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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

If they are truly undecided, then all the Trump bullshit clearly doesn't bother them very much. 

Kamala is the only option IMO. 

 

 

I do agree Kamala is the only/better option. The voters claim they want younger. Give them younger.  Give her the war chest, the infrastructure and a good VP and you’ve got a stew going 

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3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What Biden locks jump ship if there's a different nominee? Biden "loyalists" are just people who hate Trump at this point. No one's going to be butt hurt that they don't get to vote for an 82 year old anymore.

Undecideds, in a substantial number, want ANYONE (that can cobble together multiple coherent sentences) besides these two options from a major party. They want a way out. 

This isn't the fucking West Wing, man. Remember all the interparty drama in spring of 2020? All the sniping between Warren and Bernie supporters, all the conspiracy shit about the voting app in Iowa during the primaries? Even running against a monster like Trump, it actually takes serious work to cohere support around one candidate. Imagine all that drama multiplied by a hundred and compressed into a very short timeline with no summer or fall for everyone to get their shit sorted out and organize after a winner emerges. And if that winner isn't Harris, starting over from fucking scratch both in money and in campaign personnel.  

The Democratic party is fucking terrible at a lot of politics. But they generally know how to run a normal campaign. They need to make this as close to something they're used to doing as they can, because the Democratic party trying to figure out how to do politics in truly uncharted waters should fucking terrify you

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He would have to debate Kamala or he looks like a coward to a lot of undecided voters. He can say he doesn't want to put old man Biden through another debate. He can't use that excuse with Kamala. 

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15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

A lot of undecideds are undecided because they haven't paid attention to Trump in four years and forgot what an asshole he is.  

And now, when you put them together on the same stage, Joe's oldness far overshadows whatever the hell comes out of Trump's mouth.

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

He would have to debate Kamala or he looks like a coward to a lot of undecided voters. He can say he doesn't want to put old man Biden through another debate. He can't use that excuse with Kamala. 

He could pretty easily just say they won't agree to fair rules or whatever.

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

He could pretty easily just say they won't agree to fair rules or whatever.

And he would still look like a coward. I doubt Kamala would change any of the already agreed upon rules. Trump already signed off on 3 debates. 

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know why Trump would debate anyone at this point.  He won.  Take your ball and go home.

Well, he definitely doesn't need to debate Biden again. But if Trump declined to debate Kamala? That could affect voters and help Dems. 

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Trump is old and deranged, but looks like a spring chicken next to Biden. 

Put Kamala in and if Trump debates her, people's eyes will finally open regarding Trump's lack of competency and old senile bullshit. We need contrast, not a continued choice between two dinosaurs. 

 

all joe needs is a bad wig and some bronzer slapped all over his face!

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Posted

This is a fun talk and all, but we know that if the dems try to replace JB, Trump's just going to sue and have SCOTUS order the dems to keep Biden on the ticket.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Why should we care what non-voting people think?

Because we need the undecideds and independents to get out in vote. It was a big part in Biden winning in 2020.

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Nyt today:

Cooling inflation

IRS crackdown of millionaires

Trump visiting Orban

Trump’s anti-NATO stance

Vivid explainer on Project 2025

Editorial about why Trump is unfit to be POTUS

 

Are they finally figuring out that being anti-Biden is not going to save them from a media crackdown by a second Trump admin? 

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Posted
11 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Yeah I had a friend text during the debate "Geez I was gonna vote for Biden but think I'll just stay home at this point. That was pathetic. Two terrible options."

I guess we'll see what the turnout is like in November. 

This pisses me off so bad.  Yeah Biden is old and decrepit.  What are the alternatives?  Trump?  Is 'Merica gonna vote for a black woman named Kamala?  A gay man named Pete?  A Californian?  Hell fucking no.  The hate engine has spent the last 30 years tearing all of those options down.  We need a democrat Hitler and we need him now.  :(

 

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Just now, Foosters said:

This is a fun talk and all, but we know that if the dems try to replace JB, Trump's just going to sue and have SCOTUS order the dems to keep Biden on the ticket.

Until the convention, the Democrats can replace Biden until he's nominated. If Biden were to step down, which is preferred, then Kamala is President and Biden could release his already won delegates, just like Nikki Haley did the other day. 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

And now, when you put them together on the same stage, Joe's oldness far overshadows whatever the hell comes out of Trump's mouth.

