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15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Chuck Schumer has been winning elections to the U.S Senate for 26 years and elections to the House since before I was born, so I’ll need another argument for how his political instincts suck. 

It’s really bizarre to me how much shit Democrats shovel onto their most successful representatives. 
 

 

He’s been winning as a NY machine Democrat. Those political instincts don’t really translate to any other parts of the country and certainly not to national leadership. Having the party’s House and Senate leaders both from New York is a huge fuckup for the party.

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. That was the Clinton faction. 

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He’s been winning as a NY machine Democrat. Those political instincts don’t really translate to any other parts of the country and certainly not to national leadership. Having the party’s House and Senate leaders both from New York is a huge fuckup for the party.

I don’t disagree with you here but it’s wild to get up in arms at him for what he’s been doing to win elections since 1980. I wouldn’t back him for a national election but the Democrats could do much, much worse. 
 

He and Mitch both have been a bit of a firewall against some damage in a way people don’t appreciate if they don’t geek out on beltway shit.

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4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

He's the goddam minority leader but he doesn't fucking act like it. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Chuck Schumer has been winning elections to the U.S Senate for 26 years and elections to the House since before I was born, so I’ll need another argument for how his political instincts suck. 

It’s really bizarre to me how much shit Democrats shovel onto their most successful representatives. 

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

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8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

A record number of confirmed federal judges and a remarkable record of getting Biden’s agenda passed in a 50-50 chamber. 

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16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

I would rephrase the question, slightly.

What has Schumer accomplished as a Senate leader that ordinary working class people are aware of and actually give a shit about?

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The Senate majority and minority leader is not someone you select for bold and inspirational rhetorical and ideological leadership; it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party. When you’re a minority leader coming off a presidential election, job one is literally to not get in the way of the incumbent’s party fucking things up.

The most politically successful senate leader in the past century was LBJ and let’s not rewrite history: the left wing of the party fucking hated him and he got the VP nod in a bid to appeal to racists. Much like Biden, he passed some of the most progressive legislation we’ve seen by running from the center.

You know what other senate leader polls dismally from his base? Mitch Fucking McConnell.  He’s RINO number one, most hated swamp creature and yet Mitch Fucking McConnell is the man most responsible for all the horrible fucking GOP wins we see. The Dems need their own creatures like him. 

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10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Senate majority and minority leader is not someone you select for bold and inspirational rhetorical and ideological leadership; it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party. When you’re a minority leader coming off a presidential election, job one is literally to not get in the way of the incumbent’s party fucking things up.

The most politically successful senate leader in the past century was LBJ and let’s not rewrite history: the left wing of the party fucking hated him and he got the VP nod in a bid to appeal to racists. Much like Biden, he passed some of the most progressive legislation we’ve seen by running from the center.

You know what other senate leader polls dismally from his base? Mitch Fucking McConnell.  He’s RINO number one, most hated swamp creature and yet Mitch Fucking McConnell is the man most responsible for all the horrible fucking GOP wins we see. The Dems need their own creatures like him. 

You’re a fucking moron. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party

Chuck Schumer Im Talking GIF by GIPHY News

sure is great that 'ol chuck is that guy then

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Status quo got them elected, rich and keeps them in power.  Nothing's going to change from them because it's working for them.  The new, younger politicians ran on fixing stuff, and battles to win and the older leadership could assist, teach or get out of the way, but instead, they tell them to tone down their rhetoric and wait their turn. If they followed the advice of leadership, they'd have never been elected to begin with, especially since leadership didn't stump for them or want them elected.  

I could be wrong, but it sure looks like this from the outside, and I'm tired of losing.  I recently argued against a faculty scientist that was against Kamala, because he didn't feel like she was properly vetted, and Democrats didn't have much of a choice.  Really, wtf?  She ran against a literal dipshit criminal, that ran on revenge, with waiting trial dates, and a shitty historic former presidency. It's purity tests like this that are particularly frustrating.  Sure, let's do battle for a few months leading up the election, adding fuel to the Republicans and exhausting the public.  Politics is now a beating, which is by design.  

Some interesting excerpts from a Bill Burr interview:

“And then their (politicians) job is they stand there and they get yelled at. And then all the fucking people that they're really working for, they fucking, like, you can't make 200 grand a year and your portfolio is worth 60 million bucks. That just doesn't work that way.

You just become a money laundering operation, big business. And also, like, well, the idea was that, you know, you try to make government work for people or protect people. And then there's one side that just wants none of that.

They just privatize everything.”

From WTF with Marc Maron Podcast: Episode 1610 - Bill Burr, Jan 20, 2025
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-1610-bill-burr/id329875043?i=1000684667484
 

 

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It’s 2025, Trump controls the executive and both chambers of Congress, and Dems are defending the political instincts of Chuck Schumer. I wonder how we got here…

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12 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

Good point, and the last part is true for Pelosi as well. She’s the greatest legislative tactician of all time or at least the closest thing the House has ever had to LBJ.. She is not and does not want to be the face of anything. 

10 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You’re a fucking moron. 

He was right though.

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good point, and the last part is true for Pelosi as well. She’s the greatest legislative tactician of all time or at least the closest thing the House has ever had to LBJ.. She is not and does not want to be the face of anything. 

