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5 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do the white people not still run the government of South Africa?

Well ironically for the first time since Mandela White South Africans are back in government as the Democratic Alliance is in coalition with the ANC. So White South Africans have several Cabinet Ministries right now.

But I guess that is insufficient to prevent Trump from attacking South Africa for racial discrimination.

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Watched part of a fascinating round table on CNN during which the guests candidly discussed Donald Trump’s in your face, unapologetic racism. The experience was both refreshing and disturbing because those on the panel dropped any pretense of trying to explain away Trump’s racist motives in this initiative. The disturbing part was just how normal it sounded.

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5 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Most people see this as brazen racism right? I know the cult doesn’t see it, but normal Americans have to

I hate to have to point this out to you but normal Americans are racist cultists.

 

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4 hours ago, royiv said:

It’s not even a blip on the radar screen for the vast majority of Americans. I bet if you surveyed 100 Americans the number that would have even the tiniest amount of familiarity with this event would be in the single digits.

Yup, wasn't in the algorithm for them.

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1 minute ago, Satchel said:

Watched part of a fascinating round table on CNN during which the guests candidly discussed Donald Trump’s in your face, unapologetic racism. The experience was both refreshing and disturbing because those on the panel dropped any pretense of trying to explain away Trump’s racist motives in this initiative. The disturbing part was just how normal it sounded.

That sounds like how some of us talk about our racist parents, siblings, cousins, in-laws, acquaintances, grandparents, etc. around here. The shitty thing is that it *is* normal, but that's the reality.

I was in complete denial about how prevalent racism is in white society before TFG got elected, but there's no other way to explain his appeal to large swaths of Americans.

I don't have cable, but I'm happy to hear they're bringing it up openly.  Afyer all, sunshine is the best disinfectant. 

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6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Afyer all, sunshine is the best disinfectant. 

I thought it was bleach injected directly into the veins.

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6 hours ago, CTC2 said:

Was not surprised to read they were all coming to Texas. 

Texas.

The South Africa of America.

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

That sounds like how some of us talk about our racist parents, siblings, cousins, in-laws, acquaintances, grandparents, etc. around here. The shitty thing is that it *is* normal, but that's the reality.

I was in complete denial about how prevalent racism is in white society before TFG got elected, but there's no other way to explain his appeal to large swaths of Americans.

I don't have cable, but I'm happy to hear they're bringing it up openly.  Afyer all, sunshine is the best disinfectant. 

To hear them admit their preference for white people who are a better cultural fit than say, the Afghans who we’re turning our backs on, was shocking in just how clear they are about their immigration plans going forward.

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37 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

Which again just proves what's been undoubtedly true since no later than 1973:

When the US government is talking about "antisemitism," that's just code for "opposition to Israeli foreign policy, especially in the Occupied Territories." That's all it's ever been.

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7 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Which again just proves what's been undoubtedly true since no later than 1973:

When the US government is talking about "antisemitism," that's just code for "opposition to Israeli foreign policy, especially in the Occupied Territories." That's all it's ever been.

100%.

"Jews are evil, untrustworthy, and should not be allowed to hold any government position in America." = totally fine.

"Maybe the state of Israel shouldn't engage in complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the Levant." = ANTISEMITISM!

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12 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Which again just proves what's been undoubtedly true since no later than 1973:

When the US government is talking about "antisemitism," that's just code for "opposition to Israeli foreign policy, especially in the Occupied Territories." That's all it's ever been.

And they don’t even care about that. They just want their constituents to think Sky Jesus has a good landing spot because every generation of Christians since 33 AD has believed they were the ones that would see the second coming. They know it is bull shit but they need the votes.  

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

100%.

"Jews are evil, untrustworthy, and should not be allowed to hold any government position in America." = totally fine.

"Maybe the state of Israel shouldn't engage in complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the Levant." = ANTISEMITISM!

And even the smarter apologists engage in that shit eventually.

