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On 5/22/2025 at 10:16 PM, Hate said:

Holy Crap!! I forgot that “One Way Out” and Luthen’s speech were in the same episode. This is just greatness!

I’m in the minority that liked S1 a bit more than S2.

Clearly S2 was still excellent, but I really appreciated the slow build of S1.  I also loved Maarva, Mosk, and Kino, for example, more than the Maya Pei idiots and even Krennec.

And then the speeches that you mention… I don’t remember any from S2 that even approached S1’s.  Luthen’s, Kino’s, Maarva’s, Nemik’s manifesto, all were pretty significantly better than Mon’s Senate speech, and I don’t think anything else in S2 even ranks.

Again, S2 was outstanding in its own right and I’ll rewatch it a ton as well.  I think my argument is that S1 was severely underrated, not that S2 was overrated.

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Mon’s speech in the senate is the best one from season 2, and apparently in canon it’s supposed to be Gettysburg Address level historic, and it is great. But it kinda gets chopped up due to the editing in that part of the episode. That said I think that Luthen’s is the best of the whole series. 

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1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

Mon’s speech in the senate is the best one from season 2, and apparently in canon it’s supposed to be Gettysburg Address level historic, and it is great. But it kinda gets chopped up due to the editing in that part of the episode. That said I think that Luthen’s is the best of the whole series. 

I mean Mon’s speech is an address, and heard by the entire senate and however many people were watching outside of the senate, so I would understand why in canon it’s given that status. 
 

Luthen’s monologue was made by a man who died to a man he eventually killed. There wouldn’t be any record of it in canon lore because the two people involved didn’t survive to make it into lore. 

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I liked Saw’s “let it run wild” speech. There is so much greatness in this show it’s hard to remember them all off the top of your head. 

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34 minutes ago, Hate said:

I liked Saw’s “let it run wild” speech. There is so much greatness in this show it’s hard to remember them all off the top of your head. 

Yeah, I liked that one, too, especially as it’s a different look at the burgeoning rebellion.  Mon and Luther are so careful, so deliberate; and obviously from a storytelling perspective that’s useful because the audience gets a thrill when they are able to drop the mask.  
 

Saw’s speech also helps demonstrate the kind of wild urges suppressed under the empire-he’s an outlaw and rebels against everything, but that urge for freedom is at the root of most of the sympathizers.  

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I started S1 this afternoon.  Wanna watch through R1 again.

Those stupid bitchass cops...and busybody ignoring his( correct) boss.

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14 hours ago, Welch said:

I’m in the minority that liked S1 a bit more than S2.

Clearly S2 was still excellent, but I really appreciated the slow build of S1.  I also loved Maarva, Mosk, and Kino, for example, more than the Maya Pei idiots and even Krennec.

And then the speeches that you mention… I don’t remember any from S2 that even approached S1’s.  Luthen’s, Kino’s, Maarva’s, Nemik’s manifesto, all were pretty significantly better than Mon’s Senate speech, and I don’t think anything else in S2 even ranks.

Again, S2 was outstanding in its own right and I’ll rewatch it a ton as well.  I think my argument is that S1 was severely underrated, not that S2 was overrated.

I don't think you're in the minority. S1 was better. One of the consistently great seasons in television history. People are just lapping up Season 2 because it somehow managed to live up to expectations and be almost as good.

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15 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I don't think you're in the minority. S1 was better. One of the consistently great seasons in television history. People are just lapping up Season 2 because it somehow managed to live up to expectations and be almost as good.

Mmhm

Prefer season 1 pacing. Season 2 overall story was just like, blow my face off good.

Its the best 2 season show I’ve ever seen 

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36 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This is like trying to ask me which of my children I love more. I can love both seasons equally and for different reasons.

I LOVE ALL MY CHILDREN EQUALLY!

earlier that day:

I don’t care for the sequel trilogy 

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

I don't think you're in the minority. S1 was better. One of the consistently great seasons in television history. People are just lapping up Season 2 because it somehow managed to live up to expectations and be almost as good.

S2 didn’t just live up to expectations — it exceeded them. And people “lapping up season 2” is a wild stretch considering everything it achieved thematically with season 1. 

