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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Lots of silly, fun memes in there, but this offers a good explanation for why it resonates, telling us, "You too can make a difference."

https://www.reddit.com/r/andor/comments/1ldnj4a/david_graeber_anthropologist_explains_why_andor/image.png.5c1af829c07bb9ff3052fda1f52a33ae.png

 

What's funny to me is when Rian Johnson did this with Rey, and tried to make Luka an actual fucking person who can make mistakes and atone of them, the annoying vocal part of the fan base went absolutely nuts. 

Rey was supposed to be "Just some girl" who happened to have the force, and Luke was an old man who was beaten down by a very horrible choice he ALMOST made, but in the end didn't.  But it was too late.

This is not to say that movie didn't have it's flaws(Canto Bite sub plut can be shot to the sun) but he WAS doing something similar...no one was ready for it.

Or he wasn't a good enough storyteller to pull it off.

I still hate that the backlash had them course correct back to JJ and gave us the shitastic RoSW...I would have loved to see Rian finish the story, or hell, do the entire trilogy and see his vision play out.

Couldn't have possibly been worse than the final installment.

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On 6/10/2025 at 2:00 PM, Hate said:

I don’t know if I can get into cartoons. 

I’ve tried both Clone Wars and Rebels but gave up. They just seem cheap, childish, and overly drawn out.

I don’t need a cartoon to salvage Anakin’s character or water down the significance of Obi-Wan and then Luke but introducing a whole shitload of refugee Jedis and critical characters who weren’t included or even referenced in the films. The live action stuff should stand on its own merits. 

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I think the anthropologist is trying to make a point that's pretty unnecessary and nothing Gilroy was even trying to attempt. I don't think he was trying to subvert anything Lucas had done. He was was making Star Wars where you didn't actually have to have one drop of knowledge about the Force or frankly anything else to pick up what was happening and what the stakes were. Yes, that's appealing to a larger, non-SW nerd audience. You didn't need to know Anakin's fall or the Jedi being wiped out. If you've heard Gilroy talk about the time frame he's trying to build his world in, there are only a few people who've ever seen a Jedi. They are very few Force believers. It's very much like the first movie. You can just be dropped into that world and it was fine. He was telling the story of the average people who make revolutions happen under extraordinary circumstances but I disagree about the notion that it wasn't a hero's journey. The Force healer seeing Cassian's future plays up a bit that he's fairly special. Bix felt it to I'd imagine.

Andor is very much a hero's journey because Cassian tried his best to not get involved until he had no choice at the end of season 1. He was only it in for himself and to scrape by. Then he was fully in after Marva died and Bix was hurt because of him. Very similar to Luke just wanting to drop Obi Wan off at Anchorhead and go back to being a farmer. Then the only family Luke had ever known was wiped out and he had nothing else to stay for. That motivated him to want to learn about the Force and go on his hero's journey. I think Andor hits so well because it captures a lot of what made the original movie great. But the story is timeless because revolutions and resistance have always happened in our history. 

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19 minutes ago, Drew said:

What's funny to me is when Rian Johnson did this with Rey, and tried to make Luka an actual fucking person who can make mistakes and atone of them, the annoying vocal part of the fan base went absolutely nuts. 

Rey was supposed to be "Just some girl" who happened to have the force, and Luke was an old man who was beaten down by a very horrible choice he ALMOST made, but in the end didn't.  But it was too late.

This is not to say that movie didn't have it's flaws(Canto Bite sub plut can be shot to the sun) but he WAS doing something similar...no one was ready for it.

Or he wasn't a good enough storyteller to pull it off.

I still hate that the backlash had them course correct back to JJ and gave us the shitastic RoSW...I would have loved to see Rian finish the story, or hell, do the entire trilogy and see his vision play out.

Couldn't have possibly been worse than the final installment.

Jesus Christ. This take is worse than all of Helobious’ bad takes put together. Face it, Episode 8 sucked. It’s on par with Episode 1 as the worst Star Wars ever. 

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9 minutes ago, Hate said:

Jesus Christ. This take is worse than all of Helobious’ bad takes put together. Face it, Episode 8 sucked. It’s on par with Episode 1 as the worst Star Wars ever. 

The PT and ST all suck shit and none are worth rewatching. In fact, I wish I’d never seen any of them. 

The OT is great, Rogue One is good, and Andor is fucking fantastic. 

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