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31 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

the recently loss thing is not true, see Bama and see ND.

Oh but conference championships don’t count, kind of, sometimes maybe. Maybe not but depends. 

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13 hours ago, LTbear said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure BYU fell only one spot for losing their CCG, same as Ohio State. So how is that "punishing" them?

The PC said that teams would not be punished for playing in a CCG.  They meant teams would not be punished for playing in an SECCG.  

 

This is more scandalous than the Miami switch because it's a clean cut lie.  They cleared out the teams inbetween nd and Miami to justify their other trope about teams next to each other. 

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It's amazing to see the amount of time some of you must have on your hands.

Reality:  there is literally no solution in which somebody doesn't get screwed. And because teams play other teams that you have played and there are point differentials to be considered and because a team looks different from week to week during a season and because it's all just opinion based on frail and misguided human perception anyway, you might as well be arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. 

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4 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The PC said that teams would not be punished for playing in a CCG.  They meant teams would not be punished for playing in an SECCG.  

 

This is more scandalous than the Miami switch because it's a clean cut lie.  They cleared out the teams inbetween nd and Miami to justify their other trope about teams next to each other. 

Did I remember wrong? Did they or did they not drop a single place? A team that wasn't in the field before the CCG still not being in the field after the CCG is not being "punished." 

Scandalous? My man, you're normally a much better poster than this. If they hadn't released rankings at all until the final one, you'd be only 10% as pissy. 

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5 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The PC said that teams would not be punished for playing in a CCG.  They meant teams would not be punished for playing in an SECCG.  

 

This is more scandalous than the Miami switch because it's a clean cut lie.  They cleared out the teams inbetween nd and Miami to justify their other trope about teams next to each other. 

I was thinking of this the other day…the Committee position is literally: Yesterday , BYU was better than Miami but not as good as Notre Dame so that makes Notre Dame better than Miami. But today, since we now think BYU is worse than Miami, that means Miami is better than Notre Dame. 
 

Laughable isn’t even in the universe of correct adjectives. 

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All this could have been avoided if the committee had just put the team with the obvious best resume, according to their own rules, in the 10th place.

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8 hours ago, Zeus said:

Oh but conference championships don’t count, kind of, sometimes maybe. Maybe not but depends. 

Very similar to tough OOC games

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Luke DeCock: After years bending to Notre Dame’s whims, the ACC finally got the better of it

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After watching Notre Dame use the ACC for its own purposes all these years without remorse — taking advantage of the league during COVID, pushing to add Stanford for its own selfish reasons, and so on — the Irish finally got their comeuppance.

The ACC sneaking a representative into the College Football Playoff through a back door at Notre Dame’s expense when the committee reshuffled things for no apparent objective reason is the funniest possible outcome to the league’s nightmare scenario that arose when Duke beat Virginia for the ACC title on Saturday night and raised the possibility of the ACC being left out entirely.

Naturally, when Notre Dame threw all of its toys out of its stroller Sunday and said it would rather not play in a bowl after all, thank you very much, that required the ACC to restart its bowl process and delayed the eventual announcements by several hours. When the Irish have a cold, the ACC still has to wipe its nose. Still, the not-so-hidden implication that Notre Dame would have been in the 12-team field instead of Miami if it were a full ACC member (like it was during the COVID season) is nothing short of riotous.

It’s even more amusing than ACC commissioner Jim Phillips’ defense of the league’s relationship with Notre Dame this fall, when he said “They’re all in, with the asterisk of football.” Mighty big asterisk you’ve got there. Would be a real shame if anything happened to it. For all of its attempts to cook the books, with its own seat at the table in the CFP and a full vote in ACC matters despite being “all in” to the tune of 20 percent, Notre Dame’s longstanding policy of having things both ways finally caught up with it, even if the Irish have every right to be aggrieved by the way things were handled.

The one thing that could ever potentially trump the sanctity of Notre Dame’s football independence was being denied championship access. And it happened Sunday. To prevent that from happening during COVID, Notre Dame decided playing within the ACC wasn’t so bad after all when there were no other options. This time, it probably isn’t going to push Notre Dame any closer to full ACC membership, even in an era of “success initiatives” within the ACC when the Irish would not only be able to eat what they kill but potentially hold onto most of their NBC pot o’ gold.

