better recruiting teams, this effect is more keenly observed.  

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4 minutes ago, Nivek said:

From what I recall, TTU was often pretty heavily penalized prior to that game and magically cleaned it up for that one game.  Then in their bowl game, the face painted pussy got dominated by Ole Miss when they weren't allowed to hold.   @Brian Fantana  When the conference stood by their Okie State officiating it was apparent that this was systemic.   They didn't even try to hide the bias in the last 2 years while Texas and OU were there.  

Even incompetence can be looked past to some degree, but there is a problem when a teams strength is negated by officiating discretion.   For better recruiting teams, this effect is more keenly observed.  

I get that the Okie State incident was completely egregious but it's hardly the first or the last time the Big 12 (or any other) conference has publicly "stood by" their godawful officiating. It happens nearly every time there is a situation like this, even if those officials are later suspended or whatever. Nobody ever wants to publicly admit to incompetence.

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6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Overall I’m not concerned with sec crews except for the Gomer Pyle crew. Big 12 has 3-4 really bad crews 

and about a dozen really bad teams. 

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On the Oregon/Oklahoma kickoff, there was so much stupidity:

1 - The Sooner player who recovers the ball just walks away. There's a scrum, dumbass. At a minimum you walk to an official and hand him the ball. Probably, you should stand in place and hold the ball up above your head to get the entire crew's attention.

2 - The dumbass running the replays over and over and the broadcast and continually stopping before any shot that shows the recovery happen.

3 - The TV crew so myopically focused on the 10-yard rule and who touches the ball first that they never even consider who recovered the ball.

But, again, Bob Stoops got fucked, so whatevs.  🤷‍♂️

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15 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I get that the Okie State incident was completely egregious but it's hardly the first or the last time the Big 12 (or any other) conference has publicly "stood by" their godawful officiating. It happens nearly every time there is a situation like this, even if those officials are later suspended or whatever. Nobody ever wants to publicly admit to incompetence.

I think our main issue was that it was not only egregious, but that it supported what we thought we were seeing from the officiating at the time, and there was a specific crew that penalized Texas at a anomalously high rate while simultaneously under penalizing our opponents, which was evidence based (I forgot which poster ran the numbers).   The fact that the guy who ran into Strong had a job afterwards indicated this was beyond the norm.  During that same timeframe, we saw the SEC fire officials for their screw ups, but the B12 seemed to laugh at it.  Then there was a multi-year discussion about whether taunting was a penalty when it was against Texas, and Tom Herman was asking for rules clarity.  It seemed we could be penalized for throwing up the Horns in the endzone or in celebration, but others could get in our players faces and do the horns down.  We were not allowed to do the guns down or a penalty would be thrown.   The goal was clarity and the B12 ultimately took 2 years to make what is a simple ruling.  Either taunting is allowed or it is not, just call it evenly.  

Those Okie State officials were never disciplined.  In fact they were allowed to officiate more games between Texas and Okie State, rather than being assigned to other teams.  

 

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I think our main issue was that it was not only egregious, but that it supported what we thought we were seeing from the officiating at the time, and there was a specific crew that penalized Texas at a anomalously high rate while simultaneously under penalizing our opponents, which was evidence based (I forgot which poster ran the numbers).   The fact that the guy who ran into Strong had a job afterwards indicated this was beyond the norm.  During that same timeframe, we saw the SEC fire officials for their screw ups, but the B12 seemed to laugh at it.  Then there was a multi-year discussion about whether taunting was a penalty when it was against Texas, and Tom Herman was asking for rules clarity.  It seemed we could be penalized for throwing up the Horns in the endzone or in celebration, but others could get in our players faces and do the horns down.  We were not allowed to do the guns down or a penalty would be thrown.   The goal was clarity and the B12 ultimately took 2 years to make what is a simple ruling.  Either taunting is allowed or it is not, just call it evenly.  

Those Okie State officials were never disciplined.  In fact they were allowed to officiate more games between Texas and Okie State, rather than being assigned to other teams.  

 

History repeated itself in 2022.   I’d really like to know if some checks were cashed after this one.   For Okie State to not get called for one hold considering the offense they ran at the time was laughable on the face of it.   A team just doesn’t have ZERO penalty yards in a game when in the other 11 games plus the bowl, you likely had a number of yards.   

 

 

 

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And that 2022 game was a Kevin Mar led crew. 

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The commentators during the K-State/Arizona game had a thing or two to say about Kevin Mar and his crew; and I loved every minute of it. 

On a call that clearly should have been overturned (and eventually was) they said “I’m not sure what’s taking so long with this review unless there’s something wrong with the equipment. It appears they marked the ball where (insert some players name here) fell, because the ball carrier got the first down by at least a yard. We all deserve these seven minutes back.”

On another play a flag was thrown and the refs discussed it for like five minutes before picking it up. Commentator said something like the following: “not only are these guys really slow making calls; (Mar) is taking his time walking over to announce them.”

If I could I would have given the commentators some rage +1 rep.

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On 9/10/2025 at 8:41 AM, Brian Fantana said:

Not gonna lie, from the outside, this is the weirdest UT fan obsession.

