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45 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

ND probably kills the ACC - they’re holding a press conference and I bet they cancel their ACC membership. 

That league can’t survive without them. 

There is enough talent in the ACC region of the US for them to have competitive teams and rival the B12. ND needs the ACC as no other power conference will allow them to schedule 8 games a year. ND with USC yearly and a sun belt schedule would rival UConn in a decade. NBC would tell them to kick rocks when they have James Madison on the schedule every year. 

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33 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Maybe I am misremembering but didn't a ton of players from FSU opt out of the bowl game?  Not just players that were going to the NFL, but players more or less acting the same as Notre Dame

They did, but FSU at least showed up. FSU was a pretty senior-heavy team IIRC.

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I think Notre Dame significantly overvalues themselves in the year of our lord 2025.    They don't draw near what they used to.   Notre Dame Miami had 10.8MM viewers, A&M/Notre Dame had 6.2MM and Notre Dame USC had 4.6MM.   

To put it in perspective, Texas/OSU had 16.6MM, Texas/TAMU had 13MM, Texas/UGA had 10.43MM and Ohio St. Michigan had top rated game of year at 18MM.

Notre Dame's TV deal with NBC runs through 2029 and they aren't pulling their weight with other Blue Bloods as is.  But if you combine that with the absolute fact that SEC and Big 10 blue bloods absolutely should not be scheduling ND going forward given our experience this year, they desperately need the ACC alliance in order to fill out a schedule (shitty as it is).

This is a real opportunity for the rest of the College Football powers to fucking put ND in their place and further devalue their brand. 

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2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think Notre Dame significantly overvalues themselves in the year of our lord 2025.    They don't draw near what they used to.   Notre Dame Miami had 10.8MM viewers, A&M/Notre Dame had 6.2MM and Notre Dame USC had 4.6MM.   

To put it in perspective, Texas/OSU had 16.6MM, Texas/TAMU had 13MM, Texas/UGA had 10.43MM and Ohio St. Michigan had top rated game of year at 18MM.

Notre Dame's TV deal with NBC runs through 2029 and they aren't pulling their weight with other Blue Bloods as is.  But if you combine that with the absolute fact that SEC and Big 10 blue bloods absolutely should not be scheduling ND going forward given our experience this year, they desperately need the ACC alliance in order to fill out a schedule (shitty as it is).

This is a real opportunity for the rest of the College Football powers to fucking put ND in their place and further devalue their brand. 

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

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Is it though? We sold out the stadium for terrible G5 teams this season. What cash bonanza is the program getting from a Notre Dame series than playing Purdue? I don't think TV networks bump up your pay if you get them a sexy OOC matchup to broadcast. I'm imagine the city of Austin does better than Texas does when a big name matchup happens at DKR. Are we basing this on more expensive tickets for a Notre Dame game than someone else?

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Is it though? We sold out the stadium for terrible G5 teams this season. 

But would ticket prices be higher for those G5 teams, or for ND? Would the season ticket package be higher for a schedule that had ND instead of a G5?

*To be clear, I recognize that the actual difference is small relative to the entire athletic budget, but I have seen essentially no blue blood or other big program take any step that doesn't attempt to squeeze very dime out of the system that it can. 

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Just now, Michael Knight said:

ND could kill the ACC but then where do they go, the Big 10 and SEC won't give them the sweetheart deal

I feel like the B1G eventually would. They've listed over ND for eternity, and they'd welcome the little bump they'd get from having ND guaranteed on their TV deal 6 times a year. 

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5 minutes ago, LTbear said:

But would ticket prices be higher for those G5 teams, or for ND? Would the season ticket package be higher for a schedule that had ND instead of a G5?

*To be clear, I recognize that the actual difference is small relative to the entire athletic budget, but I have seen essentially no blue blood or other big program take any step that doesn't attempt to squeeze very dime out of the system that it can. 

I would imagine going forward, the SEC is going to drop the P4 rule. The Big 10 doesn't require it and Indiana is certainly lining up 3 cupcakes at home now. If the SEC does the same, it would make sense that we only schedule teams willing to come to DKR. That way you always have 7 home games versus 6 in years we would normally go to the away leg of a P4. 

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12 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.  And with 9 conference games there will be plenty of high quality matchups to keep tix in demand.  Texas and other Big Brands aren't going to value fucking stubhub making extra fees off third party sales over maximizing opportunities to make the playoffs.   The extra few hundred thousand in revenue a ND home game might bring in is meaningless not to mention it would be a net loss compared to another team like Syracuse or someone that might agree to a 2 for 1.