According to Yahoo, Notre Dame had somehow secured a guarantee in CFP negotiations that it would make the field if it is ranked in the top 12 of a 12-team or 14-team bracket going forward, but that doesn’t take effect until next year. If that were the case this year, the Irish would have been in and Miami would have been out. (Unless the committee decided to jump Miami over Alabama to make sure the ACC was represented.

You just never know. After all, Florida State losing its quarterback was enough to eliminate an undefeated team that still won an ACC title without him, but Ole Miss losing its coach was not enough to eliminate an 11-1 team that didn’t even play in the SEC championship. It’s all Calvinball in there. So other than forcing the ACC to go through its whole bowl selection process a second time Sunday by unexpectedly withdrawing, Notre Dame’s omission from the CFP probably isn’t going to have the long-term impacts it might seem to portend.

The Irish will continue to wield outsized power both within the ACC and the CFP as it dithers over expansion, the deadline for which has been pushed back to next month. And there are unquestionably mutual benefits to the ACC’s relationship with Notre Dame despite the imbalance in power. Especially in an era when ratings drive revenue, getting Notre Dame on the schedule can be a big boost, unless you’re North Carolina trying to avoid racking up double-digit losses in Year 2 of the Belichick Era.

For once, though, after years of the ACC bending to Notre Dame’s whims, the ACC got the better of the Irish in football politics. It doesn’t happen often. It may never happen again. But it happened. No asterisk required.

 

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6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The PC said that teams would not be punished for playing in a CCG.  They meant teams would not be punished for playing in an SECCG.  

 

This is more scandalous than the Miami switch because it's a clean cut lie.  They cleared out the teams inbetween nd and Miami to justify their other trope about teams next to each other. 

I have your back on this part of the argument.   That was said over and over by the media and the committee members themselves leading up to the week or two leading up to the CCG when it was clearer who was going to be playing in those games.   It's not only the total double standard on who's CCG should not count against them, it's also the eyeball test about how a bad loss is counted too.   How can Bama's loss to a horrible Florida State team who then lost to horrible Florida team not be part of Bama's judgement on top of their "leaking oil" as Herbie put it the other day  as they got into the back end of their schedule.    But yet our loss to Florida was allowed to be used against and weighed to with everything we did since that loss.   Make it make sense.  

There has to be some sort of accountability for this committee.  I'd really like to know if there is away to get open records requests to see if a record was kept of the meetings.    And really this is something that needs to be be part of the process moving forward absent not having actual live streaming of their meetings.

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20 hours ago, LTbear said:

Bama has better wins. Much better. ND is hanging their hat on "good losses." Every playoff ranking has often come down to who you beat. ND beat no one of relevance. 

I'm not a Bama fan. ND, Bama, Miami, BYU - I can see arguments for all. But not punishing a team for playing in their CCG that was in the rankings before said CCG seems fine to me. 

Bama beat Georgia in September. Then they got embarrassed by them in December. What’s their best win after Georgia?  Vanderbilt? Real murderer’s row there. ULM, Wisconsin, Missouri, Tennessee, So. Carolina, LSU, an FCS school (which should count against you, imo, I’m not happy with tOSU scheduling them either and hope it will stop now that Jeans Smith is gone), and Auburn? Give me a fucking break. Those teams all suck. 

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8 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It's amazing to see the amount of time some of you must have on your hands.

Reality:  there is literally no solution in which somebody doesn't get screwed. And because teams play other teams that you have played and there are point differentials to be considered and because a team looks different from week to week during a season and because it's all just opinion based on frail and misguided human perception anyway, you might as well be arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. 

You mock others for wasting their time arguing fruitless points. Yet, here you are, on a college football forum, writing a long post explaining why people shouldn't bother discussing one of the most central points of online college football talk since the internet was invented by Al Gore. You should find some Anime forums and tell them why focusing their attention on cartoons and debating which is best is a massive waste of time.