Except it fucking didn't man! 

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Seeing the dominant narrative coming out of the debate, Lazer and the team at CHIP50 decided to test the hypothesis that Biden had lost ground in public opinion after the debate. Notably, Lazer says, they didn’t survey two different cross-sectional groups of people before and after the debate like most polls. Instead, the team was able to survey the same group of respondents from a survey conducted before the debate.

Lazer says using the same group of people helps make the results more precise, which is important in polling that inherently has a margin of error.

What the report finds is that Biden held on to 94% of the people who said they would support him before the debate. For Trump, 86% of people who said they would support him before the debate said they would do so after the debate. 

“What we see is that there is some churn –– maybe 10 percent or so of people change what they answer –– but that the net result is not a movement away from Biden,” Lazer says. “If anything, it seems that Biden is holding on to his people somewhat better than Trump.”

In fact, generally, the shift in support was actually more in Biden’s favor, although Lazer notes it’s not statistically significant and well within the margin of error.

There were very minor shifts between the candidates: 1% of people who said they would vote for Biden before the debate, switched to preferring Trump, while 3% switched from Trump to Biden. Similarly, respondents who said they were unsure who they would vote for before the debate were slightly more likely to switch to preferring Biden after the debate.

“[It all] points in the same direction, which is that it seems unlikely, based on our data, that things shifted toward Trump after the debate,” Lazer says. “If anything, our point estimate is a little more toward Biden, but I wouldn’t make a lot of noise about that.”

You're projecting yourself onto undecided voters. Stop doing that. 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Trump is old and deranged, but looks like a spring chicken next to Biden. 

Put Kamala in and if Trump debates her, people's eyes will finally open regarding Trump's lack of competency and old senile bullshit. We need contrast, not a continued choice between two dinosaurs. 

 

I would be surprised if there will be any more debates. I don't see Biden agreeing to another debate unless he magically comes alive. And Trump would not debate anyone who isn't Biden. 

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I would be surprised if there will be any more debates. I don't see Biden agreeing to another debate unless he magically comes alive. And Trump would not debate anyone who isn't Biden. 

Biden would want another debate to prove he's still capable. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I will say that if he's deteriorated so much that those closest to him don't think he can finish the campaign, I do think he should both withdraw and resign as President so that Kamala can campaign as the incumbent taking up the reins. It really doesn't make much sense for him to withdraw from the race but still remain President. 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

If you are still "undecided" you're a moron in my book. What is there to decide at this point? Do they even vote? Why should we care what non-voting people think?

Get out of your bubble. Most sane people don't follow politics religiously. All they know is that they have two shit choices right now. Should they suck it up and vote for the obviously better choice, even if a Trump presidency isn't as potentially damaging to them as it is to others? Abso-fucking-lutely. And I tell them as much.

Call them a moron all you want (and you're not necessary wrong), but the "what's the point" apathy creeps in like a mother fucker.

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Posted (edited)

Lobo hasn’t been around in a few days to remind us that all the racists who are already coming out for Trump will come out harder against Kamala. Despite the obvious bump in enthusiasm for younger voters and voters of color and the base who is pretty demoralized. 

AKA is ready to mobilize hard for POTUS/candidate Harris. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I will say that if he's deteriorated so much that those closest to him don't think he can finish the campaign, I do think he should both withdraw and resign as President so that Kamala can campaign as the incumbent taking up the reins. It really doesn't make much sense for him to withdraw from the race but still remain President. 

it'd be really cool.  four months of showing she can do it, four months of everyone used to seeing her behind the podium, would really go a long way.  

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Posted
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Except it fucking didn't man! 

You're projecting yourself onto undecided voters. Stop doing that. 

By overshadowed, I meant that Biden's age was THE talking point post-Debate.  On this website, on social media, in text groups... nobody remembers the crazy shit Trump said that night (and there was a lot) because everyone was so busy talking about Joe.

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I will say that if he's deteriorated so much that those closest to him don't think he can finish the campaign, I do think he should both withdraw and resign as President so that Kamala can campaign as the incumbent taking up the reins. It really doesn't make much sense for him to withdraw from the race but still remain President. 

If they replace him they can use it as a "see, we aren't just about listening to one guy, it isn't only about one person" angle I guess.