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Just now, Skipper said:

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.  And with 9 conference games there will be plenty of high quality matchups to keep tix in demand.  Texas and other Big Brands aren't going to value fucking stubhub making extra fees off third party sales over maximizing opportunities to make the playoffs.   The extra few hundred thousand in revenue a ND home game might bring in is meaningless not to mention it would be a net loss compared to another team like Syracuse or someone that might agree to a 2 for 1.

See my last post

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Just now, Skipper said:

Your last post was equally wrong.

Great insight. Here, my point is simple: I've never seen big time college brands do anything that doesn't get them more money, so I am skeptical they would do so now. Even if Texas didn't want to schedule ND, I have no doubt second-level teams like Aggy, Auburn, Tennessee, etc. would. 

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21 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

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Just now, BigHornedLurker said:

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

Listen, I hope you're right. ND's holier than thou attitude is bullshit. That new agreement that says they have to get in the playoff if ranked in the top 12 (which, had that taken effect this year, means they would have bumped Miami) is even further horseshit. 

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3 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

Agreed and it's all very interesting to me.  Because ND is going to have a seat at the table negotiating playoff expansion.   Unless ND already has a handshake deal with Sankey or Petiti to support a preferred plan, ND's temper tantrum the last 24 hours appears on its face to be really poor negotiating strategy and not accurately "reading the room" regarding their current value to this sport because they don't have a lot of cards to play.  ND played ONE top 20 rated game the entire season.   With committee treatment of TX @ OSU, you already have multiple programs and/or coaches in addition to Sark (I saw Elko for example said as much) questioning the value of scheduling marquee OOC games.    ND is in a position where they could very well get shutout if they aren't holding hands with someone.  It seems emotional and poorly thought out to publicly attack the ACC.  Both those entities need each other.

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52 minutes ago, Skipper said:

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.

Yep, I was there for UTEP, and DKR was as full for that game as it was for Vandy.

Those big games are for TV.  The ancillary benefit to the schools is a TV payout (I assume?) and a cool road trip for the fans. But it's not as if Texas and Notre Dame need each other to fill their stadiums.

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I don't understand where Notre Dame's leverage is coming from.  They need the CFP more than the CFP needs them.  If Notre Dame whines and cries and refused to sign onto whatever CFP arrangement is ratified by the conferences, their recruiting will absolutely tank - why would any player with options go to a school that can't win a national championship?  What fan would think a playoff champion would be illegitimate because a weakened Notre Dame wasn't participating?  

Notre Dame deserves no special treatment - they are not bigger than the sport.  If they want the protections and guarantees affording to conferences, they should join a conference.  If they insist on being independent then they get treated as any other independent.  If their record and strength of schedule merit inclusion, they are eligible to be included.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Why do so many administrators feel the need to bend the knee to Notre Dame?  What on earth can Notre Dame possibly do?  They have no leverage, yet they make demands and expect special treatment.

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13 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Why is domer angry at the ACC? 

Because the ACC should have lobbied for ND, a partial member, over Miami, a full member. Obviously. 

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4 minutes ago, someguy said:

I don't understand where Notre Dame's leverage is coming from.  They need the CFP more than the CFP needs them.  If Notre Dame whines and cries and refused to sign onto whatever CFP arrangement is ratified by the conferences, their recruiting will absolutely tank - why would any player with options go to a school that can't win a national championship?  What fan would think a playoff champion would be illegitimate because a weakened Notre Dame wasn't participating?  

Notre Dame deserves no special treatment - they are not bigger than the sport.  If they want the protections and guarantees affording to conferences, they should join a conference.  If they insist on being independent then they get treated as any other independent.  If their record and strength of schedule merit inclusion, they are eligible to be included.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Why do so many administrators feel the need to bend the knee to Notre Dame?  What on earth can Notre Dame possibly do?  They have no leverage, yet they make demands and expect special treatment.

I think the NBC TV contract has these administrators fooled into thinking that Notre Dame is the biggest brand in all of sports, and thus, they must have them included in whatever they do.

These are the same administrators who think private equity would be good for schools, who designed the CFP and comprised the current committee, and who give coaches insane contracts with insane buyouts and then fire them after 3-4 years.  These aren't smart people.

