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Makes perfect sense. People don’t really need to have jobs to buy your shit do they?

 

I randomly met Amazons head of global HR a while back. I’ll text her for a comment. 

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3 hours ago, Chopper said:

the first article is from January, the second from today

 

I remember the Apple fiasco. There were theories that Apple was using a form of RAG and screwing up the chunking of news sources as well being too loose with the parameters to make the summaries sound original. All of which is a recipe for hallucinations. 

Generative AI when not properly parameterized and grounded can get a bad case of Munchausen syndrome. This shit is so in the early stages of being developed companies should not be rolling it out as a service.

 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Very cool we're letting this antisocial dipshit shape the entire future of humankind. 

Hey man, he's a rich guy so by the law of the land he can do whatever he wants. Haven't you been paying attention? Something something job creation by destruction 

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The utter contempt these people have for.....human beings....is fucking maddening.

These are literally the LAST sociopathic assholes any sane person would want in charge of shaping society, and we've handed them the reins with functionally no checks or restrictions.  It's fucking suicidal.  These people are flat-out evil.  The word and concept "evil" have existed through eternity for just these sorts of people and situations, and our leaders--social, political, functionally everyone--are just happily handing them the keys to humanity with nothing to restrain them.

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A lot of you AI doomers are giving "Electricity is a deadly and scary new technology" in the 1900's. Won't someone think of the candlemakers and the wax engineers!

CDN media

eta: real anti-electricity cartoon of the 1900s by great-great-great grandpa Brisket DeLedgio

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

shawshank-redemption-how-can-you-be-so-o

This.  If you don't see the stacked club/sit sandwich here:

- aim is to eliminate a huge chunk of jobs, with no sort of replacement, benefiting only a handful of oligarchs who will save even more money and thus make more profit

- AI has no real ethical guardrails.  They say it does, and pay lip service to it, but they are doing all they can to create a system that would reach conclusions like "to help humanity, half of humanity has to die," and THE OLIGARCHS AGREE WITH THAT ANSWER.  They have literally said so.

- AI is simultaneously driving 93% of our GDP growth....while also being largely based on pie-in-the-sky "potential" AND self-funded investment (AI companies invest money in buying their own product, so they can show both 1) capital investment and 2) revenue on their financials, counting the same dollar in each category)

And more.

But let's listen to oligarchs who have openly said they don't care if we die in droves, who say that "empathy is evil," etc.  They clearly seem to have our best interests in mind.

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

A lot of you AI doomers are giving "Electricity is a deadly and scary new technology" in the 1900's. Won't someone think of the candlemakers and the wax engineers!

CDN media

eta: real anti-electricity cartoon of the 1900s by great-great-great grandpa Brisket DeLedgio

I'm old enough to remember the "internet" hysteria.  It was going to end tens of millions of jobs.  Conversely it created hundreds of millions over the decades.  

Altman is correct in that many jobs are duplicative and unnecessary.  AI is going to end some of these.  I'm sure there were thousands of farriers that were not super happy with the advent of the automobile.  I remember as a kid the "Britannica" guy who sold us our first set.  Overall, it's transformative process.  Not outright elimination.  

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33 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  If you don't see the stacked club/sit sandwich here:

- aim is to eliminate a huge chunk of jobs, with no sort of replacement, benefiting only a handful of oligarchs who will save even more money and thus make more profit

- AI has no real ethical guardrails.  They say it does, and pay lip service to it, but they are doing all they can to create a system that would reach conclusions like "to help humanity, half of humanity has to die," and THE OLIGARCHS AGREE WITH THAT ANSWER.  They have literally said so.

- AI is simultaneously driving 93% of our GDP growth....while also being largely based on pie-in-the-sky "potential" AND self-funded investment (AI companies invest money in buying their own product, so they can show both 1) capital investment and 2) revenue on their financials, counting the same dollar in each category)

And more.

But let's listen to oligarchs who have openly said they don't care if we die in droves, who say that "empathy is evil," etc.  They clearly seem to have our best interests in mind.

How is what you are saying ANY different than any other time in history when we've been confronted with a monumental shift via a technological disruption (or revolution, as they are typically called e.g. Industrial, PC, Mobile, and now AI)?

Seriously you are just playing the same hits that the doomers of those times played but with a modern backing track and click timer in your ear to keep the beat a little better. 

I'm actually astonished at how so many folks who claim to be progressive are full of fear with the progession of technology. 

As Dr. Malcolm once said, er, um, erhm, uhhh.....[after massive societal disruptions and advancements and growing pains, American Society and] life will find a way."

11 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I'm old enough to remember the "internet" hysteria.  It was going to end tens of millions of jobs.  Conversely it created hundreds of millions over the decades.  

Altman is correct in that many jobs are duplicative and unnecessary.  AI is going to end some of these.  I'm sure there were thousands of farriers that were not super happy with the advent of the automobile.  I remember as a kid the "Britannica" guy who sold us our first set.  Overall, it's transformative process.  Not outright elimination.  

