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39 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He said in that interview that he has been offered $2 billion to keep his mouth shut, and turned it down. That pinged my bullshit meter. 

Man idk, I’m sure unbelievable shit gets said and done everyday. No way to prove that. 
 

That being said his interview with Richard Doty is pretty incredible. That man doesn’t really have a reason to lie 

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34 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Man idk, I’m sure unbelievable shit gets said and done everyday. No way to prove that. 
 

That being said his interview with Richard Doty is pretty incredible. That man doesn’t really have a reason to lie 

Richard Doty is literally a government disinformation agent.  That is his profession.  I understand that he has changed, turned over a new leaf, maybe was lying in the past but definitely is not lying now, etc. but you should treat everything Richard Doty says with an enormous amount of skepticism.  I personally don't believe a single thing he says.

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1 hour ago, Keef said:

Richard Doty is literally a government disinformation agent.  That is his profession.  I understand that he has changed, turned over a new leaf, maybe was lying in the past but definitely is not lying now, etc. but you should treat everything Richard Doty says with an enormous amount of skepticism.  I personally don't believe a single thing he says.

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Yes, I’m aware who he is and what’s on his resume. Just one of those things where I don’t think having a 3 hour interview on a subject that you have a vested interest in keeping secret is logical. 
 

Richard Doty, Tim Gallaudet, David Grusch,Karl Nell, Chris Melon, etc…

These ppl have put it out on the line for little to no gain. It just takes 1 thing that 1 of them has said to be true.

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https://medium.com/@m.finks/nasas-metallic-orbs-the-surprising-briefing-everyone-missed-70a6ff6a231c

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On July 1, 2023, a Pentagon official at NASA headquarters calmly stated, ‘We see these metallic spheres all over the world, making maneuvers we can’t explainmoving at Mach 2 against the wind, with no apparent propulsion.”

This was a government scientist, discussing objects that defy the laws of physics, in a briefing where the Pentagon and NASA were sharing findings like this after a year of study.

This should have been front-page news. Instead, it barely made a ripple in the mainstream media.

Link to the video is here — LINK

NASA’s Briefing: Key Details & Quotes

You can watch the entire briefing here on Youtube. All of the quotes that I am using will be time-stamped, when possible.

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who is the director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), didn’t beat around the bush.

Showing a video of a metallic sphere captured by military sensors, he stated matter-of-factly: “This is a typical example of the thing that we see most of…

Then came the kicker that should have sent shockwaves through the scientific community: “We see these all over the world, and we see these making very interesting apparent maneuvers.” [37:23]

Wait…what?

Here is a top government official, speaking at NASA headquarters, describing something that defied our understanding of physics: metallic spheres — as he clearly said in an example — “moving at Mach 2 against the wind with no apparent propulsion.” [1:03:41–1:03:55]

  • That’s twice the speed of sound.
  • Into the wind.
  • With no visible engines.

Dr. Kirkpatrick noted that they now have over 800 cases, [54:51–55:06] and that of these cases.- “The numbers I would say that we see are possibly really anomalous are less than single digit percentages… maybe two to five-ish percent.

That sounds like a small number, but there are still at least 20–40 anomalous cases…of metallic spheres, many the size of small cars, that can travel at high speeds with no means of propulsion.

Examining the Orbs

This image is from a slideshow that was shared during the public briefing.

 

1*iD-hJTpSiD15LaM7sEEafw.png The objects have showed up consistently enough, and with such similar characteristics, that they demanded a graph!

  • Size: About as big as a small car (3–13 feet across)
  • Altitude: Flying in the same airspace as commercial planes (10,000–30,000 feet)
  • Appearance: Metallic, spherical, solid
  • Movement: Could hover motionless, then accelerate to incredible speeds
  • Technology: No visible engines, no heat signature, no exhaust

Here’s what makes this truly strange. They are admitting that these objects, which by all laws of physics known to humans, shouldn’t be able to fly…are able to hover, and then accelerate to speeds up to Mach 2.

Imagine one of the jets from Top Gun, hovering silent in the sky, and then accelerating to top speed.

Without any engines.

