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6 hours ago, Cap Hooked said:

Competent starters in highschool make that throw. Arch was awful. Go watch former nfl and cfb players breakdown the tape of the game. He doesnt look like he belongs in Div 1 football. I think he looked great last year and his mechanics were just fine, but something is different now. It's some of the worst game tape of a cfb qb I have seen in a decade

Ridiculous statement that competent starters in High School drop that dime.  They may make the throws that got buried on wide open players, but not that one. Save the drama for effect.

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50 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

Ridiculous statement that competent starters in High School drop that dime.  They may make the throws that got buried on wide open players, but not that one. Save the drama for effect.

Oh wow our quarterback hit one go route, he's basically Joe Montana and shouldn't be criticized ever you're right

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Posted (edited)
59 minutes ago, Cap Hooked said:

Oh wow our quarterback hit one go route, he's basically Joe Montana and shouldn't be criticized ever you're right

It was a wheel route thrown between 2 defenders from the far hash. Chase Daniel said most NFL QBs would struggle with that throw. The only ball he threw that lacked velo was the pick where the ball died due to mechanics. There’s so much to criticize him for in this game and we have thousands of posts in this forum doing exactly that. You’re coming across as a fucking moron. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, catastrophic789 said:

Honestly he's so fucking bad, there's no way it wasn't known during scouting him. Which brings the question of how he ended up the highest paid player in CFB. And the only answer I can come up with is coaches are intentionally fucking up in order to get fired after signing mega-guaranteed deals. Just saw it with Jimbo and Orgeron. It appears we're about to see it with Belichick. And Sark had his contract full guaranteed with the 1 year extension in January, just in time for Arch. When this thing completely falls apart and Sark gets fired after next season, at some point you can't help but connect the dots

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Posted
3 hours ago, catastrophic789 said:

Honestly he's so fucking bad, there's no way it wasn't known during scouting him. Which brings the question of how he ended up the highest paid player in CFB. And the only answer I can come up with is coaches are intentionally fucking up in order to get fired after signing mega-guaranteed deals. Just saw it with Jimbo and Orgeron. It appears we're about to see it with Belichick. And Sark had his contract full guaranteed with the 1 year extension in January, just in time for Arch. When this thing completely falls apart and Sark gets fired after next season, at some point you can't help but connect the dots

This is the shittiest rage bait attempt I've seen in a long time

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21 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Man, like others, I hope OSU was a bizarre anomaly.  But my lingering Battered Longhorn Syndrome tells me we might be fucked.

I think he just cracked under pressure, but it troubling on a few accounts. You hope this is just an anomaly and not a deeper issue with Arch. Now it is 4 games vs elite defenses and the last 12 months and a Texas QB has not cracked 60% completion. Some self-scouting needs to be done. 

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Arch played terrible and was pretty clearly overrated, but it’d be hard not to be at that level of hype. 2 things that give me hope: that Livingstone TD pass, and his final play where we came up short on 4th down (seriously). Unblocked rusher, play was completely dead, but Arch fought his arm free and still completed an accurate throw while being dragged down. That’s a playmaker type of play. 

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54 minutes ago, Noozak said:

This is the shittiest rage bait attempt I've seen in a long time

Are we going pretend Orgeron and Fisher didn't know exactly what they were doing when they fleeced LSU and Aggie out of millions after signing those deals? You want to talk about the Ohio State tape, look at those timestamps from the Monroe game. It's FAR worse. Arch literally missed wide open 5 TD's due to poor throws and should have had 5-6 picks including a pick 6 in a single half. His first pass of the game is the exact same off balance, side arm heave and should have been picked at it was overthrown by 5 feet and went right in between two DB's that had a chance to make a play on it. That's not Ohio State on the road. That's Louisiana Monroe at home. Having to play a cover 1 with a safety 40 yards downfield because they don't have a prayer at stopping the run or covering any of the WR's. I dare you to defend that tape, because you can't aside from saying well shucks he was just nervous. His shit play accounted for at least -35 points in one fucking half. 