In fact, since no one else has claimed it, I'll take credit for naming a mirror image of Godwin's Law

Hpslugga's Law:

As a discussion regarding Israeli foreign policy goes on, the temptation to accuse the opposition of antisemitism increases, particularly when logical arguments are dwindling. 

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20 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Which again just proves what's been undoubtedly true since no later than 1973:

When the US government is talking about "antisemitism," that's just code for "opposition to Israeli foreign policy, especially in the Occupied Territories." That's all it's ever been.

I would do a victory lap around all the dipshits on this board that constantly shed crocodile tears about fake ass, bullshit "antisemitism" in the Israel thread, but the reality is this sucks for everyone so it's a pyrrhic vindication at best.

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2 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

Here is another story of a group of persecuted individuals that the Trump Administration allowed into the US - this group is family members of the kingpin drug lord, these people aren't white, but I bet they paid a lot to be allowed into the country.

Were 17 members of El Chapo's family escorted into U.S. from Mexico? - Los Angeles Times

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17 members of a cartel kingpin’s family were escorted into California from Mexico. Why?

 

Mexican newspapers on display at a newsstand, near a passerby looking at his phone

The capture of reputed cartel leader Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada García made front-page news in Mexico City in July 2024. 
(Rodrigo Oropeza / AFP/Getty Images)
By Patrick J. McDonnellForeign Correspondent 
Published May 13, 2025 Updated May 14, 2025 12:52 PM PT
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  • Mexico’s security chief confirmed reports that relatives of drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán were allowed to enter San Diego.
  • Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum complained that U.S. authorities had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts about the operation.

MEXICO CITY — Key pillars of the Trump administration’s policy toward Mexico involve large-scale deportations and a crackdown on cartels.

But reports in the Mexican media suggest that U.S. authorities recently orchestrated the secret, cross-border move of at least 17 relatives of Mexico’s most notorious drug kingpin — Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, co-founder of the Sinaloa cartel — to California.

On Wednesday, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, clearly frustrated, said U.S. authorities had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts of what appeared to be a highly choreographed operation by Washington to transport the drug lord’s extended family across the border from Tijuana to San Diego.

“We are doing our work” to fight drug trafficking, Sheinbaum said. “The issue is: What information is out there and how do they [U.S. officials] explain this? They have to give information.”

Various social media sites have circulated images purporting to show El Chapo’s kin lugging rolling suitcases as they waited to enter the United States last week at the San Ysidro border crossing connecting Tijuana and San Diego.

 

In a radio interview Tuesday, Omar García Harfuch, Mexico’s security chief, confirmed that the move took place.

He characterized the transfer of El Chapo’s relatives as part of a “negotiation” between the U.S. Justice Department and representatives of one of El Chapo’s sons, Ovidio Guzmán López, who faces drug smuggling and other charges in federal court in Chicago.

 

FILE - This frame grab from video, provided by the Mexican government, shows Ovidio Guzman Lopez being detained in Culiacan, Mexico, Oct. 17, 2019. Ovidio's brothers, Archivaldo Guzmán Salazar and Jesus Alfredo Guzmán Salazar, are the lead defendants among 23 associates charged with running a criminal enterprise, fentanyl trafficking, among other things, in a New York indictment unsealed April 14, 2023 in Manhattan, while Ovidio, alias “the Mouse,” is facing similar charges in another indictment in the same district. Another brother, Joaquín Guzmán López, is charged in the Northern District of Illinois. (CEPROPIE via AP File)

Guzmán López was initially arrested in a 2019 military raid that sparked gun battles paralyzing the city of Culiacán, prompting then-President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to order him freed in a bid to end the violence. He was rearrested in 2023 in a second bloody operation that left at least 29 dead, including 10 Mexican soldiers. Mexico extradited him to the United States in September 2023 to face drug trafficking charges.

 

Guzmán López, 35, known as El Ratón (“The mouse”), plans to change his not guilty plea to guilty, according to court papers, but the terms of his potential plea deal remain publicly unknown. A court hearing is set for July 9 in federal court in Chicago.