Again — “We see these all over the world,” Kirkpatrick said. Notice his choice of words: “We see these.” Present tense. Not “We saw these once” or “Someone reported seeing these.” [37:23]

He’s describing something happening regularly, consistently, all around the globe.

The Logical Dilemma
Could we be witnessing non-human technology?

Occam’s Razor tells us that the simplest, most elegant explanation is usually the one closest to the truth.

So, when something this strange appears in our skies, it’s natural to look for simple explanations. Let’s do what NASA’s scientists did: examine each possibility with an open but critical mind.

Could these be conventional aircraft? No. They need huge engines to fly.

Natural phenomena? No. NASA’s Dr. Fox emphasized, they’re dealing with solid objects showing “signatures that could be anomalous.” That’s scientist-speak for “things that shouldn’t be able to do what they’re doing.”

Secret military technology? This is what some people hope it could be. But no country would test their most advanced tech over other nations’ sensitive facilities. And, even more important, these orbs have been appearing for decades. No one had anything close to this kind of technology 40 years ago.

The Answer Nobody Wants to Discuss

This brings us to the possibility most scientists are uncomfortable discussing: non-human technology. Here’s where it gets interesting. This explanation actually fits all the evidence:

  • Advanced technology beyond our current capabilities? Check.
  • Global presence? Check.
  • Consistent characteristics over decades? Check.
  • Ability to operate without conventional propulsion? Check.

Is this a comfortable conclusion? No. Is it where the technological evidence points? Yes.

A Brief Historical Context

Here’s what makes NASA’s current study so fascinating: these metallic orbs aren’t new. They match a pattern of observations stretching back decades:

  • WWII pilots called them “foo fighters”
  • Navy crews tracked them underwater in the 1950s
  • Commercial pilots have quietly reported them for years

The same characteristics keep showing up:

  • Metallic spheres
  • Impossible maneuvers
  • No visible propulsion
  • Strategic locations
  • Apparent intelligence

It’s not a comfortable conclusion. I look at the evidence, and my mind still thinks, “This is not as much fun as I had thought it would be. If non-human technology does exist, that’s kind of…scary.”

I have always been curious about the possibility of “non-human technology”, but if it’s actually real….that will change our actual understanding of reality.

It’s as if all those speculative “what if” debates suddenly got real. No longer is this a fringe rumor or a conspiracy theory; now it’s official data about objects doing the impossible in our skies.

This is what changes when NASA confirms it is seeing anomalies like these metallic orbs across the globe.

Where do we go from here?

So what does NASA plan next? Dr. Spergel, who led Princeton’s astrophysics department, essentially said we need better data — more sensors, more rigorous collection methods — if we want answers.

Meanwhile, Dr. Nicola Fox admitted scientists studying these phenomena face plenty of harassment, which only deepens the stigma. It’s frustrating because here we have top-tier experts openly saying, “We see anomalies we can’t explain,” yet the public conversation remains stuck in old skepticism.

For me, that means there’s a window of opportunity to explore these sightings with fresh eyes, free from the usual ridicule.

If NASA’s data proves something beyond our current technology can exist now, then maybe some ancient technological mysteries aren’t as much of a mystery as the conflicting theories would have us believe. It’s a big leap, but so was NASA going public about impossible flight maneuvers.

The Pattern

I’ve spent the past few months investigating this connection between NASA’s modern metallic orbs and historical technological anomalies. The pattern that emerged was so compelling that I’ve documented it in my upcoming book “The Pattern: from ‘Drones’ to NASA’s Orbs to Ancient History.” [Link if interested in checking it out]

From the precise engineering of Puma Punku in Bolivia to the impossible knowledge embedded in ancient sites, we’re seeing evidence of technological gaps that seemed to exist then…just as they do today with these metallic orbs.

Using NASA’s current observations as our foundation, we can finally examine these historical mysteries through a new lens.

If you’ve found these revelations as eye-opening (or as uncomfortable) as I have, you can follow this investigation in several ways:

  • Check out the book to explore the full pattern [link]
  • Follow me here on Medium for regular updates
  • Share this article if you think others should know about NASA’s overlooked briefing

At this point, I’d rather keep an open mind than miss what could be the biggest story of our time.

 
 

 

 
 

I apologize for not posting as plain text. Apparently that's no longer a thing that works properly. 