I hate to tell you, but these analysts aren't taking shots at Arch for clickbait. Jordan Rodgers also said his tape showed absolutely nothing and whether people realize it or not, very few people in the media are willing to take shots at the Manning family due to the respect/power they have in the football world. But per the usual, dumbasses will say who the fuck is Jordan Rodgers. Well he led fucking Vandy to 9-4 in the SEC, I'm having serious doubts Arch can match that with a generational defense behind him

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Posted
5 minutes ago, catastrophic789 said:

Are we going pretend Orgeron and Fisher didn't know exactly what they were doing when they fleeced LSU and Aggie out of millions after signing those deals? You want to talk about the Ohio State tape, look at those timestamps from the Monroe game. It's FAR worse. Arch literally missed wide open 5 TD's due to poor throws and should have had 5-6 picks including a pick 6 in a single half. His first pass of the game is the exact same off balance, side arm heave and should have been picked at it was overthrown by 5 feet and went right in between two DB's that had a chance to make a play on it. That's not Ohio State on the road. That's Louisiana Monroe at home. Having to play a cover 1 with a safety 40 yards downfield because they don't have a prayer at stopping the run or covering any of the WR's. I dare you to defend that tape, because you can't aside from saying well shucks he was just nervous. His shit play accounted for at least -35 points in one fucking half. 

I hate to tell you, but these analysts aren't taking shots at Arch for clickbait. Jordan Rodgers also said his tape showed absolutely nothing and whether people realize it or not, very few people in the media are willing to take shots at the Manning family due to the respect/power they have in the football world. But per the usual, dumbasses will say who the fuck is Jordan Rodgers. Well he led fucking Vandy to 9-4 in the SEC, I'm having serious doubts Arch can match that with a generational defense behind him

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42 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think he just cracked under pressure, but it troubling on a few accounts. You hope this is just an anomaly and not a deeper issue with Arch. Now it is 4 games vs elite defenses and the last 12 months and a Texas QB has not cracked 60% completion. Some self-scouting needs to be done. 

What I do like is that Arch competed the whole time. There was no give up. And despite whatever was going on mechanically, he wasn't so overwhelmed that he ever appeared panicked. He was making good decisions for the most the part. This wasn't Card versus Arkansas. 

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

What I do like is that Arch competed the whole time. There was no give up. And despite whatever was going on mechanically, he wasn't so overwhelmed that he ever appeared panicked. He was making good decisions for the most the part. This wasn't Card versus Arkansas. 

It wasn't, but it was a damn good impression. 

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

What I do like is that Arch competed the whole time. There was no give up. 

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

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4 hours ago, catastrophic789 said:

Honestly he's so fucking bad, there's no way it wasn't known during scouting him. 

Can we just crowdsource retards like this off the board early so we don't end up sifting through years of this drivel like we do with BOW?

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I don't think it's some mystery what happened. That's why it's just even more wtf. He was overwhelmed by shit that wasn't happening on the field. 

He makes the 3rd or 4th down conversion on the final drive and it's the same story just different ending which we all would have preferred. 

The Texas team we all watched was good enough to win, arguably even win big without the head-case of a first 3 quarters from one guy. 

Its also obvious why he was a head-case and that's either a coaching or maturity or both problem. 

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Arch played terrible and was pretty clearly overrated, but it’d be hard not to be at that level of hype. 2 things that give me hope: that Livingstone TD pass, and his final play where we came up short on 4th down (seriously). Unblocked rusher, play was completely dead, but Arch fought his arm free and still completed an accurate throw while being dragged down. That’s a playmaker type of play. 

Are you breaking character?

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Arch playing poorly created a ton of cover for Simmons, who imo had a significantly worse game than Arch. 1 hurry, no sacks, and that penalty to take the safety off board was massive.

