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16 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I mean, losing 11 out of 12 to those bumblefucks nearly put every one of us out of our minds.

10 out of 11.

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21 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

Yes. Regardless, it was ridiculous. But it was 10 out of 11. I was trying to make it worse than it was. 

Keeping thread on track, I think Texas lost 9 out of 10 to OU from 1948-1957. That was getting dominated by a superior program (and Texas proceeded to win 12 of the next 13 against the Sooners). 
 
the 1984-1994 streak- that was one program shrinking back from the cheating and another leaning in. Throw those years out and the series looks more like Baylor or Arkansas. 

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Alriy, deep dive into OU chicanery part 1. 
First, a couple of things to understand:

1. One of the great things about college football is also the source of its greatest misunderstandings. There is incredible diversity in colleges- how they are organized, how they are governed, their culture, their values. Pro sports are cookie cutter leagues, every organization functionally the same. Not so in college football, although sports media keeps taking the lazy path and writing as if it were. OU has gotten a lot of mileage out of these assumptions, shielding it from proper recognition of its misdeeds. 
2. Demographic trends. The simplest way to describe this is to use congressional delegation size through the years. The HoR has 435 members, reapportioned every ten years with the census. As states grow or shrink in populations, the number of representatives dies the same. Here are the numbers for three states:

Texas - Oklahoma - Nebraska

1920: 18 - 8 - 6

1940: 21 - 9 - 5

1960: 22 - 6 - 4

1980: 24 - 6 - 3

2000: 30 - 6 - 3

2020: 36 - 5 - 3

There you have it- Oklahoma is on the demographic path that doomed Nebraska. It’s only path to national success is getting players out of state, and it has known this for eighty years. 
 
In 1946, OU had a new president, George Cross, who was a football fan. He and their board had a plan to emphasize football success to rally the state from its chronic and growing sense of inferiority. They knew there were a bunch of servicemen with football ability coming to colleges, and they decided to build a program on this swell of talent. They hired Jim Tatum, perhaps more impressed with his chief assistant, Bud Wilkinson. Wilkinson, of course, got the job the next year, when Tatum left, and built a monster. 
 
OU formed a booster group, the Touchdown Club, which funded extra benefits for recruits and players. All of this was actually legal in the late ‘40s (or at least not illegal). Texas was doing the same (DX Bible instituted “The Bible Plan”, where alumni were assigned different parts of the state). 
 
OU became a national power- based on Wilkinson’s coaching at an elite level of organization, and recruiting Texas. In the early ‘59s, the NCAA came up with rules on scholarships, recruiting and benefits, and was given enforcement power. 
 
OU was turned in twice in the’50s, by rival Big 6 programs. The Sooners denied everything, and Cross was fine with that. He figured the program got itself into trouble, and it was up to the program to get itself out. He felt no need to enforce propriety or honesty. 
 
The NcAA found plenty of guys recruited by OU at other programs, willing to talk, and penalized the Sooners both times. 
 
It didn’t really slow the Sooners down much. They had a huge advantage in the weakness of their schedules during the Wilkinson years. Many years, they would be the only Big 6 team to finish ranked. They had superior talent and only a couple of games to get up for. 
 
One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and desegregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter. 
 
Royal started kicking their ass and no one was too sad when Wilkinson decided to step aside and try politics in 1964. 

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Correcting:

“One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and re-segregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter.” 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Royale with cheese said:

If only that were true . . .

Yeah, I was drinking a little while posting. Missed some autocorrects (“dies” vs “does”), and, yeah, the population of a state can grow while the number of reps can drop, if the national population grows at a faster rate. Still, the point remains- Oklahoma’s population isn’t producing the number of players needed to compete on a national level

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

Yeah, I was drinking a little while posting. Missed some autocorrects (“dies” vs “does”), and, yeah, the population of a state can grow while the number of reps can drop, if the national population grows at a faster rate. Still, the point remains- Oklahoma’s population isn’t producing the number of players needed to compete on a national level

No, I understood completely your well-phrased explanation of redistricting after every decennial federal census. I was just bemoaning the fact that the sons of bitches didn't actually die after a redistricting. 

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Unpopular opinion time ...

Regarding  the Godless, heathen, home to the hillbillies, ou, there has always been a direct correlation between ou cheating/being placed on probation and them winning a national championship. Win a championship... probation in the next two years.

But, at least those bastards won.

Unlike those sheep humpin' fake army, sittin' at the kiddie table at Thanksgiving gomers, aggy. They cheated like hell, as often as they could. Which from 1940 onward, resulted in the same number of national championships as Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders.

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5 hours ago, Lidig8r said:

Unpopular opinion time ...

Regarding  the Godless, heathen, home to the hillbillies, ou, there has always been a direct correlation between ou cheating/being placed on probation and them winning a national championship. Win a championship... probation in the next two years.

But, at least those bastards won.

Unlike those sheep humpin' fake army, sittin' at the kiddie table at Thanksgiving gomers, aggy. They cheated like hell, as often as they could. Which from 1940 onward, resulted in the same number of national championships as Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders.

Mary Hardin-Baylor has won 3 national titles in football in the last decade. 

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