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https://www.twz.com/air/heres-what-norads-commander-just-told-us-about-the-langley-afb-drone-incursions

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The incursions of mystery drones over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia – which we were the first to report back in March – has sparked a lot of questions about who flew them and how the U.S. military responded to them and will do so in similar instances in the future. Drone flights over sensitive military installations, warning areas, naval warships, and critical national infrastructure sites is a major issue The War Zone has raised for years. Today we had a chance to ask the general responsible for defending America’s airspace about the issue and the Langley incursions, in particular.

Speaking to The War Zone along with a small group of reporters at Peterson Space Force Base in Colorado Springs, the commander of U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) and the joint U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) Air Force Gen. Gregory M. Guillot offered few specifics about the incursions but talked about some of the steps NORTHCOM is taking in the wake of those incidents.

“The only thing I can tell you about the Langley drones is roughly the number and roughly the altitude,” he said when we asked him about the exact characteristics and configurations of those drones. He did not elaborate. However, earlier this month, Air Force Gen. Mark Kelly told The Wall Street Journal that at least one of the drones was “roughly 20 feet long and flying at more than 100 miles an hour, at an altitude of roughly 3,000 to 4,000 feet. Other drones followed, one by one, sounding in the distance like a parade of lawn mowers.”

Replying to our question, Guillot told us he did not know if they were tracked back to their recovery point or whether they could have been launched by a vessel off the coast.

 

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53 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

 

Edit: Somebody said the original video is like a popcorn ceiling tile painted green, and now I can't unsee it.  But also, could have been done underwater, giving the chicken egg its motion.

My 12 year-old can do better than that, and he does all kinds of green-screen stuff with his Legos, and he knows how to color grade.

Shit, where did they get green shag carpet in the 2020s in the parody video?

Edit, looks like they got the rug from Walmart

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Pretty good debate between Mick West and Marik vo Rennenkampff, hosted by Jesse Michels (who has the best analyis on this stuff out there, IMO).  Mick does Mick things throughout, but cops to getting paid to come up with his debunking stuff, shocking absolutely no one.  He declines to identify who is paying him.  

 

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On 1/29/2025 at 3:28 PM, Fondren & Main said:

 

Idc for Sands story at all. I mean it MAY have happened, but that is such an extraordinary claim with no supporting evidence whatsoever to back you up. Especially the part about letting the alien just walk back to the craft and the rest of the platoon not doing shit? Once again, may have happened… but I’m not a big backer of that one. Not to mention him claiming to have assassinated aliens and shit 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Idc for Sands story at all. I mean it MAY have happened, but that is such an extraordinary claim with no supporting evidence whatsoever to back you up. Especially the part about letting the alien just walk back to the craft and the rest of the platoon not doing shit? Once again, may have happened… but I’m not a big backer of that one. Not to mention him claiming to have assassinated aliens and shit 
 

 

lol, I have my own thoughts on the whole phenomenon.  In my opinion, there are always clues as to what these things are and how they reveal themselves.

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Anyone still thinking the government has any information whatsoever about aliens just needs to give up. There is clearly nothing we aren’t being told. How do I know this? Because our President has the mental fortitude of an 11 year old girl and would have blabbed all about the aliens by now. Shut down this thread. 

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I'm to the point where shit like that doesn't phase me or even interest me all that much because I already believe in most of it (although that's an interesting clip). And the skeptics or non-believers don't care either because they'll always say it isn't real and/or demand some more conclusive form of "evidence".

What's been fascinating me lately are all of these ancient megalithic sites that are thousands of years old that no one knows how old they actually are or how they were constructed. Like we still don't *really* know who built the pyramids at Giza or how old they actually are. It's all just guesswork. 

And that's like a goddamn warm-up when it comes to this stuff. Even just in Egypt alone there are plenty more sites just as enigmatic and other sites probably even MORE enigmatic. 

My current favorite is the stones in Baalbek, Lebanon. They - at the very least - predate the Romans who built a temple on top of a few of them that had been lined up next to each other as a platform. There are a few more that have been partially cut out of the ground but not extracted or moved yet. Like this one:

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So my current, top-of-mind, big-picture question when it comes to stuff going on on this rock we call Earth is WHO THE FUCK CUT THAT SHIT OUT OF THE GROUND AND HOW IN THE FUCK DID THEY MOVE IT ANYWHERE? 