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't think it's some mystery what happened. That's why it's just even more wtf. He was overwhelmed by shit that wasn't happening on the field. 

He makes the 3rd or 4th down conversion on the final drive and it's the same story just different ending which we all would have preferred. 

The Texas team we all watched was good enough to win, arguably even win big without the head-case of a first 3 quarters from one guy. 

Its also obvious why he was a head-case and that's either a coaching or maturity or both problem. 

The one issue I am concerned about is this is blown off as simply "1st time starter shit himself". The 4 games vs Georgia and OSU have been pretty ugly (every game with completion percentage below 60%, 29% on 3rd down, and 33% on 4th. 3 TDs in 9 redzone trips). I think this was the worst game plan of the 4. OSU was borrowing a lot from the Georgia game plan. I was surprised after an entire offseason how little Sark adjusted his offense. These are elite defense and not everyone can replicate their game plans, but some self-scouting is called for here. 

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The only "good news" about Arch's performance is that he was going to lay an egg and face a lot of adversity at some point this season. Well, here we are. Probably fortunate to play three easy games this month to settle in. Plenty of time to for Sark to experiment and maximize Arch's strengths and get him comfortable.  

 

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12 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't think it's some mystery what happened. That's why it's just even more wtf. He was overwhelmed by shit that wasn't happening on the field. 

He makes the 3rd or 4th down conversion on the final drive and it's the same story just different ending which we all would have preferred. 

The Texas team we all watched was good enough to win, arguably even win big without the head-case of a first 3 quarters from one guy. 

Its also obvious why he was a head-case and that's either a coaching or maturity or both problem. 

This.  Which is why Finebaum and others picked Texas to win biggly.  With competent QB play this team rolls.  Get up on tOSU by a score or two and their conservative, pedantic offense has to get out of it's shell and it's a completely different game.  

For the life of me, Sark making in-game adjustments just isn't a thing.  His plan either works, or he keeps trying to jam the same shit that isn't working down everyone's throats.  Arch is mobile.  Get him out of the damn pocket.  Worst case he picks up a few yards.  Their defense was so keyed in on keeping him in the pocket all afternoon that they were over pursuing most of the game.  

The goal line fuckery was what lost me.  Even my wife was yelling they have four guys all keying off the snap from the center.  Their entire line was knew what the play up the middle was going to be.  

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7 minutes ago, Nope said:

Arch playing poorly created a ton of cover for Simmons, who imo had a significantly worse game than Arch. 1 hurry, no sacks, and that penalty to take the safety off board was massive.

Eh. Simmons and the D in general played well. He didn't light up the stat sheet because we didn't really create the situations for it. Ohio State had 200 yards of offense. Bitching about individual defensive stats is misguided. The game plan worked. 

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5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Plenty of time to for Sark to experiment and maximize Arch's strengths and get him comfortable.  

He had all offseason for this.  The offense was as vanilla as ever for an early game.  

  • Run the ball
  • Drop back in the pocket

That was to a large extent the offense most of the day.  

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Just now, Dahobbs said:

Eh. Simmons and the D in general played well. He didn't light up the stat sheet because we didn't really create the situations for it. Ohio State had 200 yards of offense. Bitching about individual defensive stats is misguided. The game plan worked. 

DL was great against run, dreadful at creating pass rush. Lost count how many times I saw Sayin throwing an incompletion from a squeaky clean pocket. We are very fortunate for what we have in the secondary.

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Just now, BabaYaga said:

He had all offseason for this.  The offense was as vanilla as ever for an early game.  

  • Run the ball
  • Drop back in the pocket

That was to a large extent the offense most of the day.  

Clearly Arch/Sark need real game reps to get things going. 

 

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Just now, Nope said:

DL was great against run, dreadful at creating pass rush. Lost count how many times I saw Sayin throwing an incompletion from a squeaky clean pocket. We are very fortunate for what we have in the secondary.

Ohio state got the ball out quickly for the most part. What do you expect to happen when that is the case?