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.  And with 9 conference games there will be plenty of high quality matchups to keep tix in demand.  Texas and other Big Brands aren't going to value fucking stubhub making extra fees off third party sales over maximizing opportunities to make the playoffs.   The extra few hundred thousand in revenue a ND home game might bring in is meaningless not to mention it would be a net loss compared to another team like Syracuse or someone that might agree to a 2 for 1.

this.  Im not sure how it is a Cash Bonanza!tm  

Can it make the overall SEC TV package be worth more?  Sure, but I think it is on the margins.  The actual game revenue to Texas is minimal.  Dodds used to say that the 2 teams we want relationships with are ND and OU.  That time is gone.  The time is now to force ND to a conference.

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On the ND 247 board, their mods are saying that the word they're hearing is that ND thinks the way forward is to dim down the ACC agreement to 2 games per year, and then cut the same deal with the Big 10, SEC and Big 12. Keep the Navy game, of course, and one other G6, like Rice next year, as an example, and then mix in 2 random home and homes with teams not in the rotation during each year from the P4. 

Move all of the non-revenue to the Big East. 

That's from people at ND talking to them off the record, it seems. 

There isn't a single poster on that board that wants to stick with the ACC deal they have. They appear to actually hate it. 

For the first in any of our lives, there are also more than a few folks on their end advocating for joining a conference. Not the majority of the posters, but other times I've read their boards, if someone mentions such a thing, they're shouted down by a chorus of haters. Not right now. 

It's pretty interesting. I fully expect Texas to announce that they're pulling out of the ND series and replacing it with a Stanford or NC State series any day now. What happens when others follow suit? That seems like it would force ND to get real about a future with a conference. 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

It's pretty interesting. I fully expect Texas to announce that they're pulling out of the ND series and replacing it with a Stanford or NS State series any day now. What happens when others follow suit? That seems like it would force ND to get real about a future with a conference. 

Historically speaking I’d prefer we find some different options. I’m not yet ready to face either of those teams again…

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The only thing that ND has a right to be pissed off at is that the committee jerked them off for weeks making them think they were safe, and then pulled the rug out from under them at the last minute. 

I think it's fucking hilarious, but if it were me I'd be pissed. Other than that, their resume is trash. 

8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

On the ND 247 board, their mods are saying that the word they're hearing is that ND thinks the way forward is to dim down the ACC agreement to 2 games per year, and then cut the same deal with the Big 10, SEC and Big 12. Keep the Navy game, of course, and one other G6, like Rice next year, as an example, and then mix in 2 random home and homes with teams not in the rotation during each year from the P4. 

 

Would the other conferences even be receptive to that? My hope is that they wouldn't, but money is money. What is the difference in $$ for a team that regularly sells out its stadium in playing ND vs. a home/home with NC State or Stanford, to use your hypothetical? 

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4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

ND to SEC?

It's a joke but it's politically correct. Everyone except me is pretending that the ACC kept us out of the college football playoff, because they lobbied for a total of one team in the playoff.  Isn't that their job? 

 

We were actually kept out of the playoffs by SEC #5.  The SEC has so much power in the media that, l no one is questioning whether the $EC deserved its 5th best team in the top 12.  You have a good conference but it is not so good that number five is head and shoulders above anyone else. 

 

And the helmet cancels any question about whether Alabama really was the 5th best team.  Could Texas beat Auburn by more than one touchdown?

4 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

I'm not. That ND team finished with a worse record than Strong and Texas did

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Well, just because they did not call this targeting does not mean there were no concussive effects. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

On the ND 247 board, their mods are saying that the word they're hearing is that ND thinks the way forward is to dim down the ACC agreement to 2 games per year, and then cut the same deal with the Big 10, SEC and Big 12. Keep the Navy game, of course, and one other G6, like Rice next year, as an example, and then mix in 2 random home and homes with teams not in the rotation during each year from the P4. 

Move all of the non-revenue to the Big East. 

That's from people at ND talking to them off the record, it seems. 

There isn't a single poster on that board that wants to stick with the ACC deal they have. They appear to actually hate it. 

For the first in any of our lives, there are also more than a few folks on their end advocating for joining a conference. Not the majority of the posters, but other times I've read their boards, if someone mentions such a thing, they're shouted down by a chorus of haters. Not right now. 

It's pretty interesting. I fully expect Texas to announce that they're pulling out of the ND series and replacing it with a Stanford or NS State series any day now. What happens when others follow suit? That seems like it would force ND to get real about a future with a conference. 

I don't understand why the BIG or SEC would cut any formal deal with ND at this point absent conference membership.  The SEC doesn't need them period.   SEC absolutely killed TV ratings weekly this year and adding an additional conference game to ESPN's inventory is going to keep Disney/ESPN more than happy.  Big 10 shouldn't offer anything other than full membership.   I'm sure the Big 12 would cut the same deal with Notre Dame that the ACC has but that isn't going to fix ND scheduling issues if SEC and BIG teams blackball them.   I'm sure we wouldn't do anything without Sankey's blessing as he's about to enter playoff expansion negotiations but both Texas and USC announcing cancellations of future games with ND would be sweet.