It's like with physics and math, it's hard to breakthrough because you have to think about the problems and frameworks and what could be so differently than what currently is, and I think it's hard for most of us to visualize until hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to these truly disruptive times as aforementioned.

But hey,

Maybe, just maybe, this time is the different and this is REALLY the one-- the one time where we will extinct ourselves and truly be the downfall of human beings and ruin ourselves.

Also, maybe the next time someone gives an exact date and time the world is going to end they would be the first to be right as well.

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

How is what you are saying ANY different than any other time in history when we've been confronted with a monumental shift via a technological disruption (or revolution, as they are typically called e.g. Industrial, PC, Mobile, and now AI)?

Seriously you are just playing the same hits that the doomers of those times played but with a modern backing track and click timer in your ear to keep the beat a little better. 

I'm actually astonished at how so many folks who claim to be progressive are full of fear with the progession of technology. 

As Dr. Malcolm once said, er, um, erhm, uhhh.....[after massive societal disruptions and advancements and growing pains, American Society and] life will find a way."

It's like with physics and math, it's hard to breakthrough because you have to think about the problems and frameworks and what could be so differently than what currently is, and I think it's hard for most of us to visualize until hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to these truly disruptive times as aforementioned.

But hey,

Maybe, just maybe, this time is the different and this is REALLY the one-- the one time where we will extinct ourselves and truly be the downfall of human beings and ruin ourselves.

Also, maybe the next time someone gives an exact date and time the world is going to end they would be the first to be right as well.

I'm still waiting on my flying car....

We'll see massive initial leaps in efficiency.  Paper pushers.  Compilers.  Researchers.  Analysts.  Reporting.  Forms and filings.  All that shit becomes instantaneous.  

At the end of the day, you're either on the credit or debit side of the balance sheet.  And for most that are on the debit side, what real value or savings is being realized by your work?  For many it's substantial, but not all.    

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21 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

But hey,

Maybe, just maybe, this time is the different and this is REALLY the one-- the one time where we will extinct ourselves and truly be the downfall of human beings and ruin ourselves.

Also, maybe the next time someone gives an exact date and time the world is going to end they would be the first to be right as well.

I'm not as doom and gloom as most. However, if we look at the micro level and focus on the US only, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out here. After all in our current climate we have the least amount of safeguards when it comes to AI regulation, development, and overall job protection, especially compared to the EU and parts of Asia, for example.

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1 minute ago, YChang said:

I'm not as doom and gloom as most. However, if we look at the micro level and focus on the US only, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out here. After all in our current climate we have the least amount of safeguards when it comes to AI regulation, development, and overall job protection, especially compared to the EU and parts of Asia, for example.

Which is why, it's been argued, we are the leaders....

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5 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Which is why, it's been argued, we are the leaders....

<shrug> Leaders in making money? Sure. On that you might be right. We don't know yet when it comes to AI and its impact on society though. 

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I don’t know if the jury is out on the Internet. I think it has made America worse in a lot of ways: I think it’s played a big role in declining real standards of living for the average American, increased social polarization, increased social isolation, and more. I don’t think the marginal conveniences it brings to my day to day outweigh that. I think our society was objectively healthier in the late 1990s before broad consumer adoption.
 

  Maybe the Insta thots do make it worth it. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I don’t know if the jury is out on the Internet. I think it has made America worse in a lot of ways: I think it’s played a big role in declining real standards of living for the average American, increased social polarization, increased social isolation, and more. I don’t think the marginal conveniences it brings to my day to day outweigh that. I think our society was objectively healthier in the late 1990s before broad consumer adoption.
 

  Maybe the Insta thots do make it worth it. 

All I'm saying is the constant AI doom and gloom and ruining life and society, especially from old people and people of my generation, is giving the Mexican Fishing story, as the kids say. 

And I get it. At a certain age and disposition, I don't have the energy for the disruption. I'm old and tired and on the downside of the slope along with all the other old fogies on here, and I'm overrotating a little here today to be provocative, but the point is let's add some balance to the conversation. AI isn't going to usher in utopia, but it's also not going to be the fall of mankind. The doom feels unneccesary and even lazy at this point.

No matter what you believe, I think we all agree that AI is out of the tube and there is no way backwards. Boom, bust or otherwise.

Posted
6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Very cool we're letting this antisocial dipshit shape the entire future of humankind. 

He'll be shocked when the pitchforks come out.  He better be reading up on his Aldous Huxley and figuring out how to keep the out-of-work masses placated.

Neil Postman wrote a book back in the 1980s talking about Huxley (contrasting with Brisketexan George Orwell's 1984) and summed it up nicely (decades before Facebook and streaming):

What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.

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For me it’s not the changing technology.  I’m fine with that.

What does piss me off about it is that it really isn’t good. It’s not really AI, it’s a glorified lookup service.

The masses are being sold on a bunch of snake oil, currently, with no end in sight.

It’s a start, sure, but what it is today is not sustainable, and not even close to what it should be.

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