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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The one issue I am concerned about is this is blown off as simply "1st time starter shit himself". The 4 games vs Georgia and OSU have been pretty ugly (every game with completion percentage below 60%, 29% on 3rd down, and 33% on 4th. 3 TDs in 9 redzone trips). I think this was the worst game plan of the 4. OSU was borrowing a lot from the Georgia game plan. I was surprised after an entire offseason how little Sark adjusted his offense. These are elite defense and not everyone can replicate their game plans, but some self-scouting is called for here. 

What? This isn't first time starter shitting himself. I don't think he was rattled by the crowd or anything. I seriously think he was in his own head about other stuff that had nothing to do with environment or football. He was somewhere else mentally for a lot of the game. It wasn't fear or nerves it was like he was checked out. He didn't fuck up the first throw in the dirt because of anything other than he wasn't dialed in for the play. That's a throw he's made hundreds of times, and definitely tens of times in the scripting of the offense for the first series. It is muscle memory and he wasn't in that headspace. He was somewhere else and that's when guys who aren't injured make throws like that. 

He wasn't thinking about balling he was thinking about how not to fuck everything up. 

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14 hours ago, dcbc said:

A couple of people I was watching the game with wondered if he was injured and the side arming of the ball was something he was doing to play through it.

 

I watched a few passes from the MS-ST game last year and his motion looked different to me.

I've been really quiet on this, but a PT in my circle noted it looked like it was and throwing over the shoulder is much more difficult than side armed. Based on Ewers injury being carrying on for far longer than we were lead to believe, and the performance, it would explain some truly odd aspects. 

It's pure speculation, but there is logic and historical evidence to support it.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

I've been really quiet on this, but a PT in my circle noted it looked like it was and throwing over the shoulder is much more difficult than side armed. Based on Ewers injury being carrying on for far longer than we were lead to believe, and the performance, it would explain some truly odd aspects. 

It's pure speculation, but there is logic and historical evidence to support it.

Maybe.  I wonder if he was so rattled that he resorted to backyard mechanics because of the situation.  I've seen Mahomes do this on more than one occasion.  Side arm a squirrely pass when he's on the run.  The difference is Arch was not ready mentally for this environment.  

He's got a few gimme games to get this shit together, but if this isn't fixed, it's going to be a long season.  

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

What? This isn't first time starter shitting himself. I don't think he was rattled by the crowd or anything. I seriously think he was in his own head about other stuff that had nothing to do with environment or football. He was somewhere else mentally for a lot of the game. It wasn't fear or nerves it was like he was checked out. He didn't fuck up the first throw in the dirt because of anything other than he wasn't dialed in for the play. That's a throw he's made hundreds of times, and definitely tens of times in the scripting of the offense for the first series. It is muscle memory and he wasn't in that headspace. He was somewhere else and that's when guys who aren't injured make throws like that. 

He wasn't thinking about balling he was thinking about how not to fuck everything up. 

We agree on this. Far from the 1st time a starter has shit himself for Texas. My larger point is I think Sark may need to do some self-scouting on his game plans and not simply write this off as the QB had a bad day. 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

What? This isn't first time starter shitting himself. I don't think he was rattled by the crowd or anything. I seriously think he was in his own head about other stuff that had nothing to do with environment or football. He was somewhere else mentally for a lot of the game. It wasn't fear or nerves it was like he was checked out. He didn't fuck up the first throw in the dirt because of anything other than he wasn't dialed in for the play. That's a throw he's made hundreds of times, and definitely tens of times in the scripting of the offense for the first series. It is muscle memory and he wasn't in that headspace. He was somewhere else and that's when guys who aren't injured make throws like that. 

He wasn't thinking about balling he was thinking about how not to fuck everything up. 

So......in short, he needs to get laid?

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6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I've been really quiet on this, but a PT in my circle noted it looked like it was and throwing over the shoulder is much more difficult than side armed. Based on Ewers injury being carrying on for far longer than we were lead to believe, and the performance, it would explain some truly odd aspects. 