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Yeah…for me I enjoy S2 more than S1 because it weaved a larger story from multiple viewpoints which appealed to me. So yeah… the seemingly backhanded compliment (my assumption) description of it as “people lapping up season 2 because it managed to live up to expectations” is really off for me. 

11 hours ago, Js1 said:

I LOVE ALL MY CHILDREN EQUALLY!

earlier that day:

I don’t care for the sequel trilogy 

After watching the last episode and then rolling into R1. This has prompted me again to visit all the SW films. Warts and all, it’s just such a fun playground of stories. 

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3 hours ago, YChang said:

Yeah…for me I enjoy S2 more than S1 because it weaved a larger story from multiple viewpoints which appealed to me. So yeah… the seemingly backhanded compliment (my assumption) description of it as “people lapping up season 2 because it managed to live up to expectations” is really off for me. 

After watching the last episode and then rolling into R1. This has prompted me again to visit all the SW films. Warts and all, it’s just such a fun playground of stories. 

S2 really does seem to focus more on the overall story arc and intersecting but separate storylines, where the bits in S1 seem to finish more.

Gilroy's writing definitely doesn't lend itself as much to fast-paced action as much as rewarding repeated viewings. That was definitely the case on Rogue 1; initial reactions were that the final third made up for a slow first two acts, while later on people really started to enjoy the character development in the beginning more.

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I just finished the rewatch. It’s just as amazing every time I watch it. I don’t know how any Star Wars fan doesn’t love this. The young Luthan/Kleya flashbacks were outstanding. I think I’d watch a series on how they built their network, but nobody could ever be Luthen other than Stellan.

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So I've seen Season 1 six or seven times and Season 2 three times now.  Would it be weird if I started another re-watch already?  I may need help.

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46 minutes ago, Hate said:

So I've seen Season 1 six or seven times and Season 2 three times now.  Would it be weird if I started another re-watch already?  I may need help.

You're like the Quagmire of Andor.

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4 minutes ago, Hate said:

I guess what I really need to say is "Thank you Andor for finally giving me a reason to hate the Empire".

So... You needed 9 movies, a bunch of cartoons and shows, and then this show to get you to hate the group that created a planet killer, then used it to desteoy Alderaan in the first 5 minutes of the first movie? 

I mean, maybe Alderaan was a shitty place, but it was pretty obvious the Empire being bad was not part of a gotcha plot twist. 

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25 minutes ago, Hate said:

I guess what I really need to say is "Thank you Andor for finally giving me a reason to hate the Empire".

Name checks out

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9 minutes ago, Hate said:

Yeah, I get what you are saying. It’s just different with Andor. It’s personal. 

Oh, I didn’t realize you were from Ferrix. Totally makes sense now. 

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5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh, I didn’t realize you were from Ferrix. Totally makes sense now. 

Maybe he's Ghor. I almost took that personally and I am a slave descendant from Indiana. 

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Werid that it came across my timeline. 
cuz I was finger snapping during andor. 
 

but is the little chunky fellow the same actor in andor. The one that helps syril?
 

I like his character in andor. A little hard charging fellow 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hate said:

I saw this on Reddit…there are about 2.5 weeks between these events.

 

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Maybe but I doubt it. Who knows how long it took for them to find Jyn in rogue one. Could've been weeks or months.

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But you know it was not long before Vader found Leah’s ship. We know that was at most a couple of hours. 
 

and we also know Andor’s next scene is when he shoots the rebel from Saw’s group after confirming the Death Star plans.

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Just because the next scene after Andor kills Tivik is them rescuing Jyn from the work camp doesn't mean it happened hours/days later.  That time in between is undetermined by just watching the movie.  It only feels like it happened soon after because of the pace of the movie.  At that point, the rebellion barely knew who Gaelan Erso was and probably didn't know he had a daughter or where she was.

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Maybe but I doubt it. Who knows how long it took for them to find Jyn in rogue one. Could've been weeks or months.

It took like 10 years to find Jyn, she was a kid and then went to jail after being raised by Saw!

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4 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Do we know what led to Jyn being on that prison camp planet? Is it in canon or no? 

You're currently calling yourself Liana Hallik.

Is that correct?

Possession of unsanctioned weapons, forgery of Imperial documents, aggravated assault, escape from custody, resisting arrest

Imagine if the Imperial authorities had found out who you really were. Jyn Erso?

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