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Dallas Cowboys 2022 Offseason Thread -- Every Time Jerrah Talks, an Angel Sheds Their Wings


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41 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:


Spinal fusion is not a sprained knee. He may have no football future.

He is expected to make a full recovery. It's only because he had his surgery so late before the draft that he's not going to be ready for 2022. Even if it goes wrong and he doesn't, it's a late 5, a good time to roll the dice, when even the vast majority healthy players tend to not crack an NFL lineup.

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4 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Yea, that makes sense.

It's just funny seeing the same narrative over and over that the Cowboys could've gotten more for the trade. From who? Some imaginary team? There hasn't been a single shred of evidence that anyone else was willing to pay more. Anything else is just straight wishcasting. 

Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. 

This is a poor opinion.  I hope you've never been in charge of negotiating anything of substance in your life.  You'd be bad at it with this attitude.

Moving on.  Maybe Fatty knows something?  Maybe he meant at the buffet.

 

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14 minutes ago, futureman said:

he was worth more than a 5th. jerry and stephen are bad at their job. everyone in the business and their dog knows this was one of the worst trades in recent memory. but totallynotabuttpirate says otherwise. I guess everyone else is wrong. 

He's worth way more than a 5th. He wasn't worth anywhere near first round pick and a top 5 NFL WR contract going forward.

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7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

This is a poor opinion.  I hope you've never been in charge of negotiating anything of substance in your life.  You'd be bad at it with this attitude.

Lmao, a little late for that. You keep on fucking that chicken believing there was more meat on that bone. 

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Here's another way to look at the Damone Clark situation. He was playing with a herniated disc for no telling how long, and nobody had any idea while he was kicking  ass and breaking tackling records. They discovered the issue with a routine MRI at the combine, in which he had a standout workout performance. 

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I like the WR pick for where it was made, should contribute early and has good potential. The rest feel like they were mostly overdrafted. Didn't get a lot of value for where they picked in most rounds. 

Hopefully, they go all out in the UDFA market and hopefully pick up some depth in the next stage of free agency.

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32 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Unless we trade back in, looks like we're done for the draft.  Think their day 3 may have been the best in terms of value.  Still need a ton before the season to really sure up some units including secondary, DL, OT, and RB.

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3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Don't hold your breath.  He's a pretty poor athlete and his technique is underwhelming as well.  Cool nickname.

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Ouch…well he played well against Alabama..lol

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On 4/28/2022 at 10:19 PM, conVINCEd said:

So you’re good with Stephen when Jerry dies? Stephen may be worse.

Stephen isn’t worse. Or at least he’s more subtle. Jerry is a narcissistic bad person. It will never change under him - we will never have sustained success or win 2 games in the same playoffs. With Stephen, you might have a dipshit and a bad guy too, but it’s not apparent. Jerry needs to die. 

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Stephen will luck into a Super Bowl every once in a while simply because he knows he isn't the smartest person in any room he walks into.  Jerry always thinks he is the smartest person in any room that he walks into. That might be true in business as he is clearly very good at making money, but he is pretty fucking stupid when it comes to building a football team.  The last 29 years have shown us that.

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58 minutes ago, Hate said:

Stephen will luck into a Super Bowl every once in a while simply because he knows he isn't the smartest person in any room he walks into.  Jerry always thinks he is the smartest person in any room that he walks into. That might be true in business as he is clearly very good at making money, but he is pretty fucking stupid when it comes to building a football team.  The last 29 years have shown us that.

Jerry was a wildcatter (in the true meaning of the word, not just as a euphemism for someone in the oil industry) who hit on 12 of his first 13 oil wells.  It was one of the riskiest and luckiest ways anyone has ever become insanely rich.   

