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19 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Are we talking about things that fall into the Animal Kingdom?

If so, fire ants.  Why is obvious. 

There's a story that I heard about certain tribes. Someone would be tied down with wet rawhide around their ballsack staked taut near a red ant nest, since this predates the advent of fire ants. That's my choice for him.

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On 3/23/2024 at 6:04 PM, NoName said:

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NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/fewer-people-using-elon-musks-x-struggles-keep-users-rcna144115

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This is the business case study that's going to be laughed at until the end of time.

Threads getting downloaded 16x for every one from X

Elon:

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Somehow, there is a way to make losing thag many users thay fast look even worse...

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Here's the thing about the "everything app" -- there's something to that concept.  How many of us and how many times have we bitched about how every fucking place we go has a "download our app!" push?  And you often NEED to do so in order to conduct business there efficiently?  Shit, I have 4 airline apps, 3 taxi apps, 4 different train/transport apps.  If you want to park....you need this city's parking app, and 5 different private parking company apps (depends on what lot or garage you will use).  Some sort of unified app for a lot of those (e.g., there should be one parking app -- "Parkmaster" or somesuch, each lot has a location code, you use Parkmaster to pay, and you're done).  So, the idea of consolidating functions is not without merit.

The idea of that happening via Twitter/X, which is now a platform for little more than runny shit, is not gonna happen.

Kinda like how trains can absolutely be a good transit option....but trains run by Capital Metro will never, ever be a good transit option.

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1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

Only fair that Twitter was destroyed by its worst poster.

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Here's the thing about the "everything app" -- there's something to that concept. 

I saw something the other day about how he views everything as if he had just read the Cliffs Notes version. I don’t like that analogy because had he actually read the Cliffs Notes on the stuff he talks about, he’d understand why he gets mocked when he talks about free speech or social media or advertising, because it seems like he doesn’t understand those concepts.  

The same applies to the everything app. He wants Twitter to be like the social media apps in Asia where people can do shopping, emailing, watching videos, listening to music, texting, banking, web browsing, etc. all through just one app, and yet he still doesn’t understand why those apps are the way they are in Asia and why they are widely used, and why they never caught on here.  In a lot of cases, the everything apps are popular because of limitations we don’t necessarily have here (bandwidth, data allowances, storage, computing power of the device, connectivity, etc.) .

Yes, the “theres an app for that” culture is annoying as hell, but most of us find core apps (banking, email, web browsing, messaging, etc,) that we are happy with, and that may differ from everybody else, and because we can switch so easily between apps, it’s not much of an issue.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I saw something the other day about how he views everything as if he had just read the Cliffs Notes version. I don’t like that analogy because had he actually read the Cliffs Notes on the stuff he talks about, he’d understand why he gets mocked when he talks about free speech or social media or advertising, because it seems like he doesn’t understand those concepts.  

The same applies to the everything app. He wants Twitter to be like the social media apps in Asia where people can do shopping, emailing, watching videos, listening to music, texting, banking, web browsing, etc. all through just one app, and yet he still doesn’t understand why those apps are the way they are in Asia and why they are widely used, and why they never caught on here.  In a lot of cases, the everything apps are popular because of limitations we don’t necessarily have here (bandwidth, data allowances, storage, computing power of the device, connectivity, etc.) .

Yes, the “theres an app for that” culture is annoying as hell, but most of us find core apps (banking, email, web browsing, messaging, etc,) that we are happy with, and that may differ from everybody else, and because we can switch so easily between apps, it’s not much of an issue.

Good follow up.

I heard a good piece on NPR the other day about streaming services, and it got me thinking about how it applies to apps as well.  The point of the piece was that we've actually reached a point where there are too many streaming services to keep up with, and the very "problem" they were supposed to solve....they have now created (you can spend as much or more than an old cable bill to have the same amount of programming options, and you now HAVE to do so if you want certain key things).  The expert who was talking posited that in the coming years, we'll see failure of streaming services, and consolidation, so that the services cater to particular markets (e.g., Starz is geared more towards women consumers).

I'm not sure how "I have 100 apps on my phone" matches up to this exactly, but I can see retailers and such going in on a "master app," kind of like how restaurants have (Opentable and Resy are the dominant reservation platforms -- each restaurant doesn't have their own).  But I am confident that master app won't be X/Twitter.  It has too much baggage.

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13 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

Elmo understands free speech about as well as we think he does.  As in, "not at all."

Fun fact: now X gets the pleasure of paying the defendants' attorneys fees, per the California anti-SLAPP statute.  I expect those will be presented and decided at a subsequent hearing (I think they can be awarded in a Fed Ct. action, I saw that they have been awarded in other Ca Fed Ct. actions).

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54 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Free Speech only means Amplified White Supremacist Speech.