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15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This isn't the fucking West Wing, man. Remember all the interparty drama in spring of 2020? All the sniping between Warren and Bernie supporters, all the conspiracy shit about the voting app in Iowa during the primaries? Even running against a monster like Trump, it actually takes serious work to cohere support around one candidate. Imagine all that drama multiplied by a hundred and compressed into a very short timeline with no summer or fall for everyone to get their shit sorted out and organize after a winner emerges. And if that winner isn't Harris, starting over from fucking scratch both in money and in campaign personnel.  

The Democratic party is fucking terrible at a lot of politics. But they generally know how to run a normal campaign. They need to make this as close to something they're used to doing as they can, because the Democratic party trying to figure out how to do politics in truly uncharted waters should fucking terrify you

Staying the course [bold letters] fucking terrifies me [/bold letters]. 

I think the Democrats tripping over their dicks 100 times en route to choosing a new candidate still gives them better odds than Joe Biden has right now. 

He needs to correct the course himself, and he simply can't. Full stop.

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Posted
41 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

How. Trump. Behaves. Doesn't. Matter. 

I cannot believe people are still "but Trump!"-ing. His voters and undecideds don't care. 34 felony convictions didn't move the needle. Enough with what "should be". That time has passed. 

Trump is still Trump in the eyes of all voters. Biden has changed. Adapt or die. 

 

 

 

This.

How many times do I have to say there is no Peak Trump.  It's never going to happen.  He could shoot Biden during a debate, take a shit on stage, smear it all over himself, and fuck a goat and 45% of the voting public will vote for him. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Lobo hasn’t been around in a few days to remind us that all the racists who are already coming out for Trump will come out harder against Kamala. Despite the obvious bump in enthusiasm for younger voters and voters of color and the base who is pretty demoralized. 

AKA is ready to mobilize hard for POTUS/candidate Harris. 

I do question how much a bump in enthusiasm there actually would be. Young voters didn't love her in 2020 (see: "Kamala is a cop!" etc.) and I don't think for one second she'd get much positive media attention. CNN, WaPo, the Times, etc. won't want to coronate her, they'll still want Trump to win. I bet we'd suddenly see a lot more rosy coverage of Biden's economy and a lot of "does Kamala have the experience to keep steering the economy?" shit. 

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1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

If they replace him they can use it as a "see, we aren't just about listening to one guy, it isn't only about one person" angle I guess.

I think it’s already over but the shouting (on Biden’s part): everything suggests that if they have to go ugly they will to pressure him off the stage. Possibly just waiting for NATO to leave town. They will do whatever it takes to force him to step aside. Including and not limited to destroying his legacy. They are ready and waiting for whatever occurs tonite. Shit Clooney (via Obama) already said today who he feels the replacement should be and it ain’t Kamala.

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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I think it’s already over but the shouting (on Biden’s part): everything suggests that if they have to go ugly they will to pressure him off the stage. Possibly just waiting for NATO to leave town. They will do whatever it takes to force him to step aside. Including and not limited to destroying his legacy. They are ready and waiting for whatever occurs tonite. Shit Clooney (via Obama) already said today who he feels the replacement should be and it ain’t Kamala.

Who does Clooney want?

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Lobo hasn’t been around in a few days to remind us that all the racists who are already coming out for Trump will come out harder against Kamala. Despite the obvious bump in enthusiasm for younger voters and voters of color and the base who is pretty demoralized. 

AKA is ready to mobilize hard for POTUS/candidate Harris. 

A Kamala coalition of women, young voters, and voters of color would go a long way to revive the lukewarm base.

Add a conventional white male VP candidate a la Mark Kelly and it will help with Arizona, possibly the rust belt.

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I think it’s already over but the shouting (on Biden’s part): everything suggests that if they have to go ugly they will to pressure him off the stage. Possibly just waiting for NATO to leave town. They will do whatever it takes to force him to step aside. Including and not limited to destroying his legacy. They are ready and waiting for whatever occurs tonite. Shit Clooney (via Obama) already said today who he feels the replacement should be and it ain’t Kamala.

They would be saving his legacy. 

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3 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

A Kamala coalition of women, young voters, and voters of color would go a long way to revive the lukewarm base.

Add a conventional white male VP candidate a la Mark Kelly and it will help with Arizona, possibly the rust belt.