Like - Jessica - we can talk about the alien in your backyard later - I want to discuss how there is shit like that just sitting around and we as a species aren't more interested in trying to figure out what the fuck was going on there. 

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26 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm to the point where shit like that doesn't phase me or even interest me all that much because I already believe in most of it (although that's an interesting clip). And the skeptics or non-believers don't care either because they'll always say it isn't real and/or demand some more conclusive form of "evidence".

What's been fascinating me lately are all of these ancient megalithic sites that are thousands of years old that no one knows how old they actually are or how they were constructed. Like we still don't *really* know who built the pyramids at Giza or how old they actually are. It's all just guesswork. 

And that's like a goddamn warm-up when it comes to this stuff. Even just in Egypt alone there are plenty more sites just as enigmatic and other sites probably even MORE enigmatic. 

My current favorite is the stones in Baalbek, Lebanon. They - at the very least - predate the Romans who built a temple on top of a few of them that had been lined up next to each other as a platform. There are a few more that have been partially cut out of the ground but not extracted or moved yet. Like this one:

Baalbek-stoneofpregnantwoman.thumb.jpg.796d59dbe93492e504a3955a3464f3eb.jpg

So my current, top-of-mind, big-picture question when it comes to stuff going on on this rock we call Earth is WHO THE FUCK CUT THAT SHIT OUT OF THE GROUND AND HOW IN THE FUCK DID THEY MOVE IT ANYWHERE? 

Like - Jessica - we can talk about the alien in your backyard later - I want to discuss how there is shit like that just sitting around and we as a species aren't more interested in trying to figure out what the fuck was going on there. 

Blow Your Mind Wow GIF by Product Hunt

 

I like to watch YouTube videos about ancient history and civilizations before going to bed and, in fact, watched this one last night. While it doesn't address that particular site (which I've heard of), you might find this interesting in a general sense. We have a little-used Archeology Thread that I wish had more traffic. It'd be great to have some good discussions over there about this kind of stuff.

Btw, I'm by no means an expert on any of this stuff, having only taken a single cultural anthropology class in undergrad, but the topic of ancient history and finding old mysterious shit is endlessly fascinating.

Check this video out -- really cool stuff.

 

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Topics like the places above make me wonder how much credence there is with ancient civilizations?  Think Younger Drays stuff.  Randall Carlson, etc.  We know the YD period happened.  We know humanity had what many accept as a "reset" as much of the population was killed off.  

Were there older civilizations with sufficient tech to construct such things as the pyramids, gobekli tepe, etc. with advancements more than simple stone tools and slave labor?  12K years ago, any metal such as iron/steel would turn to dust.  Historical dates keep getting pushed back further and further with more findings of civilizations that are older and older.  Cool to think about. 

If a giant space rock slammed into the earth, all electronics are gone.  Most of humanity dies off as they are not equipped to survive, and cities turn back into dust over a few thousand years.  

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Great series on PBS where they investigate why the Maya noped out of their big ass cities.

They took readings off cave formations much like we do with tree rings. According to the isotope levels there were severe climate shifts duing the century they abandoned their cities. 

Check out this video from this search, pbs maya study https://share.google/vkvb7lm5SVDUebLrE

 

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Topics like the places above make me wonder how much credence there is with ancient civilizations?  Think Younger Drays stuff.  Randall Carlson, etc.  We know the YD period happened.  We know humanity had what many accept as a "reset" as much of the population was killed off.  

Were there older civilizations with sufficient tech to construct such things as the pyramids, gobekli tepe, etc. with advancements more than simple stone tools and slave labor?  12K years ago, any metal such as iron/steel would turn to dust.  Historical dates keep getting pushed back further and further with more findings of civilizations that are older and older.  Cool to think about. 

If a giant space rock slammed into the earth, all electronics are gone.  Most of humanity dies off as they are not equipped to survive, and cities turn back into dust over a few thousand years.  