Well, really, his idiocy on "free speech" is pretty close to that of the moron classes.  They think that "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" means "freedom from consequences."  That is, they think they can post nazi, racist, trash shit, and it's a violation of their "free speech" for someone to say 'hey, account XYZ looks to be a racist, trash account -- see this shit they posted."

It's the lowest-grade moron approach to "free speech," so of course that's the approach Elmo takes.  Because - and this can't be stated enough - he's actually not that smart.

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What could possibly go wrong.

 

https://electrek.co/2024/03/25/elon-musk-mandates-tesla-install-demo-full-self-driving-beta-every-new-delivery/

 

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Elon Musk has mandated Tesla employees to install and demo Full Self-Driving Beta for every customer taking delivery in North America.

Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta is a level 2 Advanced Driver Assistance System (ADAS) that automates all aspects of driving on city streets and highways, but it requires the driver’s attention at all times – hence why it is still only a level 2 system despite its name.

Tesla’s goal is to improve the system until it can eventually remove the requirement to have the driver’s attention, making it a true self-driving system.

 

 

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The automaker is currently rolling out version 12 of its FSD Beta system. which has been touted has a major step forward for the system by powering vehicle controls with neural nets.

Tesla sells its Full Self-Driving package for $12,000 or a $200 a month subscription.

The automaker has never revealed the take rate of the package, but some data would point to a lower than 20% take rate in North America. It is likely much lower globally as other markets don’t have access to FSD Beta.

In order to boost the take rate, Elon Musk has informed Tesla employees this morning to install the FSD Beta software on all new cars being delivered and give short test drives to the new buyers.

The CEO wrote in an email to employees:

 

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Going forward, it is mandatory in North America to install and activate FSD V12.3.1 and take customers on a short test ride before handing over the car.

Musk says that he wants more people to realize “FSD actually works”:

Almost no one actually realizes how well (supervised) FSD actually works.

 

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Over the years, Tesla has continuously cut down on the tasks related to delivering vehicles as it often becomes a bottleneck in the automaker’s operations.

It is not rare these days to take delivery of a Tesla vehicle in minutes and Tesla employees would refer you to videos available on the car’s center display in order to inform the new owners of any functionality inside the vehicle.

Requiring a demo drive with every new delivery is going to greatly increase the delivery workload at Tesla stores and delivery centers.

The CEO seems aware as he finished his email on this note:

I know this will slow down the delivery process, but it is nonetheless a hard requirement.

The new initiative also matches Tesla’s referral program incentives. If a new buyer buys a Tesla with a referral code, they get 3 months of free Full Self-Driving package.

 

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16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Elmo wants to make Twitter the new AOL, and take us back to the days of walled gardens.

But wait......hear me out.....all Twitter posts that discuss a third-party article or source will have a special code embedded that can take you to that article/source.  That way, Twitter will be your ONE STOP FOR ALL INFORMATION!  No, you can't "click on it," Twitter has disabled that feature.  Instead, Twitter has come up with a cool device that you physically scan over your screen, and it will take you to the article.....

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GENIUS!

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Instead, Twitter has come up with a cool device that you physically scan over your screen, and it will take you to the article.....

I had one of those CueCats and used it for a few years to catalog books, CDs, DVDs, etc.

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incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

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But look no further than comments Buterin made just days ago at ETH Taipei on the subject to get your answer: the crypto developer finds the people on Twitter (Musk included?) flat-out irritating. 

Twitter is the place where all the people are, but it's also the place where all the really annoying people are,” Buterin said when asked about his decreasing reliance on the social network.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, NoName said:

incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

 

I find Twitter outside of sports is just a dog shit place since Elon took over. The pay for check mark has been detrimental to coverage and such. Gives too many people priority on subjects to push dog shit narratives. 

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9 hours ago, F250 said:

I saw a Cybertruck in the wild for the first time today. It really is underwhelming. The body was really dull looking. It looked like a DeLorean with a low T count.

Saw a wrapped black one today... looks just as putrid except the wrap makes it look plastic.  It is awful.

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Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, NoName said:

incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

 

 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I find Twitter outside of sports is just a dog shit place since Elon took over. The pay for check mark has been detrimental to coverage and such. Gives too many people priority on subjects to push dog shit narratives. 

These.  Imagine a bar or club that you like to go to.  One of the primary reasons is "I like the crowd."  Whether it's pretty girls you're looking for, or real sports fans, or whatever the vibe of said place is, "the crowd" is a big part of the appeal.  Now, think of places over your life that either always had or changed to having a shitty crowd.  A crowd of assholes and douchebags and such.  "Hey Brisket, you wanna go to the Twitter bar tonight?"  "What, the bar that's full of assholes yelling about random insane shit, other assholes trying to pick fights, and a bunch of other assholes actively selling Amway and gummies?  Yeah....no thanks."