He is good at making money off the Dallas Cowboys brand, especially since they have sucked for most of his time as owner now.  But there’s not necessarily a shrewd analytical genius lurking beneath the surface.  He’s basically a gambler.  That worked in the free for all free agency era before the hard salary cap.  It doesn’t work well in the hard salary cap era, which started roughly around the time things went downhill.  He can’t even really bet bigger than anyone else (and if he does and it goes bad, he can’t write it off and try again easily).  He’d have a lot more success owning the Yankees (where he could still just try to sign all the big names whenever he wants no matter the cost) than he does owning the Cowboys. 

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8 hours ago, Porterhouse said:

Stephen isn’t worse.

Stephen is worse. He is dumber than his father and yet seems to be more sure of himself. It’s not a good thing for the next 25 years of the franchise. 

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7 hours ago, Hate said:

Stephen will luck into a Super Bowl every once in a while simply because he knows he isn't the smartest person in any room he walks into.

I say he will win zero Super Bowls. 

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DALLAS COWBOYS

R1 (24) — T Tyler Smith, Tulsa
R2 (56) — EDGE Sam Williams, Mississippi

R3 (88) — WR Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
R4 (129) — TE Jake Ferguson, Wisconsin
R5 (155) — T Matt Waletzko, North Dakota
R5 (167) — CB DaRon Bland, Fresno State
R5 (176) — LB Damone Clark, LSU
R5 (178) — DI John Ridgeway, Arkansas
R6 (193) — LB Devin Harper, Oklahoma State

Day 1: Smith has been on a meteoric rise in recent months. Arguably the most violent offensive lineman at the Group of Five level, he led the nation in big-time run-blocks a season ago. His grip strength and power are a sight to see — once his hands get locked into the defender’s pads, it’s game over. The Tulsa product earned a 92.1 PFF grade that ranked fourth among FBS tackles in 2021. He was even better from Week 6 on, too, as he graded out at 94.2 over the back half of the season. Smith is going to have a steep learning curve to start, but he is young at just 21 years old.

Day 2: Ole Miss’ Sam Williams has an insane get-off for an edge product who stands at 6-foot-4, 261 pounds. His 4.46-second 40-yard dash ranked 98th percentile among players at his position, but his play strength is massively lacking. He earned a career-high 78.1 PFF grade this past season but needs to develop counters in the NFL if he’s going to consistently create pressure on the quarterback.

While there are concerns with the competition level and being a one-trick pony, Tolbert is very good value late on Day 2. The 6-foot-2, 194-pound wide receiver was one of the top deep threats of 2021. He was responsible for 646 deep receiving yards this season, the fifth-most in the FBS. Tolbert was the go-to guy in South Alabama’s offense, and he made the most of those opportunities by generating 3.16 yards per route run. His deep speed and ball skills will be a good addition to the Cowboys’ receiving room.

Day 3: Waletzko’s developmental traits are as good as you’ll see in this tackle class. With a 7-foot-1 wingspan and nimble feet, he’s the project NFL teams want and has the tape of an offensive lineman with solid upside. Waletzko graded above 70.0 in five of his nine games this past season.

Draft Grade: B+

 

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1 hour ago, futureman said:

ranking the draft before the players play is stupid, but, Kiper ranked cowboys’ draft tied for dead last. 

If I’m ranking draft guys and how much I trust each one, kiper might be tied for dead last. The grades have been all over the place but the guys I trust have it closer to a B. 

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On 4/30/2022 at 2:42 PM, Vic Mackey said:

Or. People know Dallas front office is a bunch of hillbilly morons and are easy to fleece on both sides of trades. The same front office who gave up what they did for Joey Galloway and then Roy Williams. I don't care what you say, you can not convince me a talent like Cooper can not get more than a 5th round pick. They knew Dallas did not want to keep him and were desperate. So they offloaded him at the very first offer they got. Cleveland got a damn good player for absolutely nothing. 5th round picks are extreme long shots to be worth a damn. 

Spin it all you want. This front office is dogshit. 

Cowboys haven't traded a player that returned a top 3 round draft pick since the Hershel Walker trade. They're the only team in the league to go even a decade with this sort of drought.  Conversely they've traded for a number of players over this time period for 1st round picks.  You'd think that an owner would take the lessons learned from the most successful period of his ownership and utilize those tools again, but Jerry has taken that lesson and done the exact opposite. 