“As we saw in the news, Ovidio begins a negotiation with the Department of Justice of the United States and it’s evident that, [with] his family going to the United States, it’s because of that negotiation,” García Harfuch told Mexico’s Radio Formula.

The current whereabouts of the El Chapo relatives could not be determined. It was unclear whether they were under some form of protective custody.

In Mexico, security experts say, El Chapo’s relatives could be vulnerable to the violence associated with a civil war raging within the Sinaloa cartel.

The case against Guzmán López is part of a wide-ranging U.S. effort to take down the Sinaloa gang, which is considered Mexico’s most extensive criminal organization. The Sinaloa cartel is one of six in Mexico that the Trump administration has designated as foreign terrorist organizations.

There has been speculation in Mexico that, in exchange for a reduced prison term and other concessions, Guzmán López could agree to testify for the government in drug cases. Such “cooperation” agreements, experts say, routinely include protection for the relatives of potential witnesses.

 
 

FILE - In this Feb. 22, 2014 file photo, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the head of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel, is escorted to a helicopter in Mexico City following his capture in the beach resort town of Mazatlan, Mexico. Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said on Wednesday, Jan. 18 2023 that the government will analyze El Chapo's request to be returned to Mexico to carry out his life prison sentence. (AP Photo/Eduardo Verdugo, File)

 

The Justice Department has not explained why Mexico apparently was not notified of the operation to move El Chapo’s extended family across the border. It is unclear whether the decision was an oversight or a deliberate omission out of fear that news of the move would be leaked to criminal elements in Mexico.

A Justice Department spokeswoman, Nicole Navas, declined to comment. Guzmán Lopez’s New York-based attorney, Jeffrey Lichtman, did not return messages.

El Chapo, who was convicted in 2019 of running a vast drug network, is serving a life sentence at a “supermax” prison in Colorado.

The accounts about El Chapo’s relatives entering San Diego originated with Luis Chaparro, a Mexican journalist who specializes in stories about Mexico’s drug world.

On Monday, citing “sources,” Chaparro reported on his YouTube channel that 17 of El Chapo’s relatives — including his ex-wife, various nephews and nieces, a grandson, a daughter and a son-in-law — entered U.S. territory in San Ysidro around midday May 9 and were met by FBI agents. They carried more than $70,000 in cash, reported Chaparro, who said at least one sniper watched over the group as they turned themselves in to U.S. authorities.

Among the group was Griselda López, El Chapo’s former wife and the mother of Ovidio and his elder brother, Joaquín Guzmán López, who is also in U.S. custody facing drug charges.

There has been widespread speculation in the Mexican press that the two jailed brothers may seek a plea deal and possibly agree to testify against Ismael Zambada García, a co-founder, with El Chapo, of the notorious Sinaloa cartel.

 

Un miembro de la Guardia Nacional vigila una carretera cerca de donde yace un cadáver en Culiacán, Sinaloa, en el norte de México, el sábado 21 de septiembre de 2024. (AP Foto/Eduardo Verdugo)

Zambada has said he was kidnapped by Joaquín Guzmán López in the summer and flown into the custody of U.S. agents outside El Paso. Mexican authorities say they too were blindsided by that sensational operation, which Mexican authorities say was probably orchestrated by U.S. agents. Zambada is reportedly in plea negotiations with U.S. authorities to avoid a potential death penalty.

His arrest has sparked a bloody turf war splitting the Sinaloa cartel. Backers of Zambada are fighting supporters of El Chapo’s sons, known as Los Chapitos, for control of the notorious organization. Two of El Chapo’s other sons are both fugitives who have remained in Mexico and avoided arrest while assuming their father’s legacy of running the cartel, authorities say.

Times staff writer Keegan Hamilton in Los Angeles and special correspondents Cecilia Sánchez Vidal and Liliana Nieto del Río in Mexico City contributed to this report.

 

posted this in the wrong (ICE) thread - so I am quoting it here



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