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the decock article.....

decock, had to write that again

had to search for it - here's the source url:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article313508738.html

it's the best yet written about this

and it begs a question

over the last 48 hours, not one word from notre dame joe here on this board has addressed the root cause of the problem

not once has the domer media ecosystem used the word "independence" in the past 3 days

the acc should double down while the iron is hot

invite the 3 service academies, get them signed, then cancel the business partner relationship effective immediately

cancel all domer games against acc opponents next year

that will leave usc, purdue, michigan state, northwestern and michigan as the traditional opponents not in the acc

go cut a business partner relationship for 5 games a year with the b1g

disney should go to war with nbc

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The biggest lie from CFP is "twelve best" teams.

The truth is, ten of the 15 or 20 highest voted beauties and two participation ribbon winners.

ND was one of the 15 or 20, but not one of the 10. 

Too bad. So was Texas.

We coulda played each other in the Biggest Toilet Bowl, but noooooo. I think ND is afraid of how they'd look with a big L, but I'm not too sure we could beat them... but we'll never know.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

i men thats pretty much the opposite of whats happened so far in the history of college football. But you go ahead and bet on those odds

It is a natural progression. This was unthinkable up until the time when these athletic departments are all suddenly on the hook to start paying players while operating at a deficit or break even. Why do you think Private Equity has suddenly and stupidly become an option? The CFP and major bowls represent one of the few options for additional revenue to the schools that haven't been tapped. In the arms race, it will cost more and more money to maintain top rosters and make it into that field. It is only a matter of time before tOSU, Bama, Georgia, Oregon, Texas, etc start looking around and wondering why they have to split their playoff and bowl money with Mississippi State, Purdue, and Rutgers.

I was a year ahead of saying that playoff expansion was going to ultimately kill conference title games. I expect conference culling will be the next step, especially if networks start to get behind the idea of any type of a super league. The P12 blew apart because TV networks did not believe that schools like Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal deserved premium revenue to air their games just because they were in conference. They weren't wrong. In the next round of TV negotiations, they will be looking to drive down revenue outlays to conferences due to the money they are spending on the playoffs. That will put pressure on the pot of money going to each school, and in the absence of growth, there will be cuts to keep the top teams whole. 

But you go ahead and bet on status quo. It worked out great for George Kliavkoff.   

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19 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Basically, yes.

You know, one of the best, proudest, most honorable moments in college football happened this year. I get choked up just thinking about.

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Because we are honorable and intellectually honest here at Texas A&M University home of the Fightin' Texas Aggies from Texas, we cannot accept our bid to the National Champion, we like to call it a natty here where they're unkown, Playoff. 

Clearly, Notre Dame was not the team they are now when we played them. That negates our victory. They'd clearly beat us now even with our holding (honorably, of course) OL. The rest of our schedule was low grade except for t.u.. They outscored us when we ran out of time. 

We hold other teams up to this standard. We now apply it to ourselves. We will not seek nor will we accept a bid to the playoff.

Good night, gig 'em, and God bless.

I have no words that can adequately express my admiration.

 

 

8 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It's amazing to see the amount of time some of you must have on your hands.

Reality:  there is literally no solution in which somebody doesn't get screwed. And because teams play other teams that you have played and there are point differentials to be considered and because a team looks different from week to week during a season and because it's all just opinion based on frail and misguided human perception anyway, you might as well be arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. 

Correct.

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8 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

It is a natural progression. This was unthinkable up until the time when these athletic departments are all suddenly on the hook to start paying players while operating at a deficit or break even. Why do you think Private Equity has suddenly and stupidly become an option? The CFP and major bowls represent one of the few options for additional revenue to the schools that haven't been tapped. In the arms race, it will cost more and more money to maintain top rosters and make it into that field. It is only a matter of time before tOSU, Bama, Georgia, Oregon, Texas, etc start looking around and wondering why they have to split their playoff and bowl money with Mississippi State, Purdue, and Rutgers.

I was a year ahead of saying that playoff expansion was going to ultimately kill conference title games. I expect conference culling will be the next step, especially if networks start to get behind the idea of any type of a super league. The P12 blew apart because TV networks did not believe that schools like Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal deserved premium revenue to air their games just because they were in conference. They weren't wrong. In the next round of TV negotiations, they will be looking to drive down revenue outlays to conferences due to the money they are spending on the playoffs. That will put pressure on the pot of money going to each school, and in the absence of growth, there will be cuts to keep the top teams whole. 