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3 hours ago, futureman said:

what’s the knock on devin harper? runs a 4.4 and jumps 40” and has 95 tackles including 11 TFL and doesn’t even get a combine invite?

Don't really know, but seems like he is viewed as a bit of a project. Traditional LBs that aren't edge rushers tend to be cheap in the draft, so some decent talent gets drafted late or not at all. Here's a profile from before the draft 

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/lists/devin-harper-nfl-draft-profile-cowboys/

 

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3 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Cowboys haven't traded a player that returned a top 3 round draft pick since the Hershel Walker trade. They're the only team in the league to go even a decade with this sort of drought.  Conversely they've traded for a number of players over this time period for 1st round picks.  You'd think that an owner would take the lessons learned from the most successful period of his ownership and utilize those tools again, but Jerry has taken that lesson and done the exact opposite. 

Jimmy did things like pioneer the draft pack valuation charts so he’d have some objective way to analyze trade opportunities, creatively structured deals like the Herschel trade to get more picks, and generally just played the odds with getting tons of picks and cutting deadweight quickly.

Jerry gambles.  He does it in various ways.  Two first rounders for a WR (repeatedly, like every 7 years or so he does this)?  Sure, I bet that guy is the missing piece.  Draft prospects who theoretically have high upside but an injury or character flaw weighing against them?  Jerry is all over that because it’s a bet.

Jimmy acted like the house at the casino.  Jerry spins the roulette wheel.

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Jimmy did things like pioneer the draft pack valuation charts so he’d have some objective way to analyze trade opportunities, creatively structured deals like the Herschel trade to get more picks, and generally just played the odds with getting tons of picks and cutting deadweight quickly.
Jerry gambles.  He does it in various ways.  Two first rounders for a WR (repeatedly, like every 7 years or so he does this)?  Sure, I bet that guy is the missing piece.  Draft prospects who theoretically have high upside but an injury or character flaw weighing against them?  Jerry is all over that because it’s a bet.
Jimmy acted like the house at the casino.  Jerry spins the roulette wheel.

People forget that Jimmy got his degree in industrial psychology and his brain is a a big as his hair. He is a student of all kinds of game theory and figured out the best way to win at the draft was to have more picks than others. Back then we didn’t have free agency.

Jerry is a true wild Carter and lives on guts. His crew takes three steps forward then one back. I have no issues with this draft. I think Tyler smith will be a player.

My issues are with how Stephen manages free agency. The cooper add was ok; the exit was clownshows. Not getting a center in FA was stupid. Letting Lael go. Instead of moving to guard was stupid.
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21 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

Jimmy did things like pioneer the draft pack valuation charts so he’d have some objective way to analyze trade opportunities, creatively structured deals like the Herschel trade to get more picks, and generally just played the odds with getting tons of picks and cutting deadweight quickly.

Jerry gambles.  He does it in various ways.  Two first rounders for a WR (repeatedly, like every 7 years or so he does this)?  Sure, I bet that guy is the missing piece.  Draft prospects who theoretically have high upside but an injury or character flaw weighing against them?  Jerry is all over that because it’s a bet.

Jimmy acted like the house at the casino.  Jerry spins the roulette wheel.

The guy who actually came up with the draft pick valuation chart was a Petroleum engineer from the university of Arkansas. I forgot his name,  but "It's Just Banter" discussed him on a recent podcast episode. 

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If that’s 14 names as 1st round grades, and you are selecting 24th, don’t you do everything in your power to trade up to the top 15 or back out of the first round?

if up is prohibitively expensive, then move back. Even if the value isn’t there with the return, there’s no reason to take a 2nd rounder and pay him first round money. 

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HA! Bob Sturm should comply and reduce the sports media world of one less blowhard. Never underestimate the cluelessness of Cowboys brass, but even more clueless of the useless fanboy fake expert media.

