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Posted
1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think a lot of them are going to go with this argument in the end.  Their cult will believe it.


unless they have judge cannon, the judge is going to break it off in them 

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https://www.threads.net/t/Cu7duV0uL0o/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
The target letter sent to Trump on Sunday contained a surprise: a likely indictment under Section 241, first enacted right after the Civil War. I unpack that law in today’s piece and show why Trump should be very concerned. open.substack.com/pub/s…

From the article:

“It is difficult for me to think of another president in modern time who has literally driven a national scheme to disenfranchise Black voters and other voters of color en masse, in the way that we see with these post-election lawsuits,” said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law during the aftermath of the November 2020 elections.

Happens to now be the head of civil rights for DOJ.

Maybe the orange shithead will get lynched.
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Posted
3 hours ago, The Dog said:

https://www.threads.net/t/Cu7duV0uL0o/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

The target letter sent to Trump on Sunday contained a surprise: a likely indictment under Section 241, first enacted right after the Civil War. I unpack that law in today’s piece and show why Trump should be very concerned. open.substack.com/pub/s…

I really don't see the point of a lawyer doing an analysis of precedents any because precedents seems to not matter much in the end any more.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I really don't see the point of a lawyer doing an analysis of precedents any because precedents seems to not matter much in the end any more.

Precedents don't matter, sometimes, at the Supreme Court.  Most everywhere else, they do.  Ninety-nine percent of cases don't make it to the Supreme Court.

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Posted
1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Precedents don't matter, sometimes, at the Supreme Court.  Most everywhere else, they do.  Ninety-nine percent of cases don't make it to the Supreme Court.

Yes, but do you see what thread you're in?

Posted
5 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Yes, but do you see what thread you're in?

Care to guess how many Trump cases have made it to the Supreme Court?  And how many he's won?

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Posted
53 minutes ago, The Dog said:

NBC News confirms: Rudy Giuliani met with attorneys for Special Counsel Jack Smith's team for two mornings earlier this year at the Special Counsel's request in New York City. @MSNBC

Heeyy Donnie - yer lawyer is ratting on yer ass!

That's been a really odd thing about Trump - given how fast he'll sell out people close to him, how fast he'll trash them, how he's stiffed various people for bills over the years, and just how much he projects - you'd think he'd be suspicious of the people around him turning state's evidence on him, since he would do it on them.

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21 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

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Actually, one.  Speaking here of course where Trump is a party and/or it closely pertains to his personal affairs.  The Mazars case gave him a bit of wiggle room against Congressional subpoenas.  And, that's an issue that's important to the office of the president, regardless of who sits in it, so a bit unusual for a Trump case.

The rest are like everyone and everything else:  cert. denied.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Trial set for May per radio.

In Florida?  Kinda love that.  The primary will be over, and if they're smart, Christie/Rhonda/etc. will get to spend 6 months going after him for it, them the convention will be in July.  They'll be stuck with Trump at that point and it will cast a shadow over their convention 2 months later. 

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Posted (edited)

That seems long enough to help Trump but not egregious enough to get bench slapped by the 11th. 

And while I hate to give her credit for any move other than pure protect Trump, at some level she has to realize if she agreed with a date close to what Jack Smith wanted Trump and his goons would be after her and her staff. So she is in a pickle.

She also knows nothing about the issues, has no experience, and so likely needs a bunch of time to figure stuff out.  She needs her assisting Trump to pass appellate muster and not get her recused, and has to do a better job figuring out how to help him than her last efforts. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So many trials, so little time. 

It's what you look for when electing a President of the United States. 

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I've said it for a year, just like Judge Kavenaugh at his Senate conformation hearings.  This whole thing will come down to calendars.  These big, beautiful calendars. 

They can begin in Georgia later this year into very early 2024.  Where they put January 6th though is anyone's guess.  Probably the last of the big 4.  I forget he's already had two just earlier this year.  But Georgia is the one that's probably the most "good-to-go" in that it doesn't require a lot of hurdles around classified materials and dozens of witnesses.  But he's got to navigate the three consecutive ones plus J6.  Georgia could conceivably run parallel to Manhattan's case as well.  But early debate season should be pretty quiet (August-November), but he'll fuck it up and not show up to any of them even though that's one of his few strong suits (I mean he's a joke of a fact based orator, but he does tend to mop the floor with the emotions of everyone else up there with him).  But then the four cases come along for all of 2024's campaign season.  Debates, primaries, grifts-I mean-rallies & fundraisers, and the convention.  Nobody, even with their own plane, can keep that up at his age and weight with all that stress looming over him.  He thinks he's invincible but his body won't be.  It's gonna take a serious toll on him basically from Nov 2023 to Nov 2024.  I think he dies.  Even if he doesn't, even with all the voter suppression they can muster, his ceiling is 75mm votes...more likely 65-70mm.  They're already focusing on voter obstacles in the wrong states.  