You'd better be real fucking careful selecting a woman. When a man gets fired up he's passionate. When a woman does it she's moody. That's how it will be attacked.

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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

only the dems could have "members of the campaign staff" anonymously sabotaging the very campaign they're supposed to be supporting

Self-preservation mode, if not already, is going to be in full effect very soon.

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Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Staying the course [bold letters] fucking terrifies me [/bold letters]. 

I think the Democrats tripping over their dicks 100 times en route to choosing a new candidate still gives them better odds than Joe Biden has right now. 

He needs to correct the course himself, and he simply can't. Full stop.

It's hard for me to believe that Kamala won't just get Hillary'd is all.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

This.

How many times do I have to say there is no Peak Trump.  It's never going to happen.  He could shoot Biden during a debate, take a shit on stage, smear it all over himself, and fuck a goat and 45% of the voting public will vote for him. 

"I know Trump shot Biden during a debate, shat on himself, and smeared it all over himself but Biden wants to forgive student loans!!!!!"

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Who does Clooney want?

Pritzker or Moore.

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

They would be saving his legacy. 

That depends on how long Biden keeps fighting. 
 

I have thought about this the last 72 hours especially in light of Clooney’s piece and possible approval from Obama. Obama has visit d the White House they said on NPR something like 130 times in the Biden presidency. Math ain’t my thing but that’s a lot. If anyone as able to see the decline in Biden it would be him. It’s not like he could go to the press and say Biden needs to step down now. He may have tried to influence him for several months to step aside. And was unsuccessful so he encouraged Biden to call for an early unprecedented debate knowing it would go poorly for Biden. So bc of the July 4th holiday the press started feeding off Biden while Dems kept saying what a wonderful man, public servant and President he’s been in the hopes he would step aside. This didn’t work so now the next phase of the attack on him. If he stands strong tonite the attacks will be brutal the gloves which had mostly been on will come off and they do not care if it destroys him. It all depends on Biden. 
 

all of this moo I don’t know shit absolutely it shit obviously. Watching as a concerned person citizen. 

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The campaign needs something fresh and new. Harris brings that. She’ll bring the star power, the money, the social media from celebs, etc. That’s what helps drive young voters and people of color. 

RuPaul will do TikTok’s to get the RPDR crowd alive which is gays and women

She can campaign on being more young/youthful compared to trunp.

This election needs something fresh and new. That’s Harris.

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Man, Kamala Harris doesn't bring "star power." 

There is entirely way too much open masturbation going on in here. I don't want to kink shame, but you people gotta keep some shit private. Harris might be a better candidate than Biden at this point, but to the extent she is it's going to be by maybe a couple of percentage points at most and it's still going to be a very close election. 

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5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I have thought about this the last 72 hours especially in light of Clooney’s piece and possible approval from Obama. Obama has visit d the White House they said on NPR something like 130 times in the Biden presidency. Math ain’t my thing but that’s a lot. If anyone as able to see the decline in Biden it would be him. It’s not like he could go to the press and say Biden needs to step down now. He may have tried to influence him for several months to step aside. And was unsuccessful so he encouraged Biden to call for an early unprecedented debate knowing it would go poorly for Biden. So bc of the July 4th holiday the press started feeding off Biden while Dems kept saying what a wonderful man, public servant and President he’s been in the hopes he would step aside. This didn’t work so now the next phase of the attack on him. If he stands strong tonite the attacks will be brutal the gloves which had mostly been on will come off and they do not care if it destroys him. It all depends on Biden. 
 

all of this moo I don’t know shit absolutely it shit obviously. Watching as a concerned person citizen. 

I don't know. It seems less and less likely that he drops out with every passing day.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Foosters said:

only the dems could have "members of the campaign staff" anonymously sabotaging the very campaign they're supposed to be supporting

It's like the time I slipped and fell in the mud, ruining the very pants I was about to return.

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10 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

You'd better be real fucking careful selecting a woman. When a man gets fired up he's passionate. When a woman does it she's moody. That's how it will be attacked.

I don't disagree. It's a shame Kamala isn't an Ann Richards type who could weave levity with sternness, but alas.

 

Ultimately Trump being an existential threat would have to be the louder message over gender politics to voters. Easier now than 2016 since we've lived through a Trump presidency and Kamala doesn't have the Clinton baggage.



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