It's pure speculation, but there is logic and historical evidence to support it.

Not to go @satyanash, but one thought watching Arch's mechanics completely breakdown was WTF is Texas teaching these QBs? Why are the starters mechanics so bad? I am going to hope this was just a "arch lost his mind for this game", but it is something I will be monitoring. Hopefully, this is just an anomaly for Arch. 

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ohio state got the ball out quickly for the most part. What do you expect to happen when that is the case?

I’d have to go back to the film, but there were at least 4 moments when I said out loud “why does he have so much time???” The ball coming out quick every time is not what I recall seeing in real-time, but they did run a lot of play action which is also a factor.

Posted
3 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

So......in short, he needs to get laid?

No, I think he needs to stop getting laid.  Women weaken legs.  The rose goes in the front, big guy.  And so on.

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Posted
10 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Who the fuck is Ken Bernkert?  

A college QB who played QB as a backup and practice squad member for three NFL teams over five years before washing out and starting a Youtube channel.  He made a name for himself by making Madden videos and now he's branching out into film breakdown. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

We agree on this. Far from the 1st time a starter has shit himself for Texas. My larger point is I think Sark may need to do some self-scouting on his game plans and not simply write this off as the QB had a bad day. 

They scouted the QB being straight ass? His Playcalls and scheme were mostly great to excellent. The only WTF stuff was the short yardage and inside the 5 RZ stuff. 

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Arch playing poorly created a ton of cover for Simmons, who imo had a significantly worse game than Arch. 1 hurry, no sacks, and that penalty to take the safety off board was massive.

The hands to the face was on Lefau, who was also held, I believe.
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Sark’s message to Arch before the Ohio State game was “Just be yourself”.

That advice didn’t yield intended results, so against Florida Sark needs to tell him something radically different like “Mudhole these swamp ass fucks”

 

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4 minutes ago, Nope said:

I’d have to go back to the film, but there were at least 4 moments when I said out loud “why does he have so much time???” The ball coming out quick every time is not what I recall seeing in real-time, but they did run a lot of play action which is also a factor.

The dude made some throws with rushers in his face. Simmons was doing a lot besides rushing the passer, including dropping back in coverage. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Arch isn't injured. We've got to nip this stupid shit in the bud. 

 

And you know this how? 

Were you aware of the extent of Ewers ongoing health issues last year? Didn't see you posting about it, but might have missed it.

Posted
4 minutes ago, immamac said:

They scouted the QB being straight ass? His Playcalls and scheme were mostly great to excellent. The only WTF stuff was the short yardage and inside the 5 RZ stuff. 

This is incorrect. It was a very vanilla gameplan. Not much in the way of targets to motion, which Sark usually relies on to scheme open looks. You are probably the 1st person I have seen say it was a good gameplan. You have Babers, The Film Guy, and Scipio all come out and say Sark had a bad day. It is possible that the QB looked like ass and the game plan was weak. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

And you know this how? 

Were you aware of the extent of Ewers ongoing health issues last year? Didn't see you posting about it, but might have missed it.

1. He wasn't touched by a defender all off season and practice

2. We called designed runs and a QB sneak

3. Why would they hide it after a performance like that? 

4. Arch is fully practicing and lifting weights

Posted
4 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Sark’s message to Arch before the Ohio State game was “Just be yourself”.

That advice didn’t yield intended results, so against Florida Sark needs to tell him something radically different like “Mudhole these swamp ass fucks”

 

What the hell does "be yourself" even mean.  He's never played in such an environment.  We don't really even know what his game looks like.  Is he a drop-back, pocket passer like Brady, a run & gun player like Mahomes (obviously these are extreme examples), etc?

Arch needs his coach to dial up and adjust to pre-game and in-game scenarios.  Maybe that happened, but there were obvious examples where Manning looked lost running similar plays again and again.  

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