 

While I personally don’t subscribe to many of the more out-there theories about ancient civilizations, I’m in complete agreement that those people were a lot more sophisticated than they’re often given credit for. And, yeah, it certainly seems there are periods in human history when technology and building techniques were lost to subsequent civilizations until having to be rediscovered by later ones. Like, for example, I think we only recently rediscovered the technique the Romans used for making concrete.

One interesting ongoing debate I recently learned about is the possibility of a cave system underneath the pyramids that could reach back to a much earlier era and could signify the site as being holy to early peoples. If I’m remembering the details correctly, there might be an aquifer system down there that they had tapped into that some Scottish researchers are claiming to have found. Like I said, I like to watch/listen to these videos to reset emotionally and wind down, so I’m often halfway asleep while they’re running.

Speaking of which, The Fall of Civilizations podcast is most excellent.

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

 

While I personally don’t subscribe to many of the more out-there theories about ancient civilizations, I’m in complete agreement that those people were a lot more sophisticated than they’re often given credit for. And, yeah, it certainly seems there are periods in human history when technology and building techniques were lost to subsequent civilizations until having to be rediscovered by later ones. Like, for example, I think we only recently rediscovered the technique the Romans used for making concrete.

One interesting ongoing debate I recently learned about is the possibility of a cave system underneath the pyramids that could reach back to a much earlier era and could signify the site as being holy to early peoples. If I’m remembering the details correctly, there might be an aquifer system down there that they had tapped into that some Scottish researchers are claiming to have found. Like I said, I like to watch/listen to these videos to reset emotionally and wind down, so I’m often halfway asleep while they’re running.

Speaking of which, The Fall of Civilizations podcast is most excellent.

I subscribe to it.  Been wrapping up S.America:  Incas, Mayans, Azteks.  Their Mongol episodes are what pulled me in.

The "chambers" under the pyramids are fascinating to think about.  Subterranean space under structures we'd be hard pressed to replicate with today's technology is a mind trip.  

*assuming they are valid*

What is also wild is how ensconced archeologists are on their theories.  Before Gobekli Tepe it was heresy to discuss civilizations that old and advanced.  You'd get attacked, laughed out of the room, etc.  Or the Clovis stuff.  Ancient civilizations don't have to mean Star Trek - just that it's not inconceivable to think that as a species, there have been resets over the decades that fall outside the lines of a linear progression of humans as a species (or any species for that matter).  

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6 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

The science is settled. They are among us. 
 

 

i'm glad that NBC decided to plaster a banner all over this in order to hide whatever it is. 

 

unless this camera is above the second floor of the house (which, since it looks like someone's front door, it definitely isn't) the thing going past is small and on the ground. it's just some critter. it's not a person, it's not 3 feet tall, it's probably a cat or possum or gray fox.

 

edit: someone carrying in bags, there's an SUV parked right there and the bags pass in front of the wheel. 

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25 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Great series on PBS, Secrets of the Dead i think, where they investigate why the Maya nopped out of their big ass cities.

They took readings off cave formations much like we do with tree rings. According to the isotope levels there was severe climate shifts duing the century they abandoned their cities. 

Check out this video from this search, pbs maya study https://share.google/vkvb7lm5SVDUebLrE

 

The South American LIDAR scans they are doing now is wild!  Entire civilizations.  Cities with supposedly millions of people.  Across much of the Amazon and S.America.  Just gone.  Overgrown and swallowed up by the jungle centuries ago.  

Over 60,000 Mayan structures discovered!

Laser Imaging Reveals 60,000 Maya Structures Under Jungle Canopy

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I subscribe to it.  Been wrapping up S.America:  Incas, Mayans, Azteks.  Their Mongol episodes are what pulled me in.

The "chambers" under the pyramids are fascinating to think about.  Subterranean space under structures we'd be hard pressed to replicate with today's technology is a mind trip.  

*assuming they are valid*

What is also wild is how ensconced archeologists are on their theories.  Before Gobekli Tepe it was heresy to discuss civilizations that old and advanced.  You'd get attacked, laughed out of the room, etc.  Or the Clovis stuff.  Ancient civilizations don't have to mean Star Trek - just that it's not inconceivable to think that as a species, there have been resets over the decades that fall outside the lines of a linear progression of humans as a species (or any species for that matter).  