But you go ahead and bet on status quo. It worked out great for George Kliavkoff.   

The Pac 12 fell apart because it was outmaneuvered by the Big 12 securing Fox and ESPN contracts first leaving no one left to bid on the Pac, the BIg 10 then swooped in and enticed their big schools away. Where this is actually headed to is collapse fewer people are going to college and old rivalries/traditions are killed in the pursuit of a buck. Peoplle are turned off by the professional NFL-lite league and consumer consumption of media is trending in the wrong direction for these contracts to be sustainable. A super league would further exacerbate the situation by turning even more people off and simply dilute the prestige of the so called blue bloods after all Bama isn't Bama if they aren't beating  Arkansas and Mississippis every year

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40 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

The biggest lie from CFP is "twelve best" teams.

This is a dumb thing to say considering that A) nobody involved has ever said this, B) automatic qualifiers exist, and C) everyone knew from the very beginning that at least one G5 team would be among them.

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12 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is a dumb thing to say considering that A) nobody involved has ever said this, B) automatic qualifiers exist, and C) everyone knew from the very beginning that at least one G5 team would be among them.

Sounds like someone with a Participant ribbon. Good for you.

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Griffin McVeigh: ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips calls for College Football Playoff expansion after Notre Dame snub

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Notre Dame missing the College Football Playoff continues to be a talking point. Especially for ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips, who has found himself quite involved in the aftermath. Phillips and Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua have gone back and forth on the topic, mainly about the pair’s relationship. Now, Phillips is calling for expansion of the CFP after the Irish were snubbed this season.

He compared the experience to what Florida State went through in 2023, being left out despite winning the ACC and going undefeated. Phillips says if quality teams are on the wrong side of the bubble, more should get into the field. “There’s such heartache at that cutline right now,” Phillips said. “And, what I would say is, my barometer about what’s enough and what’s not enough is — if you’re leaving teams out of the Playoff that could win a national championship, then you don’t have the right number. We experienced it two seasons ago with Florida State, the only undefeated team to not make the Playoff at 13-0. And that’s when it was at four. Last year, one of our schools was in a similar situation, SMU and Alabama. SMU was in and Alabama was out. But all of the schools, right now, at the cutline deserve to be in.”

This is just the second year of the 12-team CFP. Major changes came this past offseason in regards to seeding, making the top-four teams eligible for byes in the first round instead of the top four conference champions. Expansion has long been a topic of discussion, though. Conference commissioners were supposed to have an answer before the year’s end but pushed the deadline back to late January.

Everyone will watch this edition of the College Football Playoff play out before deciding on the 2026 format. In a 16-team field, Notre Dame would be in quite comfortably. Even if they decide to stay at 12 or even move to 14, there is a scenario where Notre Dame is guaranteed a spot. All they have to do is be ranked inside the top 12.

Bevacqua revealed the agreement in recent days, meaning if it was in effect this season, the Irish would have gotten in over Miami despite being ranked behind them. Either way, Phillips appears to believe the answer is expansion. He will be part of the process on making the final decision on whether more than 12 teams are in the CFP moving forward.

 

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19 hours ago, Blotto said:

I think bevacqua wants to fuck Freeman

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When I read that, I thought that was really weird.  No one rhapsodizes like that about his HFC coach unless something's up. 

Now we appear to know the rest of the story. 

He gone.

 

 

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3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Bama beat Georgia in September. Then they got embarrassed by them in December. What’s their best win after Georgia?  Vanderbilt? Real murderer’s row there. ULM, Wisconsin, Missouri, Tennessee, So. Carolina, LSU, an FCS school (which should count against you, imo, I’m not happy with tOSU scheduling them either and hope it will stop now that Jeans Smith is gone), and Auburn? Give me a fucking break. Those teams all suck. 

So which ND win is better than Georgia? Or Vanderbilt? 

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That would be a really dumb move for Freeman, but would be hilarious when Lane interviews and starts the carousel up again, lol.

When Lane interviews for ND or NYG?

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