When the RNC reveals the final schedule of primaries.  We need a spreadsheet to lay on top of that with 4 columns with the key dates in the 4 trials.  Plus a column for the debates.  Then the Trump rallies/official MAGA events column.  And some others TBD.

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3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

J6 is the one where the most damaging info is going to come out of.  That one definitely needs to happen before the election.

I don’t think anything coming from that one will be particularly damaging short of incarceration.

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Posted (edited)

There's gonna be some absolutely vile text messages and emails that come out during that trial.

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14 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

  He thinks he's invincible but his body won't be.  It's gonna take a serious toll on him basically from Nov 2023 to Nov 2024.  I think he dies. 

What physical derailment has Trump suffered in his entire life? Serious question. He's a fat tub of shit, but is there any record of him requiring a non-elective surgery or having any even remotely strenuous ailment? Him catching Covid-19 while POTUS may have been the sickest he's been in his entire life.

 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And a lot of people, particularly elected officials inside both the GOP Senate and House caucuses, are going to be named in those texts and emails.

Looking at you, Marge, Hawley, etc.

It's going to glorious watching them squirm and people need to reminded before November that it wasn't a peaceful rally and that team Trump was actively working to overthrow the government and it got people killed.

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9 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It's going to glorious watching them squirm and people need to reminded before November that it wasn't a peaceful rally and that team Trump was actively working to overthrow the government and it got people killed.

Half the country won't care.

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Posted
1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Interesting take - this could be more about logistics than anything else.

As someone who regularly works with courts on scheduling matters, and dealing with conflicting scheduling obligations (my clients may not have multiple trial dates next year, but I, their lead counsel, sure do), that approach is not surprising.  Yes, we may have a preferred window...say, March.  But there's a hard conflict.  And January is going to be too early, based on the anticipated schedule.  And we have to allow cushion for the March trial to run long.  So, we set the next trial in May.

28 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Half the country won't care.

Correct.

28 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

everyone thinks they are untouchable right up until the time they aren't. 

Also, sometimes the clock runs out so a person ends up never facing any consequences.  Karma does NOT always come through.  Some terrible people walk through their entire lives without ever having to face the music.

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J6 is the one where the most damaging info is going to come out of.  That one definitely needs to happen before the election.

As if there is anything - literally and truly anything at all - that will change a mind that has already been made up for a Trump voter.

Maybe there are still a few dozen people that are looking to be persuaded. The other tens of millions might as well vote tomorrow for as much as anything matters.
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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

As someone who regularly works with courts on scheduling matters, and dealing with conflicting scheduling obligations (my clients may not have multiple trial dates next year, but I, their lead counsel, sure do), that approach is not surprising.  Yes, we may have a preferred window...say, March.  But there's a hard conflict.  And January is going to be too early, based on the anticipated schedule.  And we have to allow cushion for the March trial to run long.  So, we set the next trial in May.

Correct.

Also, sometimes the clock runs out so a person ends up never facing any consequences.  Karma does NOT always come through.  Some terrible people walk through their entire lives without ever having to face the music.

who gives a shit if half the country cares or not. this is about justice not anything else.

 

i cant think of anyone who has ever walked through life without any consequence. life is brutal. and generally, karma is a bitch. it may not happen when you or i want it to but very rarely does it miss someone who deserves it. i cant think of any truly horrible person that didnt end up getting fucked 15 different ways by Karma. he will get his and it will be glorious to watch. he aint special. he doesnt have any magic. hell, the dude has had karma shit all over him in just about every endeavor he has ever been involved in. he just covers it up and pretends like the shit sandwiches he has been forced to eat over and over again were really caviar. but nah, he isnt a unicorn. he is just a rich white dude who has been afforded every advantage thus far. well that all stopped when he got indicted in NY and then in FL and now he is about to find out in GA and DC. the dude is fucked and he is going to fucking pay for all the absolutely stupid shit he has done. and im going to be laughing the entire time. he is responsible for millions of deaths worldwide (including my brother and my mother-in-law) and i will be cheering at his.

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1 minute ago, Longhorn94 said:

who gives a shit if half the country cares or not. this is about justice not anything else.