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think it's just like any other discipline. Folks get attached to their hypotheses and theories and don't want to give them up, but that's the great thing about rigorous science. You back your shit up with proof and compare notes. Gobekli Tepe rewrote the history book and added a chapter to the beginning.

Speculating about aliens coming down and gifting our ancestors knowledge is fun and all (and I'm certainly not above watching some of that stuff on occasion), but I don't put much emotional stock in any of it beyond the entertainment value when high or something. 

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12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

The South American LIDAR scans they are doing now is wild!  Entire civilizations.  Cities with supposedly millions of people.  Across much of the Amazon and S.America.  Just gone.  Overgrown and swallowed up by the jungle centuries ago.  

Over 60,000 Mayan structures discovered!

Laser Imaging Reveals 60,000 Maya Structures Under Jungle Canopy

The various Native American info that is being discovered just over the last couple decades is pretty amazing.  I had my first brush with it on my first overseas trip with my (then) girlfriend (now wife) probably 20 years or so back.  Visited Chichen Itza and just fell in love with it.  At the time I bought The Maya by Michael D. Coe, which was at the time the most advanced one volume on the subject.  Flash forward 25 years and we just went to Guatemala.  Bought the same book - updated mind you - and it's twice as thick with so much more evidence backed data.  There's just been a huge leap forward in the study of pre-European American peoples.  I never cease to be fascinated by it.

 

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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

for avoidance of doubt, the maya were in mexico and central america, not in the amazon or south america

I wasn't clear - agreed.  The scans are Mayan in the pic, but there are finds all over the continent.  

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51 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Visited Chichen Itza and just fell in love with it.

I'll never forget our cheesy tour guide:  Chichen Itza, like "Chicken Pizza", which we still call it to this day.

So they drop you off, there's the little tour station where they have videos, bathrooms, and most importantly....AC!

We're walking in the grass towards the structures, a couple if front of us, guy just faceplants.  Just drops.  Thankfully on soft grass and not concrete.  Heat exhaustion.  They were European.  Ambulance comes out, take him to the station, stick an IV in his arm and he's fine, but that oppressive heat and triple-canopy jungle is no joke.  

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43 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I'll never forget our cheesy tour guide:  Chichen Itza, like "Chicken Pizza", which we still call it to this day.

So they drop you off, there's the little tour station where they have videos, bathrooms, and most importantly....AC!

We're walking in the grass towards the structures, a couple if front of us, guy just faceplants.  Just drops.  Thankfully on soft grass and not concrete.  Heat exhaustion.  They were European.  Ambulance comes out, take him to the station, stick an IV in his arm and he's fine, but that oppressive heat and triple-canopy jungle is no joke.  

We have some friends, from Cleburne, that travel with my aunt and uncle on quite a few vacations. "Mindy" is as southern as it gets. My uncle said they went to Chicken Itza during the sweltering heat and humidity, they roamed around a couple of hours. This was still in the area of "big hair". He said as they were walking out, Mindy was telling all of the women walking in, "if you think that hairdo is gonna survive a couple of hours, out here, you're nuts. You are all gonna look like wet dogs, just like we do."

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9 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

The South American LIDAR scans they are doing now is wild!  Entire civilizations.  Cities with supposedly millions of people.  Across much of the Amazon and S.America.  Just gone.  Overgrown and swallowed up by the jungle centuries ago.  

Over 60,000 Mayan structures discovered!

Laser Imaging Reveals 60,000 Maya Structures Under Jungle Canopy

I'm a firm believer that the Americas were much more populated and advanced than previously thought. I think there is enough evidence to put the Clovis first hypothesis to rest, although I haven't seen any convincing evidence that any pre-clovis civilizations were particularly widespread. But looking at those images, I can't help but think there is a strong possibility that those scientists are reading more into the data than it says. I'm not saying I don't think it's a possibility, but prehistoric anthropologists seem to be pretty clanish and not welcoming of any hypothesis that contradicts their beliefs. More so than most branches of science, for whatever reason. Maybe it has something to do with funding and some kind of intense rivalry on who can come up with the best solution to the questions. 

 

It would be pretty cool to see those hypothesis validated, and I'm rooting for them, but I'm skeptical. Of course I'm saying all this without having actually spent some time looking into the data, so I can't entirely discount them either. 

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