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1 hour ago, LTbear said:

I feel like the B1G eventually would. They've listed over ND for eternity, and they'd welcome the little bump they'd get from having ND guaranteed on their TV deal 6 times a year. 

1000% of the b1g people i know say the b1g will never take domer - the b1g tried twice before 1950 - domer said no twice

it's the opposite of coveting domer - the b1g loathes them

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2 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

We were actually kept out of the playoffs by SEC #5.  The SEC has so much power in the media that, l no one is questioning whether the $EC deserved its 5th best team in the top 12. 

Notre Dame was kept out of the playoff by only scheduling 3 good teams and losing to 2 of them.

They tried to work the system to their advantage, which I'm fine with.  But I'm not going to feel bad for them when it backfires.

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14 minutes ago, Baconboy said:

Historically speaking I’d prefer we find some different options. I’m not yet ready to face either of those teams again…

We just better work on punt protection this time if we schedule NC state.

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7 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

It's a joke but it's politically correct. Everyone except me is pretending that the ACC kept us out of the college football playoff, because they lobbied for a total of one team in the playoff.  Isn't that their job? 

 

We were actually kept out of the playoffs by SEC #5.  The SEC has so much power in the media that, l no one is questioning whether the $EC deserved its 5th best team in the top 12.  You have a good conference but it is not so good that number five is head and shoulders above anyone else. 

 

And the helmet cancels any question about whether Alabama really was the 5th best team.  Could Texas beat Auburn by more than one touchdown?

Well, just because they did not call this targeting does not mean there were no concussive effects. 

 

 

Bama finshed the regular season at the top of the SEC after the tiebreakers, hence why they were the home team in the CCG. OU was the fifth team becasue they had two regular season conference losses. They were safely in the field because they beat Michigan in the non confererence game (hence how big noncon matchups can help if you win). Bama was never going to be left out when they had to play UGA because of tiebreakers and Ole Miss and aggy with the same conference record weren't forced to risk anything. Ole Miss especially, if they got blown out days after the coaching change fiasco, they might possibly be excluded, but they got to sit at home and deal with that situation because their SEC SOS was lower than Bamas and UGA's.

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49 minutes ago, Baconboy said:

Historically speaking I’d prefer we find some different options. I’m not yet ready to face either of those teams again…

Buck up, good sir! We need to improve our record against NC State and we owe Stanford. Notice I made no mention of UCLA? I’m thoughtful like that. 

46 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

 

Would the other conferences even be receptive to that? My hope is that they wouldn't, but money is money. What is the difference in $$ for a team that regularly sells out its stadium in playing ND vs. a home/home with NC State or Stanford, to use your hypothetical? 

The only monetary risk for schools like Texas in not scheduling ND and instead scheduling weaker P4 programs is around attendance and ticket prices. I doubt it’s a whole lot. 

The other thing worth considering is what games like that does for a conference tv deal in the long term, but that’s the kind of thing that’s almost too esoteric to factor into a single school’s scheduling choices. I think Texas and a few other programs schedule tough OOC because it’s core to their identity and alumni expectations, not because there’s a big monetary difference. 

34 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I don't understand why the BIG or SEC would cut any formal deal with ND at this point absent conference membership.  The SEC doesn't need them period.   SEC absolutely killed TV ratings weekly this year and adding an additional conference game to ESPN's inventory is going to keep Disney/ESPN more than happy.  Big 10 shouldn't offer anything other than full membership.   I'm sure the Big 12 would cut the same deal with Notre Dame that the ACC has but that isn't going to fix ND scheduling issues if SEC and BIG teams blackball them.   I'm sure we wouldn't do anything without Sankey's blessing as he's about to enter playoff expansion negotiations but both Texas and USC announcing cancellations of future games with ND would be sweet.

The whole “what’s in for me?” premise with the Big 10 and the SEC is not something I can answer myself. Not sure how that dance would work. 

 

34 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

1000% of the b1g people i know say the b1g will never take domer - the b1g tried twice before 1950 - domer said no twice

it's the opposite of coveting domer - the b1g loathes them

This is similar to the bullshit people float about “no new conference would take Texas” that aggies would tell anyone right up until July of 2021. If Notre Dame told the Big 10 they were ready to join as a full member, the Big 10’s response would be “how soon can you start?!” 💯 

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