 

i cant think of anyone who has ever walked through life without any consequence. life is brutal. and generally, karma is a bitch. it may not happen when you or i want it to but very rarely does it miss someone who deserves it. i cant think of any truly horrible person that didnt end up getting fucked 15 different ways by Karma. he will get his and it will be glorious to watch. he aint special. he doesnt have any magic. hell, the dude has had karma shit all over him in just about every endeavor he has ever been involved in. he just covers it up and pretends like the shit sandwiches he has been forced to eat over and over again were really caviar. but nah, he isnt a unicorn. he is just a rich white dude who has been afforded every advantage thus far. well that all stopped when he got indicted in NY and then in FL and now he is about to find out in GA and DC. the dude is fucked and he is going to fucking pay for all the absolutely stupid shit he has done. and im going to be laughing the entire time. he is responsible for millions of deaths worldwide and i will be cheering at his.

Your lips to karma's ears. George W caused the deaths of a massive amount of people, and he seems to be doing just fine.

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2 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

i cant think of any truly horrible person that didnt end up getting fucked 15 different ways by Karma.

Huh.  Maybe I've just had the misfortune of knowing a lot of awful human beings.  And I have.  And I'm guessing you'd be surprised by how many of them never really had to face any significant consequences.  They were born assholes, lived as assholes, and died as assholes, and life never dealt them any unusually bad consequences.  They still had their money, social standing, etc.  I've just seen too many people get through this life being shitty with minimal consequences to count on karma settling the score.

Kind of like I've also known some really good and decent people who just can't seem to catch a break.  Plenty of good people get shit on by the universe, as right next to them, a shitty person skates on by.

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2 minutes ago, Restless Native said:

Your lips to karma's ears. George W caused the deaths of a massive amount of people, and he seems to be doing just fine.

that is a whole different 100+ page conversation. Im not sure how to rectify Texas Governor Bush with Prez W but I would lay most of the above on Dick Cheney and his merry band of dipshits. and then down the rabbit hole we go....

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  Maybe I've just had the misfortune of knowing a lot of awful human beings.  And I have.  And I'm guessing you'd be surprised by how many of them never really had to face any significant consequences.  They were born assholes, lived as assholes, and died as assholes, and life never dealt them any unusually bad consequences.  They still had their money, social standing, etc.  I've just seen too many people get through this life being shitty with minimal consequences to count on karma settling the score.

Kind of like I've also known some really good and decent people who just can't seem to catch a break.  Plenty of good people get shit on by the universe, as right next to them, a shitty person skates on by.

i hear you and mostly agree with you as that applies to everyday people who are just shitty. life is often random and unkind. but i thought we were talking about truly horrific people like Trump.

Posted
12 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Every little bit helps when it comes to Trump voters.

Does it, tho?

Even a video showing Trump raping a 10-year-old boy while whispering the nuclear codes into Putin's ear wouldn't change their minds.  They'd all say that's nothing compared to what's on Hunter's laptop and Hillary's email server.

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Interesting take - this could be more about logistics than anything else.

 

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

So many trials, so little time. 

 

Bingo. His schedule is packed with all the crimes he has to defend himself against.

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Not including Georgia and J6

 

🤣

 

59 minutes ago, kevwun said:

There's gonna be some absolutely vile text messages and emails that come out during that trial.

 

43 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Half the country won't care.

 

Half? Oh, the number of people who still legitimately support him is far, far less than that, now. He never had half the country's support to begin with. And a good portion of the country who voted for him the first time regrets it now. Maybe y'all don't see it so much, since a lot of y'all live in a red state.

The problem is that the GOP knows this, too, which is why they are attacking democracy directly and openly now, doing everything possible to win the presidency with Trump now, and then ensure he never, every steps down. It's a horrifying deal with the devil they've made as a last desperate gasp to keep a dying party alive.

 

5 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

who gives a shit if half the country cares or not. this is about justice not anything else.

 

i cant think of anyone who has ever walked through life without any consequence. life is brutal. and generally, karma is a bitch. it may not happen when you or i want it to but very rarely does it miss someone who deserves it. i cant think of any truly horrible person that didnt end up getting fucked 15 different ways by Karma. he will get his and it will be glorious to watch. he aint special. he doesnt have any magic. hell, the dude has had karma shit all over him in just about every endeavor he has ever been involved in. he just covers it up and pretends like the shit sandwiches he has been forced to eat over and over again were really caviar. but nah, he isnt a unicorn. he is just a rich white dude who has been afforded every advantage thus far. well that all stopped when he got indicted in NY and then in FL and now he is about to find out in GA and DC. the dude is fucked and he is going to fucking pay for all the absolutely stupid shit he has done. and im going to be laughing the entire time. he is responsible for millions of deaths worldwide (including my brother and my mother-in-law) and i will be cheering at his.