He was right though.

Moscow Mitch was far better leader of his party because he got shit done until he spoke out about dear leader. Schumer is a run of the mill NY politician that does nothing for the party in this climate.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good point, and the last part is true for Pelosi as well. She’s the greatest legislative tactician of all time or at least the closest thing the House has ever had to LBJ.. She is not and does not want to be the face of anything. 

He was right though.

Pelosi was a Tip O’Neil type talent in the House and in truth Mitch was too just for evil most of the time. 
 

Schumer is not on the level of those two but I don’t see anyone on the D bench in the Senate with their type of talent. 
 

The Dems have a lot of issues but he’s well down the list. 

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10 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Senate majority and minority leader is not someone you select for bold and inspirational rhetorical and ideological leadership; it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party. When you’re a minority leader coming off a presidential election, job one is literally to not get in the way of the incumbent’s party fucking things up.

Yikes.

https://newrepublic.com/article/198782/democrats-torpedo-2026-midterm-election-populists-moderates

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26 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Pelosi was a Tip O’Neil type talent in the House and in truth Mitch was too just for evil most of the time. 
 

Schumer is not on the level of those two but I don’t see anyone on the D bench in the Senate with their type of talent. 
 

The Dems have a lot of issues but he’s well down the list. 

Keep fucking that establishment democrat horse. He and others like him in the democratic party are the reason the dems have lots of issues. Get fucked you head in the sand moron.

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13 hours ago, chainsaw said:

He is responsible for the party's worst approval rating in 30 years.

I don't know how you justify this criticism in the face of Biden's terrible campaign.  

13 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Welp, it looks like I was wrong and Doggett and Casar are likely to wind up facing each other in a primary for D10. That’s a shame. 
Doggett is still extremely effective, but he really should pass the torch to Sarah Eckhart, and Casar should sack up and break the gerrymander in the new District 35.

I had the same thought, but I'm also far less fond of both of them than you are and wouldn't mind seeing them bloody each other in the primary.  

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6 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I'm also far less fond of both of them

Fond is the right word. I’ve got a soft spot for both of those guys (for different reasons) and it makes me less of objective.

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1) Reading Y. N. Harari's Nexus and his argument that in the realm of free speech, truth will NOT win out is pretty compelling -- and ultimately existentially depressing. But it does ultimately turn on strong leaders willing to get shit done in the window they have power.  GOP understands this fully.

2) Dems are the party of the city.  But they stopped appearing to represent the poor and the blue collar in the city and the burbs with these older establishment types. So the younger incoming folks to me need to figure out how to craft a message that appeals to the poor, blue collar and rural types, and they won't get many of the latter, but they need to try.  If they focus on economic issues and "safety and security issues" they have a shot.  They shouldn't jettison the social issues and the protection of the constitution issues.  But there is a double standard on being the party of law and order and they ahve to keep hammering on that and keep the tent open for all solutions.

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15 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The British lost the war after a Prussian turned the Continental Army into a real fighting force and the French blockade and assistance. Most engagements were with line infantry. The citizen soldier in the bushes is mostly a myth. 

Well I would think most people should remember that part of history. We were all taught it. Without France we do not get independence. Britain’s Redcoats were a professional army, but they were fighting thousands of miles from home and the strength of their military was that they were a worldwide naval power. The colonies were too big and spread out to be brought to heel. 

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19 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

1) Reading Y. N. Harari's Nexus and his argument that in the realm of free speech, truth will NOT win out is pretty compelling -- and ultimately existentially depressing. But it does ultimately turn on strong leaders willing to get shit done in the window they have power.  GOP understands this fully.

2) Dems are the party of the city.  But they stopped appearing to represent the poor and the blue collar in the city and the burbs with these older establishment types. So the younger incoming folks to me need to figure out how to craft a message that appeals to the poor, blue collar and rural types, and they won't get many of the latter, but they need to try.  If they focus on economic issues and "safety and security issues" they have a shot.  They shouldn't jettison the social issues and the protection of the constitution issues.  But there is a double standard on being the party of law and order and they ahve to keep hammering on that and keep the tent open for all solutions.

They already message on these points. It also comes down to her being a black female. That was a pretty big part of Kamala’s platform whether she invited it or not.

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Biden was out of the picture a year ago in July 2024. The Dem's approval rating today in August 2025 is at its lowest because of weak leadership. Schumer's rating also dropped precipitously even in his home state. I strongly suspect that the same political instincts that told him the people want Israel First also told him to fumble the only leverage the Dems had against the Big Bullshit Bill. The Dems have a weakness problem, and it comes from the top. Schumer and Jeffries need to fucking go.

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37 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Doggett put a knife in the back of Democrat’s party unity and he should be given a plane ticket straight to Somalia

His only mistake was waiting until after the debate, although he at least had some plausible deniability about Biden's senility. The most culpable people are the higher ups in the party.

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Didn't have stanning for Schumer on my bingo card today, but we all know why 956 is doing it.

The post to go with my link from earlier.

They just can't help themselves.

 

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16 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

Well that is just not true. As the Senate Minority Leader he is the face of the party, or least one of the major ones. If he doesn't want to be, he needs to not be in a leadership role.

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