 

Cowboys’ Tyler Smith calls reporter who claimed he’d retire if Smith got drafted

 
by Lauren Barash7 hours ag

For most Dallas Cowboys fans, Tulsa OT Tyler Smith was not a name they expected to hear called for the 24th overall pick. There were several other Cowboys favorites at offensive line as well as wide receivers they were rumored to potentially trade up for. Ironically, the morning of the 2022 NFL Draft, ESPN’s Mel Kiper picked Smith for Dallas in his final mock draft, which caused an uproar among many fans.

It also didn’t sit well with local Dallas radio personality Bob Sturm. Sturm is a sports talk show host for Dallas sports radio staton “The Ticket.” When he heard about Kiper’s choice, he tweeted out that he would retire if the Cowboys selected Smith after covering the team for over 20 years. Well, as we now all know, that tweet majorly backfired hours later. The radio host jokingly tweeted that “it’s been a great run” to his followers and also shared some videos that sparked his concern about Smith. He, unsurprisingly, didn’t retire, though.

Several news outlets quickly picked up the story and Sturm essentially went viral for his take. As if that weren’t entertaining enough, the Cowboys’ first-round pick himself decided to call the radio host the next day – a testament to the Tulsa product’s humor and enjoyable personality.

If they take Tyler Smith in Round 1, I will submit my retirement papers. #WinWin https://t.co/AhM6paHJRN

— Bob Sturm (@SportsSturm) April 28, 2022

 

After radio host Bob Sturm said he’d retire if Tyler Smith got drafted by the Cowboys, the Dallas draftee called into his radio show

Smith was a good sport about it and poked fun at Sturm.

“Is that Bob I heard? I’m surprised you clocked in today, man. I saw some things on my social. I thought you were taking a forever leave of absence there.”

Instead of being salty, the radio host owned up to his mistake. He tried to explain himself to the Cowboys’ draft pick.

“Well, you know what, I deserve every bit of it. I got it wrong, and the Cowboys did take you in the first round, and good for you! We’re happy for you, man. Let me come clean, let me not turtle on this, I see you as a player as a bit of a developing thing. You’re the youngest player in the draft, right?”

To be fair to Sturm, he’s right. That’s why most people didn’t want to see Smith get drafted. He’s raw, was flagged a lot, and just turned 21 years old on April 3. Most thought the Cowboys would go with a sure-fire Week 1 starter with their first-round pick. Smith and the hosts went on to talk about his path to Tulsa, his journey with Blount’s disease, and more. You can listen to the full interview, here.

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If that’s 14 names as 1st round grades, and you are selecting 24th, don’t you do everything in your power to trade up to the top 15 or back out of the first round?
if up is prohibitively expensive, then move back. Even if the value isn’t there with the return, there’s no reason to take a 2nd rounder and pay him first round money. 

This happens every year. There’s usually less than 20 round 1 grades every year. This year if everyone is trading down then the values added going down aren’t worth it, and it’s rare the salary is a consideration. It’s about the situation unfolding. They had Smith as their 16. With zero QBs taken previous, a run on o linemen, drops on certain players, they got the guy they wanted.

Why was he a 2? He’s the youngest kid in the draft at 21. He projected as the #1 tackle in the 23 draft had he stayed at Tulsa. He has incredible hand strength and upper body leverage and is a mailer who puts folks on the ground. He struggled in space which is an experience thing ( and where most of his holds happened) but also not a problem at guard. Being 21 is a huge advantage as you might keep him for 15-17 years if he pans out. In the first round you also get a fifth year option. So he’s a mean mother like Martin. He’s 21 like Tyron Smith. And a high 2 like Frederick. I like the pick the more I read on him.

And their biggest need is rebuilding that oline. All teams factor need and bpa and a bunch of other factors. Pure bpa is a media myth.

I loved his handling of the media and just humbling Sturm. He’s a Ft Worth kid and knows the Ticket. I think this is going to be a great pick in the long run.
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