 

Welcome to the joys of being born rich.

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8 minutes ago, Restless Native said:

Your lips to karma's ears. George W caused the deaths of a massive amount of people, and he seems to be doing just fine.

Wrong thread, but this is mostly a nonsense take. If Gore had been elected, he would've had to do the same thing.

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3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Trial set for May per radio.D5215202-8CA5-4B93-8B87-33833D7DB90B.jpeg.8733400a75160483b688e2c0ea15a4d5.jpeg

This won't be her last delay.  She's still firmly on Team MAGA, just playing it smarter this time.  This trial will not happen before the election, I'd lay money on it.

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Does it, tho?

Even a video showing Trump raping a 10-year-old boy while whispering the nuclear codes into Putin's ear wouldn't change their minds.  They'd all say that's nothing compared to what's on Hunter's laptop and Hillary's email server.

true. i dont give a shit if that third of the population ever changes their mind. they are beyond saving. but they know they are wrong. they know they are racist pieces of shit. and they bemoan that they have to apologize for it but their shame always shines through in a frustrated way that they have to apologize for being racist and sexist and for not caring about those who are most at risk. i mean how can you expect them to when they first have to worry about taxes, and govt spending on programs that help the vulnerable, and dont get me started on focusing on battling Disney for the hearts and souls of the children that Disney is trying to infect with the gay. I just shame them with Jesus's words until they finally give in or walk away... my point is we just need to force those people back into their holes and shame them into shutting the fuck up. its not ok to have any of those views and its certainly not ok for you to voice them or act on them or vote for them.

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8 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Half? Oh, the number of people who still legitimately support him is far, far less than that, now. He never had half the country's support to begin with. And a good portion of the country who voted for him the first time regrets it now. Maybe y'all don't see it so much, since a lot of y'all live in a red state.

This.  He has never gotten 50% of the vote or had 50% support.

2016: 231m eligible VAP, 63m voted for Trump (28% of eligible VAP, so almost 2 out of 3 voting age adults did not support him)
2020: 239m eligible VAP, 74m voted for Trump (31% of eligible VAP, so still almost 2 out of 3 voting age adults did not support him)

He averaged 41% approval during his time in office.  Far from 50%.  He left office at 34%.  

Half the country does not support him.  Half of eligible voting age adults do not support him.  He's never even gotten 50% of the vote, so half of Americans who voted do not support him either. 

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6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This.  He has never gotten 50% of the vote or had 50% support.

2016: 231m eligible VAP, 63m voted for Trump (28% of eligible VAP, so almost 2 out of 3 voting age adults did not support him)
2020: 239m eligible VAP, 74m voted for Trump (31% of eligible VAP, so still almost 2 out of 3 voting age adults did not support him)

He averaged 41% approval during his time in office.  Far from 50%.  He left office at 34%.  

Bingo.

And like I said above, the biggest problem with repeating "half the country supports him" is that it masks the direct, multi-front assault on democracy that the GOP is waging right now.

Those words -- "half the country supports him" -- are a lie created by the GOP to justify their election interference, ballot stuffing, gerrymandering, and voter disenfranchisement: You can't say we're attacking democracy if half the country supports this outcome!

BUT THEY DON'T SO STOP REPEATING A REPUBLICAN LIE

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my favorite is after i have shamed them with Jesus's words, they mostly fall back on "well i really just support his economic policies" and then its on like Donkey Kong... TELL ME ONE OF TRUMP's ECONOMIC POLICIES THAT YOU AGREE WITH AND ACTUALLY WORKED!!!

 

that fucker took a brilliant and hot economy and ran it into the fucking ditch over and over and over again with the stupidest economic policies in the history of ever. his one consistent economic policy was to do the opposite of whatever the black man in the tan suit did. agree with his economic policies my ass. you supported him because he made you feel good about your hatred of brown people. its just that fucking simple.

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It's what you look for when electing a President of the United States. 

No shit….

These are headlines that used to come out of places like Cambodia and Bolivia…

Every accusation is a confession…Dotard literally did his best to turn us into a shit hole country.
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21 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

that is a whole different 100+ page conversation. Im not sure how to rectify Texas Governor Bush with Prez W but I would lay most of the above on Dick Cheney and his merry band of dipshits. and then down the rabbit hole we go....

Didn't mean to derail. I actually hope you are right about karma biting Trump's fat orange ass. It's just, this last decade or so has turned me into an elite-level pessimist.

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