Such sites are not their software.  They are not their features.  They are the community of users.  Lose that community?  You've lost the site.  Ask the owner of some Eskimo Huts.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

These.  Imagine a bar or club that you like to go to.  One of the primary reasons is "I like the crowd."  Whether it's pretty girls you're looking for, or real sports fans, or whatever the vibe of said place is, "the crowd" is a big part of the appeal.  Now, think of places over your life that either always had or changed to having a shitty crowd.  A crowd of assholes and douchebags and such.  "Hey Brisket, you wanna go to the Twitter bar tonight?"  "What, the bar that's full of assholes yelling about random insane shit, other assholes trying to pick fights, and a bunch of other assholes actively selling Amway and gummies?  Yeah....no thanks."

Such sites are not their software.  They are not their features.  They are the community of users.  Lose that community?  You've lost the site.  Ask the owner of some Eskimo Huts.

I should also add in that the bots and porn bots are way worse since then as well too.

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48 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

I genuinely hope that Tesla gets FSD done right, and it becomes standard on most vehicles. I really think that within our lifetimes that we could see a dramatic reduction in traffic fatalities. 

With that said, I would not put myself or my family in a FSD vehicle from Tesla yet. I'm glad you're beta testing it, but it has a ways to go before people like me feel comfortable with it. 

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I still have a major problem with a vision only driving model. There is not enough data to safely navigate around other independent agents 

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

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Just now, HookEm said:

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

Humans have a vision only driving model....and a hellacious processor running all kinds of soft inputs behind it.  E.g., I make driving decisions based on head movement and eye direction of other drivers (that dude is turning his head, he's about to change lanes).  FSD of ANY sort can't do that.

And practically speaking, humans are going to expect robots to drive MUCH better than humans.  "Just the same as humans" won't pass muster in the market, because human drivers kill a shitload of people.  If we turn the job over to robots and they kill the same amount of people....we'll start killing robots in a rage.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Humans have a vision only driving model....and a hellacious processor running all kinds of soft inputs behind it.  E.g., I make driving decisions based on head movement and eye direction of other drivers (that dude is turning his head, he's about to change lanes).  FSD of ANY sort can't do that.

And practically speaking, humans are going to expect robots to drive MUCH better than humans.  "Just the same as humans" won't pass muster in the market, because human drivers kill a shitload of people.  If we turn the job over to robots and they kill the same amount of people....we'll start killing robots in a rage.

I don't disagree that humans use quite a bit more than vision only while operating a vehicle.  There's some intuition and experience that contributes to the decision making of a human driver, but let's not pretend that we as humans drive with perfect information and understanding of what other drivers around us are doing, or that that information can't be synthesized from other data.  

Just this morning, the car reacted beautifully to a driver who quickly changed lanes in front of me.  I saw what was happening, and before I could react, the car was already taking appropriate action. 

The current FSD version no longer relies on 300K+ lines of C++ code and is based on AI that has "learned to drive" by observing countless hours of safe human drivers.  A lot of the intuition that we gained through years of individual driving experience has now been duplicated in the training of this AI model.  Not only that, but the AI has orders of magnitude more driving "experience" to draw from than the average human.  It also has constant 360 degree visual input to feed this model.  A lot of things that we intuit based on experience might be able be replaced by actual visual data and better-than-human response times.

I'm hedging a bit, because vision-only with AI could end up being a dead end, but my initial experience is very positive.

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19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'm hedging a bit, because vision-only with AI could end up being a dead end, but my initial experience is very positive.

you are going to have to believe me and everyone else here - vision only is a dead end. not enough inputs. there is a reason that every other company on the planet going down this direction is going down it with multiple inputs not vision only.

Tesla literally cannot hit Level 5 Self Driving with their current setup. they can call it whatever they want, but it is not possible from a technical standpoint.

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Any good engineering that takes place at SpaceX, Tesla, or Neurolink, happens in spite of, and not because of, Musk.

One could argue that the less time Musk has to bother the engineers, the better. In that limited sense, it's a good thing Musk spends so much time vying for the adulation of incels online.

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52 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

Just this morning, the car reacted beautifully to a driver who quickly changed lanes in front of me.  I saw what was happening, and before I could react, the car was already taking appropriate action. 

 

sounds very useful for you and wives everywhere 

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4 hours ago, hornian said:

With that said, I would not put myself or my family in a FSD vehicle from Tesla yet. I'm glad you're beta testing it, but it has a ways to go before people like me feel comfortable with it. 

I’d prefer it not be beta tested on roads with people on or around them. 

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I’d prefer it not be beta tested on roads with people on or around them. 

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

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