Maybe you didn’t watch enough of our games. OU raped our players. Mike Leach’s teams tackled our players. The last two years in the league, the disparity in penalties for and against was insane. 

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On 9/11/2025 at 6:54 AM, Nivek said:

I think our main issue was that it was not only egregious, but that it supported what we thought we were seeing from the officiating at the time, and there was a specific crew that penalized Texas at a anomalously high rate while simultaneously under penalizing our opponents, which was evidence based (I forgot which poster ran the numbers).   The fact that the guy who ran into Strong had a job afterwards indicated this was beyond the norm.  During that same timeframe, we saw the SEC fire officials for their screw ups, but the B12 seemed to laugh at it.  Then there was a multi-year discussion about whether taunting was a penalty when it was against Texas, and Tom Herman was asking for rules clarity.  It seemed we could be penalized for throwing up the Horns in the endzone or in celebration, but others could get in our players faces and do the horns down.  We were not allowed to do the guns down or a penalty would be thrown.   The goal was clarity and the B12 ultimately took 2 years to make what is a simple ruling.  Either taunting is allowed or it is not, just call it evenly.  

Those Okie State officials were never disciplined.  In fact they were allowed to officiate more games between Texas and Okie State, rather than being assigned to other teams.  

 

There was a spreadsheet someone tracked a while back that showed that Texas getting called for more penaties and yardage than their conf opponents for YEARS.  Teams magically become completely fundamentally sound when playing Texas.

it isn't that that Texas isn't committing penalties it is that officials very obviously actively LOOK for Texas penalties and ignore opponents.  It's well documented.

our average yard per penalty is also always higher. We get the big drive killing holding or drive extending DPI a LOT.  they then had to start throwing in the late opponent holding, DPI, or QB roughing to even it up.  it started about 8 years ago in the Big 12.  We will see what happens in the SEC but same situation appears to be happening.

 

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7 hours ago, dcar00 said:

There was a spreadsheet someone tracked a while back that showed that Texas getting called for more penaties and yardage than their conf opponents for YEARS.  Teams magically become completely fundamentally sound when playing Texas.

it isn't that that Texas isn't committing penalties it is that officials very obviously actively LOOK for Texas penalties and ignore opponents.  It's well documented.

our average yard per penalty is also always higher. We get the big drive killing holding or drive extending DPI a LOT.  they then had to start throwing in the late opponent holding, DPI, or QB roughing to even it up.  it started about 8 years ago in the Big 12.  We will see what happens in the SEC but same situation appears to be happening.

 

Yeah, there was a pattern of officiating that was missed in that spreadsheet as well.  The timing and situations of the penalties, which is admittedly harder to qualify (the latter), but that has been largely the argument some of us whinners have had, the officiating was one-sided.  The SEC officiating is a bit one-sided as well, but a little better than outright fuckery that was the B12.  This is why I think the HC needs an OC so he can get after them when our QB is hit OOB or when they throw a phantom PI.   Officials from all conferences need to learn what holding is.  A guy falling down or tripping doesn't mean it's holding by the opponent.  It is stupid to keep seeing this, even when it happens to our opponents.

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More criticism of B12 Refs...

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Butch Jones long ago began climbing through the college coaching ranks by taking upstart underdogs and generating upset-win opportunities. 

Jones and his Arkansas State team might have been robbed of a potential touchdown that might have proved the difference in a narrow loss to unbeaten, now-No. 12 Iowa State. Actually, Arkansas State had two second-half touchdowns negated by penalties called by the Big 12 officiating crew in what turned out to be an 24-16 loss. The Cyclones were favored by 21.5 points in their road-trip to Jonesboro, Arkansas,, for the game. 

Take a look at the play below, which negated an Arkansas State touchdown that would have lifted the Red Wolves to an 20-17 lead with 12 minutes to play in the fourth quarter.

"Let me just say: I've been doing this a long time, and we have the luxury of having an iPad on the sideline," Jones, who's won 104 games as an NCAA head coach and guided Arkansas State to consecutive bowl games, said. "So, usually, before I get agitated, I will look at the iPad, or if I do get agitated before the iPad, I will get back to the official and tell them you made a good call. But we have the luxury the don't of the iPad but let's just say that ... I think you know what I'm going to say.

"It's really inexcusable. There's a professional level of things, and I'll just leave it like that, that was unacceptable. And the individual who's in charge of their officials (at the Big 12 Conference) worked for me at the University of Tennessee and he's already gotten a call and about 10 text messages. There's nothing you can do. Did that one play cost us the game? No, but we scored twice in a row, we have the momentum, our kids are battling and there's just no place for it in the game. And that's all I'll say. 

"I don't think he likes this one, and I don't like it, either. I don't see a lot. There was restriction ... I don't see much."

Jones revealed that he reached out to the Big 12 Conference office because Saturday's officiating crew was comprised of referee Cravonne Barrett, umpire Rick Podraza, linesman Kirk Mattson, Lark Jones, Jim Sima, Mark Estermeyer, and Fulton Carson. 

 

Arkansas State, now 1-2 on the season after tough back-to-back games against Arkansas and Iowa State, faces Kennesaw State Saturday, with the Owls also having Tennessee ties. They're lead by first-year coach Jerry Mack, a former Vols assistant coach. 

 

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